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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:16 PM
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Seriously who the hell is the pope
and his entourage to decide who wears what colors in his presence? I heard a report that they're very upset that Pickles wore white since no one but royalty can wear white in his presence. Who the hell is he? Do they think we're living in feudal times.

Fuck all of them -the hosts and the guests. :puke:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:18 PM
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1. He's someone who likes his picture taken in front of Confederate flags...
... What's the problem? They only symbolize "white heritage" after all.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:19 PM
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3. Hmmmmmmmmmm
same as the feudal order I guess.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:19 PM
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2. Seriously? That's pretty funny
Coming from a man with a taste for red shoes, especially.

I'm no fan of this pope, that's for sure.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:24 PM
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7. how about the gold shoes?
this when people are going hungry. i've always been outraged by the vatican.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:31 PM
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11. Yes, me too. Since childhood.
It always bothered me to be forced to watch "mission movies" about people suffering from leprosy and why we ought to send them our pennies (ok, partly good so far, although small children shouldn't be scared into generosity), and then contrast that with the immense riches of the Vatican. I never could put the two together successfully. And yet, the people were supposed to support this lifestyle? Where was the leadership here - where was whatsoever you do in this equation?

That's part of why I'm now an Episcopalian, lol. That and the attitudes toward women, which also bothered me from an early age.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:21 PM
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4. Who is he? Sing his song:
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 04:21 PM by DFW
(To the tune of "When I Was a Lad" from HMS Pinafore, by Gilbert and Sullivan)

(and shame on you if you have to ask who were Gilbert and Sullivan)

When I was a lad back in Ger-ma-ny
I decided religion was the thing for me
I deserted from the Nazis and the Hitler Youth
And I found myself a calling that was far more couth
(And he found himself a calling that was far more couth!)
I learned the catechism so carefully
That now I am the ruler of the Holy See

(He learned the catechism so carefully
That now he is the ruler of the Holy See!)

I got in tight with John Paul Two,
Agreed with his conservative view,
He made me his closest confidant,
What more could a lowly humble Cardinal want?
(What more could a lowly humble Cardinal want?)
I blocked reform so effectively,
That now I am the ruler of the Holy See

(He blocked reform so effectively
That now he is the ruler of the Holy See!)

I travel the straight and narrow road
And forbid you to read the Da Vinci Code
I chose the name of Benedict
And subscribe to a dogma that is tight and strict.
(He subscribes to a dogma that is tight and strict!)
I’ll get you into heaven if pure you be,
For now I am the ruler of the Holy See

(He’ll get you into heaven if pure you be
For now he is the ruler of the Holy See!)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:23 PM
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5. Hahahahaha
:rofl: :rofl:
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-17-08 05:14 AM
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56. Try this one: not only did they record it, they did a video as well!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7dPISoH6Ok&mode=related&search=

You will never hear the "original" the same way ever again!
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:41 PM
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17. Sheer genius! Thank you...I'll have that tune in my head all night, now
but in a GOOD way.

:hi:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:55 PM
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23. Conjures up memories of my dad
He loved HMS Pinafore. Excellent indeed. :D
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:00 PM
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29. Thank , thank you! (bowing)
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 05:02 PM by DFW
I actually had some friends (The Freedom Toast) record this, but
they haven't released it yet. They wanted to put it on a "Sing Along With
The World" album, but the leaders of the countries keep changing faster
than they can record the songs!
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:49 PM
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20. Wonderful!
n/t
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:23 PM
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6. i'm a former catholic and i didn't even
know that. i remember something about having to kiss a cardinal's ring or maybe it was a bishop.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:26 PM
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8. My mum used to tranlate stuff for the bishop
She knew I didn't believe a word they said before I was a teenager because when he called our home I refused to call him My Lord. I wasn't kissing any damn rings either.

My mother failed to satisfactorily explain her belief in that madness, but we learned to live and let live.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:29 PM
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10. exactly. my mom is a
non-practising catholic and i'm an atheist.:toast:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:35 PM
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12. Well my mum would be practicing from the grave
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 04:35 PM by malaise
if she could.
My siblings and I figured out that she'd have drop dead if she had heard about their abuse of children.

:toast:

sp
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:29 PM
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9. He named himself after the patron saint of Europe ... you'd think he'd love white
He's a ridiculous, shriveled old relic of the past.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:37 PM
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13. They all are
relics of the past.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:38 PM
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15. Absolutely -- but he's the one being discussed n/t
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:39 PM
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16. Illustrates that no one in the Bush administration
knows anything or cares about the fine art of diplomacy!!! But I'll forgive them in this case in view of what the church has done to the aboriginal peoples of the world.
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Staph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:37 PM
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14. Protocol is a silly business,
but it's one of the rules of diplomacy. Only allowing royalty to wear white is an archaic bit of nonsense, but you accumulate a lot of silly rules in 2000 years. But Pickles should have played by the rules. And the State Department should have informed her of the proper clothing to wear. Oh, that's right, the shoe sales are on and Condi's probably out of town.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:46 PM
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18. This is the one time I'm backing Pickles
Fuck feudal bullshit.
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:58 PM
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25. Maybe pickles believes she's 'royalty'?
:think: After all, george thinks and behaves as if he's king george, right?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:24 PM
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35. LOL
Profound observation. Maybe Popey will declare them Emperor and Empress of Amerika post Habeas Corpus.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:48 PM
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19. and a 29 gun salute for a religious leader
makes total sense. . .not
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:52 PM
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21. He is also
a head of state. Vatican City is an autonomous country.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:56 PM
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24. Still it's just plain tacky.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:53 PM
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22. The imperialists are gathered for a feast
and all their wealth was gathered at the point of a gun - makes a lot of sense to me.

Never forget that the catholic church is the oldest multinational corporation.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:59 PM
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27. The Pope is allegeded to be the representative on Earth of
Jesus. Can anyone imagine Jesus approving the Vatican?
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:04 PM
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30. not the jesus i learned about.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:22 PM
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34. That's what I love most about these people
They and their goons make these statements and expect everyone else to fall in line. No religious leader speaks for me.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:00 PM
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28. I've described it for years as the oldest bureaucracy on the planet.
Pretty much the same thing.

I know someone who had access to the catacombs. Unbelievable really.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:27 PM
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36. Have you noticed that the same GEM$NBC that does not
give us important speeches from Congress is able to cut Tweety for this?
So they can cancel the horse race when it suits them.
:puke:
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verges Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 04:59 PM
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26. self-delete
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 05:00 PM by verges
accidental duplication!
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:35 PM
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47. Well, shades of the Roman Empire, but he's also considered a
head of state - the Vatican being considered a sovereign state.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:12 PM
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31. Apparently, he used to be a Nazi...
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:29 PM
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39. Apparently, they left that off the Vatican website.
"All I ask is that liberal bloggers treat me like that Tibet guy." Kidding! :rofl:

BIOGRAPHY OF HIS HOLINESS, POPE BENEDICT XVI
Seriously, the BIO is on the Vatican web site.
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/biography/documents/hf_ben-xvi_bio_20050419_short-biography_en.html

Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict XVI, was born at Marktl am Inn, Diocese of Passau (Germany) on 16 April 1927 (Holy Saturday) and was baptised on the same day. His father, a policeman, belonged to an old family of farmers from Lower Bavaria of modest economic resources. His mother was the daughter of artisans from Rimsting on the shore of Lake Chiem, and before marrying she worked as a cook in a number of hotels.

He spent his childhood and adolescence in Traunstein, a small village near the Austrian border, thirty kilometres from Salzburg. In this environment, which he himself has defined as "Mozartian", he received his Christian, cultural and human formation.

His youthful years were not easy. His faith and the education received at home prepared him for the harsh experience of those years during which the Nazi regime pursued a hostile attitude towards the Catholic Church. The young Joseph saw how some Nazis beat the Parish Priest before the celebration of Mass.

It was precisely during that complex situation that he discovered the beauty and truth of faith in Christ; fundamental for this was his family’s attitude, who always gave a clear witness of goodness and hope, rooted in a convinced attachment to the Church.

During the last months of the war he was enrolled in an auxiliary anti-aircraft corps.

From 1946 to 1951 he studied philosophy and theology in the Higher School of Philosophy and Theology of Freising and at the University of Munich.

He received his priestly ordination on 29 June 1951.

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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:33 PM
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40. Maybe you didn't recognize the guy in the picture...
...here is another one.

Maybe this one will help...

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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:18 PM
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32. We're ALL Royalty in this country
All Americans are royalty in this country, IMHO.

You aren't supposed to wear white in the presence of the Pope? Makes sense as long as you are Catholic... and not much if you aren't. We fought a Revolution to get rid of kings, and there isn't anyone "better" than any American, as far as I'm concerned.

(Yes, I'm serious.)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:20 PM
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33. You cannot be serious
I am a gazillion times 'better' than Bush and Cheney. :D
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Growler Donating Member (896 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 05:37 PM
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37. But they aren't real Americans
so I would agree with you. :)
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:34 PM
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42. We're all Mrs. Colbert!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:56 PM
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44. That's too cool
:D
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:32 PM
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46. How's this one?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:44 PM
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49. Hahahahahaha
His body looks like Anne's. :rofl:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:57 PM
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51. I made that a long time ago...
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 07:59 PM by ColbertWatcher
...didn't quite get the skin colors to match, but glad you liked it!

I have another one of Ann (the man), but don't think I can post it here.

Check it out http://www.wikiality.com/Template:NotLez">here, it's the one on the left..

Didn't get the skin to match too good on that one either...
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:14 PM
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38. Juan Scary Dude! Results 1 - 10 of about 666,000 for who the hell is the pope.
Results 1 - 10 of about 666,000 for who the hell is the pope.
http://www.google.com/search?q=who+the+hell+is+the+pope

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Mar 27, 2007 ... Hell ROME, March 27, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a homily delivered Sunday, Pope Benedict XVI stated, "Jesus came to tell us that ....

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Mar 27, 2007 ... Fire and brimstone is part of the pontiff's push for a back-to-basics Catholicism.....
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:33 PM
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41. i was raised catholic. not only is the pope the head of the catholic church, he's infallible...
Edited on Wed Apr-16-08 06:35 PM by spanone
n·fal·li·ble Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. absolutely trustworthy or sure: an infallible rule.
2. unfailing in effectiveness or operation; certain: an infallible remedy.
3. not fallible; exempt from liability to error, as persons, their judgment, or pronouncements: an infallible principle.
4. Roman Catholic Church. immune from fallacy or liability to error in expounding matters of faith or morals by virtue of the promise made by Christ to the Church.
–noun
5. an infallible person or thing.


the pope can do no wrong, sounds just like our leader

i am no longer a catholic....
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 06:55 PM
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43. That's one great power to grant to yourself
When you think about it, it's hysterically funny.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:38 PM
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48. That's not exactly correct, either
Not infallible in all things. Only on some issues of dogma.

I am also no longer a Roman Catholic...
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:19 PM
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52. Today, we have replaced infallible with a modern term, "above the law"
OPB just played Bush doing the justice and truth line. He must have read the Pope's online bio.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:25 PM
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53. No, the pope is not infallible
That's a crazy misinterpretation of doctrine.
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RedCappedBandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:26 PM
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45. People who respect "royalty" should not be welcomed in our country.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 07:55 PM
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50. just a guy in a big hat...
who has about 2000 years of history and customs to draw upon and depends respect based upon that...

Im not a big fan of him. But he is the head of a state which for the last millennium, for better or for worse, has forged our present day.

So that enough gets my respect..

Flame ON papel-haters!
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 09:44 PM
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54. He is the leader of the Catholic Church and
whether you like what they do or not (I doubt colors were an issue)

it's the practicing Catholics that this means a lot to and what

they do or don't do at a Mass, is their decision. I don't care...

... anymore. Although priests wear certain colors at high masses

but when I was forced to be a practicing Catholic, I was never told

what colors to wear except at my wedding but even that was my choice.

You worry to much.
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Fuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-16-08 10:19 PM
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55. Oh, F him and anyone else you expects groveling from title alone
Millions have died and oceans of blood have been spilled for the right of every man to give them the finger, or show the bottom of their foot or whatever insult is appropriate to the idiots who think them above the rest of us.

I say fuck em all. The world would be better without most of them anyway.
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