God endorsed Holocaust, says Bush pal

[trof]

Meet Chung Hwan Kwak, the number two man to the Reverend Moon, Washington Times owner. Mr. Kwak is the corporate official directly in charge of the conservative paper.
(Screen capture photo of George, Laura and Kwak - can't copy and paste)
In 2003, echoing his master's anti-Semitic teachings, Kwak told an audience that Hitler carried out the Holocaust with "God's permission."

"Judaism committed a historical sin in front of Jesus, so Jewish people experienced the Holocaust under Hitler. Without God's permission, would it really have been possible for Hitler to do such a massacre?"

Chilling video at link:
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/4/15/12450/1945

[Virginia Dare]

1. A good talking point for he and Papal Father today...n/t

[Cerridwen]

2. You know, if there is a God, you'd think he'd get better

spokespeople for His cause(s). Cuz I gotta tell ya, some of His PR people really suck!

[SammyWinstonJack]

12. No kidding!

:thumbsup:

[Dhalgren]

3. Well, technically, if you believe in an all-powerful god, then

that god did at least permit the Holocaust to take place - because this all-powerful god could have stopped it, right? But he didn't, so he at the very least allowed it to happen. It can also be argued that if "god's will be done", then everything that happens is, in fact, god's will. By that measure, then, the Holocaust was the "will of god". I would think that most christians would agree with this...

[KharmaTrain]

4. Some Jews Would As Well

I once posed that exact same question you posed to a Rabbi. Growing up Jewish in the shadow of the Holocoust, that was a big question I had in my "formative" years. Most times I was given the "how dare you" look, but one once said that it was a "test" of the resolve of the Jewish people...a cleansing of the faith...and without it the modern nation of Israel came about. In his view without the Holocoust, there would have been no Israel. Bottom line is anyone can spin anything to justify anything.

[TechBear_Seattle]

5. "So Jewish people experienced the Holocaust under Hitler"

About 1900 years AFTER the fact. That is, what, 30 generations? Is God really that lazy or is he just a sadistic asswipe?

[trotsky]

6. He's a busy guy.

Got a lot of kids to give birth defects to, sports teams to help win championships, etc., etc.

[TechBear_Seattle]

8. Lazy people ALWAYS claim they are busy

But, honestly: When was the last time God did an honest day's work? Have you ever seen him doing anything, or does He just take credit for the work of others?

[HughBeaumont]

9. No, just the Freeper omnipotence.

Every other God is purposeful and filled with well-meaning guidance. The Freeper Omnipotence is kind of like the "tough love" abusive dad who you don't realize sucks until it's too late.

Funny how the Freeper Omnipotence also dictates that it's in the best interest of humanity that white men rule everything no matter what and that's JUST the way it is now forever.

[JDPriestly]

14. You need to calculate that 30 generations bit again.

It's a lot more than that.

[TechBear_Seattle]

17. I sit corrected; it is more like 95 generations

1900 years, divided by an average of 20 years between generations (parents having their first child at the age of 20), gives 95. Wow, God is lazier (or more sadistic) than I thought!

[malaise]

7. Yeh and he also gave Bush permission

to slaughter Iraqis.

These people are beyond sick. They should be locked up in straight jackets. :puke:

[derby378]

10. Charles Manson: Hitler was a "tuned-in guy who levelled the karma of the Jews"

My brain hurts. Ow.

[DavidDvorkin]

11. There have long been Jews saying the same thing

I've heard the argument that the Holocaust was God's punishment of the German Jews for trying so hard to assimilate into Christian German society.

How that explains the murders of millions of non-assimilated Jews in Europe is a question I could never get answered.

[Smith_3]

13. The god of the old testament can be pretty indiscriminate in times.

Sometimes he just frags the hell out of someone for something somebody else did.

[B3Nut]

20. Like damning the entire human race

because 6000 years ago a rib-woman took advice from a talking snake. That's Original Sin in a nutshell...

Of course in some parts of the OT he says the children shouldn't be punished for the sins of the fathers, and in other parts he says they should. But the Bible is inerrant and totally free from contradictions....riiiiiiiiiight. And I'm a purple aardvark, how do you do!

[LeftishBrit]

15. Indeed - every religion has its fundie nutcases

But the Moonies are nothing BUT fundie nutcases.

[Indenturedebtor]

18. Yeah David

I've heard more than a few people say that the Jews did something to deserve this from the Germans, and from God, etc etc. It is true that in the vacuous mind of a religious nut it makes a certain sort of sense.

Of course lets not forget about all of the smaller Holocausts that occured througout European history - England, Spain, France, Russia, etc etc. Personally I like to chalk all of those up to the everflowing Jesuslove that surrounds us all. Jesuslove has done wonders for so many other peoples throughout the world. I take comfort in the fact that Jews are not alone in being targeted by the love and compassion of Christianity.

The Holocaust certainly did change Judaism forever though. Having grown up a reform Jew I have to tell you that my religious upbringing was FAR more about the philosophical and cultural traditions of Judaism than it ever was about God. Reform Jews I dare say lean more towards atheism than any firm belief in a guiding invisible friend. Most that I've talked to about the existence of god don't want to completely count out the possibility but they take a much more Kabbalistic approach to the question: where god IS the universe rather than being the guiding hand OF the universe. If that makes any sense... it's a little more complicated than that but it's VERY different from the god of Moses. :shrug:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

16. But he's not an "angry" black man so it doesn't count. nt

[Johonny]

19. But Ben Stein

says it was the Darwinian loving scientists that let Hitler kill the Jews? Was it God or Darwin that killed the Jews? These nuts can't even get their rants aligned.

[Winterblues]

21. Kind of throws a monkey wrench into the Free Will argument though doesn't it?

If man has free will then how could god have anything at all to do with anything man does? God can only do hurricanes and tidal waves and other "Acts of god" that kill countless people throughout the world...