Fresno Teen Killed After Hitting Officer With Bat

[Kadie]

Apr 16, 2008 3:41 pm US/Pacific
Fresno Teen Killed After Hitting Officer With Bat

FRESNO (AP) ― A police officer shot and killed a high school student Wednesday after the teenager attacked the officer with a baseball bat on campus, authorities said.

Police said the officer fired shortly before noon, after a 17-year-old boy at Roosevelt High School allegedly came up behind the officer and hit him in the head with the bat, according to Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer. The officer fell down dazed, grabbed a gun from his ankle holster and fired, Dyer said.

"The officer was fortunate that he was able to defend himself," the chief said.

The cause of the attack was not immediately known. Dyer said there was no history of prior run-ins between the student and the officer, who was employed by the police department as the school's resource officer.

Police did not immediately release the identities of the officer or student, who was described as a longtime Fresno resident who recently transferred to the school. The teenager was 6 feet tall and 250 pounds -- larger than the officer, authorities said.

more...
http://cbs13.com/local/fresno.student.killed.2.701578.html

[Poll_Blind]

1. Don't hit police officers with bats, mmmkay? n/t

PB

[OKthatsIT]

30. Hey...since when was it ok

to kill a youth who is mentally losing it?
Why? Why not get back up and overwhelm him?

Should we assume it's ok for all of us to kill someone who has a bat swinging at us?

I don't know if I can agree to this response. This is/was the reason police wanted tazers? This was an extremely brutal and stupid reaction on the cops part.

I think you all are confused and have everything a-backwards.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

33. Let's see.

He was assaulted with a bat, struck hard enough to knock him to the ground. Using deadly force in this case is not only justified it's appropriate. Striking someone with a bat in the head can and often does result in a fatal injury.

David

[Jack_DeLeon]

35. let me hit you in the head with a bat...

then I'd like to see you get back up and "overwhelm" me. :eyes:

[Richard Steele]

36. You clearly have little grasp of the subject at hand, and thus appear foolish.

"Since when", you ask? Since FOREVER, that's when.
Since the very idea of "Law" was invented.

That's how long "laws" have recognized the right
to use deadly force against an attacker who is
attempting to MURDER you.

[TwilightGardener]

39. Yeah, a big heavy teenager tried to cave in a cop's skull--

can't believe the officer didn't just lie there and let him finish the job.

[krispos42]

45. When seconds count, help is only minutes away

Even with a 10-13 call.

Seriously, how long does it take to kill somebody with a baseball bat when surprise is on your side? Three, four seconds? Maybe two full-power swings after you've knocked him to the ground? Just crush the skull or snap the neck vertebrae.


Also, pistol wounds are not immediately incapacitating unless they hit the brain or spinal cord. Even with a couple of rounds in the chest, a sufficiently enraged attacker can small your skull in before subcuming to blood loss.

Forget what you see on TV. Most the immediate impact from handgun wounds in psychological in nature. Panic, fear, and survival instincts kicking in. It takes a minimum of 15 seconds or so to pass out from blood loss.

[jayfish]

47. I love To Call-Out Cops For This Sort Of Thing.

In this case though, it looks pretty cut and dried. Sure he could have called for backup but Scottie probably wasn't manning the transporter that day.

[Greyhound]

52. ...or if you do, make sure to take a full swing and connect at the base of the skull. n/t

[tekisui]

2. That's about what I'd expect if I hit a cop with a bat.

One stupid teen dead.

[Seeking Serenity]

4. Darwin's theory at work, eh? (n/t)

[Seeking Serenity]

3. Attacking law enforcement isn't the wisest move.

They have guns and the permission to use them.

[Yael]

5. Snuck up behind him and hit him in the head with a bat?

And at what point did he come to the conclusion that this would be a good idea?

Damn.

[Deja Q]

6. I suspect the brat's parents will sue... and win.

:(

At 6' and 250LB, he was either a heavyweight boxer... or Fat Albert's offspring. The cop wouldn't have much time to think, especially if the teen was a boxer.

[slackmaster]

19. It's well established in California that once someone has used deadly force on you

He becomes a valid target, unless he is retreating.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

7. HERE IS THE LINK

http://cbs13.com/local/fresno.student.killed.2.701578.html

[Richard Steele]

10. Silvia Carrillo, whose son attends Roosevelt High, is an idiot.

And that's all I have to say about that.

[TomInTib]

14. Seconded.

And I'll bet that she is raising a real jewel.

[Kadie]

15. Oops! Thanks.

I fixed my link above.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

44. WELCOME

[Richard Steele]

8. That cop is lucky he stayed conscious long enough to defend himself.

I've had a few blows to the head that knocked me loopy;
I doubt any of them were as bad as a 250lb guy hitting
me with a ball bat.

[lpbk2713]

9. I wonder if this genius was related to Shotgun Boy?

The one who recently circumcised himself with both barrels of a double barrel shotgun? :shrug:

[tkmorris]

11. He snuck up behind and hit him with a bat?

I would sure like to know why. There's got to be a lot more to this story than that.

[kestrel91316]

20. Doesn't need to be any more to the story.......

A baseball bat is a deadly weapon. You actually haul off and use one on a cop who has his back turned to you, you deserve to get shot and killed.

[tkmorris]

21. And where did I say otherwise?

You seem to be itching for an argument. No surprise in that I suppose, this is the internet after all.

My point is that there is no reason whatever given for this young man to have attacked a police officer out of the blue. Such things do happen of course, but far more often there is more to the story than that. What that might be I have no idea. Perhaps the student had a beef that we are not aware of, perhaps there was an altercation immediately preceding the bat attack which has not been reported. Perhaps any number of things, but the least likely scenario for me is that this young man woke up today and decided to randomly attack someone with a bat.

We shall see.

[kestrel91316]

28. No backstory could possibly justify what he did, other than perhaps

if the cop had gone postal and was shooting up the school for no reason. But we would have heard about it, if that were the case.

This kid was some sort of miscreant who did something he should have known would get him killed outright.

[tkmorris]

32. I didn't say anything justified it either

You really do want that fight don't ya?

There is a lot of detail left out of the original story, and I'd like to know what they are before I start slinging judgments around. You go ahead though.

[Poll_Blind]

12. "I think this wasn't enough for him to kill the kid," (from the article)

Maybe. But when you hit someone on the head with a baseball bat, ya know, you're kind of saying "I'm trying to kill you."

And when you've received that blow to the head there's probably little else you can think of other than "He's trying to kill me." And if you have a gun, you're probably gonna shoot who hit ya. Especially if you've been hit hard enough to go into survival mode, which he probably was.

PB

[Hippo_Tron]

29. I don't think the kid deserved it per se, but the cop did nothing wrong

Assaulting a cop with a loaded gun and not expecting to get shot is like running out into the middle of a highway and expecting not to get hit by a car.

[MidwestTransplant]

13. Don't bring a bat to a gun fight.

[Indenturedebtor]

16. Yeah i'm with the poepoe on this one

And thank you for removing a moron from the gene pool. Sheez man.... what was that kid thinkin?

[Zynx]

25. Me too. That kid obviously wasn't well, but that doesn't mean he wasn't dangerous.

[kestrel91316]

17. I nominate him for a Darwin Award.

[slackmaster]

18. Well, that was a bonehead move on the kid's part

:shrug:

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

22. One of the few situations where the cop doesn't appear to be

a fascist pig. Sucks that it had to go that way.

[Wcross]

23. I wonder what was going through the kids head.

Seriously, what was his goal? Was it suicide by cop? The kid couldn't expect to attack a cop without serious repercussions, maybe he didn't expect a lethal response? Maybe he was "trying to make a name for himself"? The new kid who "kicked a cops ass" in school? Why did the kid suicide himself like that?

I guess its a sign of our society collapsing to even NEED police officers in our public schools, have we declined that far in the past twenty years? What is wrong with the kids?

[Kaleva]

38. To be sure, nothing intelligent or logical at the time

[BadgerLaw2010]

24. Suicide?

[Kadie]

46. Update - Police: Fresno Student Killed By Cop Wanted To Die

Apr 17, 2008 12:32 pm US/Pacific

Police: Fresno Student Killed By Cop Wanted To Die

FRESNO (AP) ― Relatives of a Fresno high school student who was shot to death after he attacked a police officer with a baseball bat questioned the department's version of events Thursday, and said the depressed teenager never received the help he needed from teachers and school administrators.

Jesus "Jesse" Carrizales, a 17-year-old sophomore, died Wednesday of a single bullet to the chest, fired by a school resources officer, Junus Perry, whom Carrizales had ambushed on a ramp outside his office. The first officers to reach the scene also found a small butcher knife protruding from Carrizales' pocket, authorities said.

Fresno Police Chief Jerry Dyer said Thursday that the 6-foot-tall, 250-pound teen sought out the violent confrontation, which he called "a case of suicide by cop."

Police said there were no prior clashes between Carrizales and Perry, who spent the past three years assigned to Roosevelt High School by the police department.

But it wasn't the first time Carrizales had a run-in with police. In 2005, while in middle school, the student was cited for concealing a small knife in his backpack, Dyer said. Relatives said the knife belonged to a friend.

more...
http://cbs13.com/crime/fresno.student.killed.2.702415.html

[derby378]

26. Let me guess...

That Roosevelt HS kid watched this movie first, right?

http://mediocrefilms.com/batty.html

[Egalitariat]

27. We need bat control****

nm

[slackmaster]

41. I'm sure carrying a bat around during the day would have been permitted when I was in high school

But it would have to be a personally owned one. The school's sports equipment was always checked out when needed for sanctioned activities like P.E. class, and checked back in when we were finished with it.

[HughBeaumont]

31. A bat could easily kill someone with one blow.

Hell, in Lakewood Ohio, a 30 year old man died in his sleep as a result of a drunk punching him in the back of the head . . . ONCE. The haymaker wild punch, which likely packed way less force than a swung object such as a bat, fractured the back of the victim's skull and he bled to death slowly, dying during the evening.

If swung a little higher in the wrong place, that bat could have killed that officer. A bat is assault with a deadly weapon.

So yes, good work in dropping that coital mistake before he could have killed someone else with his thuggery bullshit.

[Jack_DeLeon]

34. If someone tried to hit me with a bat I would try to shoot them too...

hopefully I would be sucessful.

I'd much rather thier blood on the ground than my brains.

Blunt objects can kill.

[ozu]

37. Impressed

I'm impressed the cop was able to regain composure to defend himself after getting hit from behind in the head with a bat from a 250lb'er.

Tough cop. Well played.

[benEzra]

40. A bat swung to the head is an attempt to kill.

And if a police officer swings a baton to the head, it is considered deadly force, just like shooting someone with a gun.

[flvegan]

42. 6 foot, 250 pound guy swinging a bat.

I'd have shot him too.

[aikoaiko]

43. let's hope the violent idiot didn't reproduce before his demise.

It sounds like a clear case of self defense.

[MrSlayer]

48. Just as he deserved.

Hitting a police officer with a bat in the back of the head in such a cowardly fashion deserves an equally lethal response. He got what he asked for.

[-..__...]

49. Only one thing to do...

ban assault bats! (Hey... it's California after all).

[Xithras]

50. ROFLOL!!

You got a permit for that bat?

By the way, and dead seriously: It's illegal in California to carry a baseball bat within the enclosed passenger compartment of a vehicle. You have to put it in the trunk. I have no clue what SUV and Minivan drivers are supposed to do. I remember getting warned way back when I was in high school and got pulled over. The cop made me put it in my trunk, and warned me that a baseball bat inside a vehicle is considered a weapon AND is grounds for arrest in this state.

Yep, it's California after all. :)

[-..__...]

51. It should be called "The Onion" State.

as in... The Onion...
because a lot of the stuff coming from there just had to be made up.