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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:49 PM
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PHOTO: confederate flag behind pope in all white
On the pope's first visit to the US, the confederate flag makes him look like a grand wizard who took off his hood to wave to the crowd.

I'm no fan of catholicism, but this is unnecessary.

Couldn't someone at the White House have seen this gaffe coming, and put that piece of embarrassing shit away for one day?

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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:50 PM
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1. It looks like it's part of Georgia's state flag.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 01:54 PM by DesertedRose
:shrug: Maybe Mississippi's flag? One of the southern states.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:55 PM
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3. Until 2001
The current flag doesn't have the Confederate flag depicted on it anymore. Maybe it's a local/county flag, though.
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:56 PM
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4. The Georgia State Flag has been updated as of 2003
and looks like this:



That's likely the Mississippi state flag, which looks like this:

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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:03 PM
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5. It would have to be hung upside down to be MS
Mystery!
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:58 PM
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6. No, we're seeing the reverse side of it. nt
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:39 PM
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10. "updated" -and it's still the fucking Confederate flag
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 03:55 PM by kenny blankenship
It's just not the "battle flag" made famous again during de-segregation.
The 1st "national flag" of the C.S.A., 1861-1863, aka "the stars and bars".

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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 01:52 PM
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2. Send it to Jon Stewart !!
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 02:58 PM
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7. Sure, so he can figure out in 2 seconds that it isn't the confederate flag. nt
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:26 PM
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8. Mississippi state flag
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:31 PM
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9. Down in KKKarl's Confederacy, they must love this pic = Bush with that flag!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:53 PM
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11. It tells you someting about their mentality that, like the neo-nazis, they
are proud of being losers beyond all help, devastation and ruin having been visited on their land by the winners.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 03:58 PM
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12. Oddly appropriate.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 03:59 PM by rateyes
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:13 PM
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13. I agree. An odd bit of symbolism that seems totally appropriate.
Bookmarking the photo.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:31 PM
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14. They censored the photo....
where he pulled his pointy white hat down over his face and poked eye holes in it.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:21 PM
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21. any state still flying confederate flag over state property has to give blacks 40 acres & a mule
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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:39 PM
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15. kkk lynched Catholics
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:41 PM
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16. Ratzinger was just a Hitler Youth - nothing compared to Bush. W's Grandpa was Hitler's Banker
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 04:58 PM by leveymg
Is this a great Aryan "boy scout" reunion picture, or what?

Prescott Bush was Hitler's American Banker, and the designated American liaison to the Third Reich, according to Harpers. See,"1934: The Plot Against America" by Scott Horton (Harper's Magazine)Jul 28, 2007 ... It appears that Bush was to have formed a key liaison for the group with the new German government. Prescott Bush, of course, ...
harpers.org/archive/2007/07/hbc-90000651

The Bush boys are the true Boys from Berlin.

George Herbert Walker was the real Party man, according to this: http://www.romm.org/...

with apologies to Cecil Adams


While there are no recorded incidents of them goose stepping or giving the "Heil Hitler" salute, the short answer to the question is yes. Both Bush's grandfather's palled around with sympathizers to the Nazi cause, with George Herbert Walker the worse of the two and grandfather Prescott Bush even worse as he dealt with Nazi Germany before and during WWII.

The Bushes don't like to talk about their past, and much of the early information comes from George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography by Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin. While the book's origins are suspect and the authors tend to go off on wild LaRouchian rants, the basic research has held up to scrutiny since business dealings and government actions are a matter of public record. Note: I don't have Cecil Adam's resources, staff or salary, and all sources are from the web.

George Herbert Walker married off his daughter to Prescott Bush. It was a good arrangement for both: Prescott married into money and financial connections; the Walkers rose in society and power. A standard trade-off. George Herbert Walker isn't listed as a member of the Skull and Bones Society at Yale, but future son-in-law Prescott is, and the son and grandson named after him are, as are the Bush's who were his grandson and great-grandson. Aside: The Skull and Bones Society itself has been the subject of much speculation especially about the Bushes, and the real story is as interesting, but an entirely different column.

In 1919, Missouri deal-maker Bert Walker became the president and CEO of the W.A. Harriman and co. bank, which became one of the largest companies in the world. In 1922, the Harriman company set up a branch in Berlin under the residency of George H. Walker. In 1924, the Harriman company spun off the Union Banking Corporation , also run by Bert. The UBC was established to send American capital to Germany to finance the reorganization of its industry under the Nazis. Their leading German partner was the notorious Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, who wrote a book admitting much of this called "I Paid Hitler." An article called Nazis In The Attic states boldly, "Walker was one of Hitler's most powerful financial supporters in the United States." and gives other details.

Samuel Prescott Bush, father to Prescott, was an Ohio manufacturer and close advisor to President Herbert Hoover. During WWI, Samuel was director of the facilities division of the US War Industries Board under Bernard Baruch. In 1920, Harriman and Bert Walker gain control of the German Hamburg-Amerika Line, said to be the world's largest private shipping line which had been confiscated by the US after the war . Still, while many of his business deals are with shady people who were more involved with the Nazis, Samuel himself wasn't a major player.

Prescott Bush was a major player. In addition to having ties with most of his father-in-laws friends (notably the Harrimans) and companies (notably the Union Banking Corporation), Bert hired Prescott to supervise the new Thyssen/Flish Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation and the Upper Silesian Coal and Steel Company. John Loftus, a former Justice Department prosecutor whose latest series of lectures is on The Truth About Terrorism, has published a number of books about the Nazis and WWII. The page on Loftus' site linked above is from a Clamor magazine article by Toby Rogers entitled Heir to the Holocaust and also says, "Prescott Bush became managing director of UBC and handled the day-to-day operations of the new German economic plan. Bush's shares in UBC peaked with Hitler's new German order. But while production rose, cronyism did as well." and "According to classified documents from Dutch intelligence and US government archives, President George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush made considerable profits off Auschwitz slave labor." Rogers says this information came from "A Dutch intelligence agent in 1941," before we were at war with Germany. While the companies were seized by the Germans during the war, claims Cecil, Rogers points out that Prescott was eventually paid $1.5 million for his interest in UBC after Thyssen died and the companies assets were unfrozen.

Dealing with Nazi Germany, and even financing Hitler, may have been ethically and morally repugnant, even at the time, but they weren't illegal until Hitler declared war on the US. Six days after Pearl Harbor, FDR signed the Trading With the Enemies Act. By then, most (though not all) of the companies that had been doing business with Hitler's war machine had stopped. But not Prescott Bush and the Union Banking Corporation. Writes Rogers, "Prescott Bush continued with business as usual, aiding the Nazi invasion of Europe and supplying resources for weaponry that would eventually be turned on American soldiers in combat against Germany." Citing the Tarpley book, this site goes on to say that on October 20, 1942, UBC assets in New York were seized under the act, and "On October 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the bank (in which Bush was a partner): the Holland-America Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation...U.S. forces landed under fire near Algiers on November 8, 1942; Nazi interests in the Silesian-American corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father-in-law, George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Trading with the Enemy Act, on Nov. 17, 1942."

Bush family apologists like to point out that Prescott only had one share of UBC, though how that came to be worth a million and a half is never explained. Prescott was one of seven directors, says a Boston Globe article , quoting a 1942 New York Herald Tribune article, "Hitler's Angel has 3 Million in the Bank". While "Hitler's Angel" refers to Thyssen, Prescott was worried about the association. No need to worry; he was appointed senator in 1950. Apologists also claim that Prescott was an unpaid director, out of courtesy to a client. That's not completely creditable for two reasons: First, it's hard to believe he would do anything for free. Second, being a director has certain responsibilities, legal and ethical, and one can't duck from them quite so easily, especially when your assets are being frozen during a war. It certainly doesn't relieve him of culpability.

What all this says about future generations of Bushes is problematic. George Herbert Walker Bush, called "Poppy" in the family, fought in World War II, but was sent to Pacific theater, presumably so he wouldn't shoot friends. George W. was born in his senator grandfather's state of Connecticut, but moved to Texas fairly early, though he hung out and was arrested for drunken driving in the family estate in Kennebunkport Maine. He doesn't talk much in public about his progenitors. Still, in today's climate of "you're either with us or against us," there's no question that George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush were against us.

End note: In the same week, defending the indefensible positions of George W. Bush has destroyed the credibility to Colin Powell and Cecil Adams. Proof that the terrorists have won.

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Update October, 2007. Since I posted this in early 2003, facts have been dug out of old records, the web has expanded and search engines have improved. Subsequent articles with similar conclusions include: How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power a Guardian article from 2004. Siege Heil: The Bush-Rove-Schwarzenegger Nazi Nexus and the Destabilization of California, a commondreams.org article from 2003. An excerpt from 2006's "The American Axis" by Max Wallace. Wikipedia's entry on Prescott Bush contains a section on "Nazi collaboration controversy", though the facts cited are not in question and the controversial claims involve Prescott being implicit with Nazi slave labor in Poland. More from above cite: Former Federal Prosecutor John Loftus confirms the Bush-Nazi scandal from 2003.

If you don't want to take my word for it, do your own research. In the nearly five years since I wrote this piece, no one has successfully refuted any of the points made here. Most don't even try, they just sling mud. Republicans are always soft on crime when it's theirs.


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Retrograde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:51 PM
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17. and that's Indiana on his right
where was this taken? It looks like they're in front of some collection of state flags.

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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:01 PM
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18. Somewhere in DC today.
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 05:04 PM by leveymg
Most likely the Rose Garden. Could also be the Hall of States, near Union Station.

That is the upper left corner of the Mississippi state flag. Oddly fitting, in any case.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:03 PM
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19. It's rather fitting for Pope L. Ron Benedict
eom
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:02 PM
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20. The Mafia Pope with the Terrorist pResident
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oneinok Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:23 PM
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22. Flag Picture
You know sometimes we really can't make this shit up
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bushmeister0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 04:26 PM
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23. At least it wasn't on his lapel!
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