Toby Keith...

[Bigmack]

supporting a Dem for Pres? I am NOT a CW fan, (and I sure as hell don't read the mag this came from) but this asshole's faux-patriotic posing has pissed me off for years. NOW he likes a Dem?... NOW?! ...Now that his poison has infected the gullible and under-educated? He's worse than that fucking Lee Greenwood..."... Proud to Be a Murikan... 'cause at least I know I'm Free!"... themesong for the Reagan Ripoff.

FUTK!...(Inside comment for you Dixie Chicks fans.)
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Surprise! Toby Keith Likes Clinton and Obama
By Eileen Finan
Originally posted Tuesday April 15, 2008

Despite Toby Keith's past public support of President George W. Bush and his famous post-Sept.11 song, "The Angry American (Courtesy of the Red White and Blue)," this year the country star says things have changed.

Keith, who in the past has said he's a Democrat but was unhappy with the party's candidates, now can support the current contenders for the nomination.

"I'm real happy that there are two candidates that people can get behind," he told PEOPLE at the CMT awards Monday. "I feel like there are two people now – with Hillary and the time she's spent," he said of the former first lady and current New York senator.

Of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, he said, "Obama looks like a great speaker and a great leader. And I think you can learn on your feet in there, so I don't hold people responsible for not having a whole bunch of political background in the House and Senate."

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20191564,00.html

[MoeHayNow]

1. Everybody's shedding their shrub-patriotism

But some people, like Toby Keith, will have a much harder time of it than others.

FUTK

[blm]

15. Yep - Keith can't ADMIT HIS judgment failed w/Bush so he needs to blame 2004 Dem candidates

.

[GDAEx2]

2. Is this the "Ford Truck Man"?

nt.

[Drunken Irishman]

5. It's the guy that wanted to put a boot up the arab's ass after 9-11.

[EOTE]

3. Somehow I think our party can do without the support of a person...

who thinks that shoving "a boot up their ass" is "the American way". It's amazing that with a person capable of only such simplistic thinking manages to keep his mullet so shiny and full of volume.

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. And I say we need all the votes we can get.

[EOTE]

16. Yes, NET votes, not GROSS votes.

If having the support of a slack-jawed, racist homophobe like TK turns off more voters than it attracts, that's a net loss of votes, not something we're looking for. His support for democrats makes him seem like slightly less of a fucking idiot. But still, what a fucking idiot.

[jhrobbins]

17. Exactly right - I have never been a TK fan, but let's not look a gift

horse in the mouth

[spanone]

4. hey a reformed TK is better than one that supports grandpa..

[Johnyawl]

6. Yeah, that's right! F*** Toby Keith! Cause we don't...

...need anyone converting to our side at this late date! If they haven't been with us all along, then F*** 'em! They should stay on the other side, we don't need 'em. That goes for all those G**D***** reagan democrats too!! And take the M********F****** DLC with you, we don't want them either. We don't want anybody in our party but the idealogical purists who were smart enough to see the truth 8 years ago!


idiots....

[Aristus]

19. Hey, JohnYawl!

:hi:

How's geniph? Haven't heard from you guys in a while...

[Nicole]

7. He should have stopped there but he didn't

But Keith is keeping an open mind about the election. "I think McCain is a great option too. I think we've got three great candidates running."

He thinks McCain is a great option?

I think Toby is just trying to win back some fans he lost.

[Kitty Herder]

8. FUTK!

That is all.

[Downtown Hound]

9. Dude's an idiot

And his music sucks. End of message.

[AlCzervik]

10. he's a band wagon jumper.

[yurbud]

23. that's probably the likeliest explanation--at least he has better timing than Joe Lieberman

who jumped on the GOP ship as it hit iceberg Bush.

[Jed Dilligan]

11. We don't need you. FUTK!

[nels25]

12. Pardon us Rural American rubes

who are bitter and annoyed with us Elitist democrats, while we show our disdain for something you like.

Come on folks, so some like TK, so what big hairy deal,

Is their some litmus test that must be passed in order to qualify to support a more positive and progressive agenda for this nation.

I want the tax changes that Chairman Rangel envisions passing next year, I support the ideas that Barney Frank has concerning banks and the credit markets.

There can be no doubt that either Barack or Hillary will be so far superior in or conduct of foreign affairs that the Bush disaster will be shown up for the utter joke and incompetence it is/was.

I liked the TK song "Who's your Daddy" or "What happens in Mexico" and yes I liked the Angry American also, does this make me anti progressive??

For crying out loud they are just songs/music.

I honestly believe that this is just the sort of thing that Barack was alluding to.

Some of us seem to come off as to good and know it all for the so called common man.

They should just shut up and let us oh so enlightened ones lead.

And we wonder why we lose at times.

And stating this does not make me any less a progressive and is not meant to be insulting to anyone.

It is however meant to have at least some consider that their is another side of the coin to the way that others live and the outlook at life that is not uber partisan, but that they know being patronized when they see it.

When it all is said and done we all get dressed in pretty much the same manner, and wish good things for our family and surrounding areas.

[Downtown Hound]

21. So now criticizing Toby Keith equates to putting down

rural Americans? I wasn't aware that rural America had made Toby Keith their prophet, and even if they have, I wasn't aware that we always need to treat them with kid gloves so their feelings don't get hurt. Who's really being condescending here? It's you that seems to think that rural Americans need to be coddled and protected against all criticism, which isn't really criticism against them at all. I happen to think that most of them would be grown up enough to realize that criticizing the bone-headed jingoism of a particular country music star doesn't amount to criticism of them directly. And if they happen to agree with that jingoism, well, then yes, I will criticize them. If they're big enough to want to invade a sovereign nation, they better be big enough to take some heat for doing so. Last I checked, rural Americans were supposed to pride themselves on independence, strength, and virility. They don't need to be coddled and protected.

As for Toby Keith, do you really think he did rural Americans or any Americans for that matter a favor by hopping on that "put a boot up your ass it's the American way" jingoistic bullshit? How many Americans from small towns bought that bullshit and went and enlisted in the Army, only to never come home again or come home with a few limbs missing? How many manufacturing jobs that are often the lifeblood of rural communities have been lost due to outsourcing by Bush-loving corporations while Toby Keith and others waved a flag in their face and told them everything was all right? We just need to get the terrorists and all will be well. While Bush was lying us into war, and Toby Keith was playing with photoshop putting Saddam and The Dixie Chicks together, rural America was being devastated with job loss, and meth labs have been popping up all over the countryside in case you haven't noticed. All those corporate executives that Bush calls his base made off with billions, and rural Americans are lucky if they can find a minimum wage paying job at Wal Mart.

I respect rural Americans enough to tell them the truth. They would do well to turn their backs on Toby Keith and all those other phony patriots who are just looking to make a buck off of their sentiments.

[nels25]

22. Oh I don't know

I enlisted USN and served 17 years (got a service connected disability for my efforts) and I come from a small town on the Illinois/Wisconsin border.

Maybe I am shallow and jingoistic but I believe that putting a boot up the ass of an enemy of the United States is the American way (17 years of active duty can do that to you).

Can you argue that had we not done so to Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan that we as a nation and the world as a whole would have been better off??


Tell me can you argue that many of the senior military officers that have become critics of our current Iraq policy should be ashamed of their service??

After all they trained and prepared with the understanding that if called on they would have to lead men in putting a boot up the ass of our enemies.

Do you think that Wesley Clark should be shamed for his service??

How about Colin Powell (and here I allude to his military, not SOS service)??

You can make a quite valid argument that when we do apply said boot that we should maybe think it through (absent being sucker punched, IE Pearl Harbor, and 9/11) as Vietnam and the current Iraq mess illustrate.

But what does enjoying Toby Keith's music have to do with out sourcing jobs, or the shrinking of the manufacturing base?? My son likes some of his music also and this is not going to have any impact on the loss of manufacturing jobs in SE Wisconsin

Maybe I am wrong but there is merit to the notion of protecting this nation (even though God knows Bush went after it all wrong in Iraq, and Afghanistan, though our initial use of force against the Talaban was warranted) because you may not like to admit it but there are those in the world that mean to do us harm, and can not be reasoned with, no matter how much we would wish other wise.

So we can bask in the moral superiority that we see ourselves occupying (and in so doing confirm the stereo type to some that we are elitist,) or God forbid understand that their are others that when it is all said and done want to see the same things happen that we do, but also understand that a little humility goes along way.

You see I do not claim to be always right or right even part of the time, but I do have a reasonable understanding of right and wrong and I have a passion for this nation to progress and help not hinder the world as a whole.

I think we can obtain this by a lot more attempting to bridge gaps when and where ever it be possible.


This more than any other aspect is why I am so proud to support Barack Obama for president he understands this.

Thank you, and please take no offense.

As a side note I have personally seen what hate can do to a person if they are not able to deal with it (and I am not saying that you hate) and trust me it can be pretty gruesome. It can kill, I have seen it with my own baby blues.

[Downtown Hound]

24. Well see, I'm one of those paranoid wacky people

that think Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9-11, and that our own government was behind it all along. Feel free to insert whatever derogatory adjective you want; kook, conspiracy nut, freak, whatever. But in a nutshell, here's what I believe, or rather don't believe:

I don't buy that when the Iraq War was planned well in advance of 9-11, the event that they needed to make it happen just conveniently came out of the sky, literally, nine months after Bush was selected by the Supreme Court to be our president. What had Bush done in that amount of time? He got his tax cuts for the rich passed, and he pretty much spent the rest of his time on vacation, like he was waiting for something to happen, something that would define his presidency.

I don't buy that when it was well known that planes had been hijacked and even after one had already crashed into the World Trade Center, no attempt was made to stop the others from penetrating New York's airspace or evacuate the second tower.

I don't buy that a plane as big as a 757 made that tiny little hole in the Pentagon and nothing else.

I don't buy that out of the over one hundred security cameras on the Pentagon, the only video they've ever released on the "plane" hitting the Pentagon is a blurry three frame shot where you can see absolutely nothing. There was also a security camera in a gas station across the way that filmed the whole thing, only the tape has been confiscated by the FBI and never released. If they really wanted to end this controversy, why not just release that other footage and shut people like me up? Unless the footage shows something else entirely.

I don't buy that any president, even one as dumb as Bush, would simply sit there and read My Pet Goat while the nation was under attack.

I don't buy that a few Arab terrorists with minimal flight experience could have piloted those planes to hit those buildings like they supposedly did.

I don't buy that Mohamed Atta's passport mysteriously survived the explosion and the collapse of the towers, which it supposedly did.

I don't buy that a president with as much ties to oil as Bush has, would suddenly, magically just get what he wanted: an excuse to invade all unfriendly nations of the Middle East. That he would just be handed the opportunity to do so by sheer luck. Remember that Bush didn't want to stop at Iraq. They initially wanted to move on Syria and Iran as well, and I remember talk of them doing so after the initial invasion had ended and everybody was saying that Bush had a major victory. The insurgency put a damper on those plans, but they definitely were on the table. Now, take a look at the map. Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria. Who did we pick to control Afghanistan? Hamid Karzai, a former Unocal oil man. Put in a pipeline going from Afghanistan all the way through Syria to the Mediterranean, and all that oil is ours. Enough oil to ensure America's world domination for the next century and make Bush and his cronies billions of dollars. And the incident that they needed to make it happen just happened to fall into Bush's lap? No, I don't buy it. Not for one minute.

So if I'm wrong, then Bush is merely a big fucking moron who attacked the wrong country, and in doing so he made Al Queda stronger, weakened our country domestically and internationally, and killed over a million innocent people. If I'm right, then Bush is responsible for one of the greatest lies and acts of murder ever inflicted on the people of this country and the world. Either way, the man is a monster, and monsters need to have a boot up their ass as you and Toby Keith say. You ask me what does Toby Keith have to do with jobs being outsourced? The answer is, everything. Patriotism and nationalism have always been used by tyrants to advance their agenda. They appeal to the poor and the dispossessed, and then use their fear to get them to wreak havoc for them. That's what Hitler did, and that's what Bush does. He takes away people's jobs and then gives them a gun and tells them that by killing these people over here, your life will be what it once was. So when Toby Keith jumps on that bandwagon, then he's just as guilty for making that happen.

Should you be ashamed of your service? I'm not your judge, nor do I wish to be. The easy answer would be to say no, and if you never participated in an unjust war, I would say no. Should a soldier who fought in this war be ashamed? Again, I'm not their judge, but all I know is, I would be. I'd go to jail for the rest of my life before I ever took up arms against a people that have never done me wrong, but that's just me. I understand they're following orders, but in my mind, that doesn't excuse everything. You're a human being with free will before you're anything else, and you always have a choice. What's the penalty for soldiers refusing to fight in Iraq? Six months in jail if I recall right. Six months. Is an Iraqi life worth less to you than six months in a cage? To me, no. I'd do a lot longer than six months if that's what it took. And if the U.S. Government ever said to me, either I go to Iraq and fight or I'll be executed, I would definitely take up arms, AGAINST THEM. They think the Iraqis make effective insurgents, just wait till they got a load of all of us.

I want to make it clear that I don't hate our troops. Some of my best friends in life have been military veterans. One of my best friends from high school fought in Iraq. I love them, so much that I don't want to see them die in vain. But I don't give them a blanket pass either. The willingness to put yourself in danger doesn't justify destroying another nation for no reason. The Iraqi people never asked for, nor deserve, to be the pissing ground where Americans go to prove their manhood or their patriotism. Do you think that the Iraqi family that had a stray bomb blow up their husband or wife or daughter or son really gives a flying fuck if you fought gallantly or bravely and made your country proud? All things considered, I think they'd probably rather you didn't.

Me? I'm a human being before I'm an American, and if there's anything really noble in the American ideal, it's that it doesn't matter what your skin color is, how tall you are, what your religion is, or whether or not you're male of female, your life has value and you can make something of it, and no one has the right to take that away from you. And I think that ideal applies to Iraqis as well, and no amount of anyone shoving a flag in my face and lecturing me about patriotism as Toby Keith and countless others have done is going to change that. That's my patriotism. I'm a patriotic human. In so far as America reflects those ideals, then I'll always stand behind her. In so far as she strays from those values, I'll dedicate my life to steering her back in the right direction. And sometimes, that means saying no to those who dangle that flag in front of me while at the same time not really understanding what it means. And that is what Toby Keith represents to me. If you like his music, then that's okay. But I encourage you to reject that kind of patriotism. And I encourage to not imply that that type of thinking is what small-town America is all about.

[lonestarnot]

14. Just a lunkhead dee dee deer with his finger in the air. Fuck him.

[tom_paine]

18. "Toby Keith doesn't want to be fed. Toby Keith needs to hunt."

Anyone ever see that episode of Family Guy, a riff on Jurassic park?

Fucking hysterical. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[LTR]

20. Hey, I say welcome aboard!

I am of the firm belief that people can change.

If this means TK is resolving his past lunacy, I say more power to him.

Welcome to the party!