I'm a big boy, but what is coming of DU?!?!?

[HardWorkingDem]

You ask a controversial question here and people start the same old crap - freeper, tool of the right wing, spewing the garbage of the right wing.

I'm sick of it.

Reading some of the replies here is growing to be utterly disappointing again and again.

[mcctatas]

1. It will all be over after the primary...

the high volume of freeper trolls has everyone a little on edge and playing way too fast and loose with the accusations of right wing douchebaggery....:)

[HardWorkingDem]

2. I would accept that if...

many of the posts were not above 1,000.

[Lasher]

10. But some of those just signed up a coupla weeks ago.

That's a clue.

[Rockholm]

17. Some of the folks with 1K+ posts.....

Joined in the last few months (weeks, days). Probably being paid by campaigns to stir shit up about the others. Makes me sick. I don't relish saying what I say about Obama, but I am countering the negative crap that is spewed about Hillary.

[L. Coyote]

36. Yes, you fell into the trap. Operation Chaos engages Dems.

If a chimpy freeper mole flings dung from his branch on the tree,
fling your feces into his eyes, not on the whole branch. :rofl:
After all, you're in the same tree! You'll be smelling your own crap.

Better yet, do not engage in this form of scatalogical besmearment for parallel olfactory reasons.

And that is what this is, a political dirty trick
in the scatalogical besmearment class--make the place stink like monkey dooo.

Disruption is never easier than during primary season.
If you are a talented operative, with just a few identities,
you can run a chimpy troop from a network, start a fight between yourselves,
and soon enough the whole Dem tree is flinging fecal-grade lamblasts like a bunch of howlers.

Damn chimpy freeper wacko moles!

[Rockholm]

68. Good observation and analysis.

I wish I could kick this nugget.

[Occulus]

31. There are posters here with well over 10,000 posts

who are very obviously here for no good reason.

I won't name names, of course, but there are a few very long-lived, very clever trolls here who have been here almost from day one. Again, people with a donor star and over 10,000 posts.

[dmr]

49. Yup

and they play a clever game.

But to the original poster: I understand your frustration. All will calm down after the primary. Many of those who raise your blood pressure will disappear, only to return when something needs to be stirred. I ignore them. In fact, I stay out of the primary forum, and only read a few threads that make their way to the greatest page.

[Rockholm]

69. Yep. They were exposed after the 2004 election.

And there was one who outed himself right after the election. I can't remember his name, but it was a biggie. Anyone remember?

[tcfrogs]

8. Still cracks me up to see that term:

douchebaggery :rofl:

[tcfrogs]

3. Pipe down...

...freeper troll! :rofl:

[tcfrogs]

4. Whoops...duplicate. n/t

[melody]

5. Probably 25% of posters are fake Hillary "supporters" who are trolls

They're causing the problem.

[Jamastiene]

7. In all honesty, another 25% of the fake Obama supporters

are causing part of the problem too. That's a full 50% right about now. Yeah, this shit is deep around here.

[melody]

9. I disagree -- there are no fake Obama supporters. Supporting Obama strengthens the Democrats

These Hillary trolls are here to destroy the party.

[MuseRider]

22. OMG

you simply can't be serious with that statement!

Early morning laughs here. *deep breath* Seriously?

This has to be one of the most ridiculous statements (actually the entire post) I have ever seen on DU. Bar none.

[L. Coyote]

39. I know. Hundreds are thinking, "Damn, I can't outdo that!" Very classy reply

Personally, I'm going back to Wit and Quick Retort classes.

[MuseRider]

45. I know you are

but what am I?

Pbsttttt!

Not me!

Neener Neener!

Mom, look what they did!

I should go back to teaching.

[KaptBunnyPants]

51. Seeing as Hillary is not going to win at this point, the right has been trying to inflate her

support. Rush isn't telling his listeners to go vote 50/50 for Obama and Hillary, he's telling them to go out in lockstep and support her to keep this charade going. The trolls are signing up as Hill supporters, for the most part, but what's sad is how readily they've been adopted by the broader Hillary flock. Since I started using ignore, I've been amazed at how quickly annoying Hillary supporters get tomb-stoned. But someone is recommending their posts, because I only see them if they hit the greatest page, so they are almost like a mercenary arm in her campaign.

[MuseRider]

53. Oh good lord

give this shit up! It is helping nobody and frankly I detest both of them. Why are you doing this? Defending whom and for what and why?

Grow the fuck up people!

He's touching meeeeeee!

[KaptBunnyPants]

66. You're right, I will give this shit up.

Talking to you is a waste of time.

[MuseRider]

67. About Clinton v Obama it sure is. n/t

[mainegreen]

25. OMFG

:rofl:

Wow.
Damned.

You just made a lot of people laugh with that one.

[regularguy]

26. I prefer Obama to Hillary, but

this is just nuts. :eyes:

[melody]

52. No, but I knew I'd come home to eight bot replies to this. Nice try "yourselves". lol

:eyes: :rofl:

Nice try, "guys" (all one of you with your thirty-five IDs) -- you did help lengthen my Hillarian ignore list, though.
Thanks!

And you gave me a good laugh. ;)

[MuseRider]

54. Wow two at once!

How do you come up with this?

LOL.

[melody]

56. Novel avatar, have to give you that. But how anyone could go from Dennis to Clinton, well ...

Kucinich has a conscience ... Hillary doesn't anymore (if ever she did).

[MuseRider]

57. Now we have the third

Most ridiculous post and you own all 3 of them. Congratulations!

Wish I had a crystal ball like yours.

[melody]

61. Oooh, you guys really are getting desperate ... saw the polls this morning did you?

Next time hire on with a candidate that doesn't act like an unmitigated she-bitch.

To think my niece was very nearly named after Hillary ... she once was a hero, now she's a plague
on her party. Happily, we have the cure.

Welcome to my ignore list -- you're just sort of sad to watch now.

[MuseRider]

64. Well I NEVER!

*back of the hand to the forehead. stomping off with a whoosh and a huff*

What are you 12? I guess I don't have to worry about insulting you now since you have gone and closed your eyes and ears ever so tightly so as not to hear anything that you don't want to. Good.

You have made a royal ass of yourself in this thread. Your assumptions smack of desperation and are entirely incorrect but I guess that is how the game is played now. I dare you to find a post of mine that has been any more supportive of Clinton than to say that I wish I could vote for her because she is a woman but I can't or that at least she is better than Obama. Now don't cry, this is politics. Not everyone can win like they told you in preschool.

If this is what passes for political discussion these days (I am guessing it must but I never go into GDP because of that very thing) then we are dead, a dead country full of unthinking and uneducated people who think that their knee jerk reactions to someone who does not agree with them counts for something and that if they yell and scream and pout then stomp off their point is made.

You have said nothing of substance all the while ignoring people (I am not including myself here) who are having far more intelligent discussions that you have made in anything I have read of yours. All you have done is stomp your little foot and cry foul. Does that really reflect who you are and how you think? I would hope not. I try not to ignore people although I have on a temporary basis but having to deal with this type of discussion grows old and I may start using it again. DU used to be a place where we could disagree heatedly and even have a tantrum or two but we still dealt with each other for the most part and learned something even if we did not want to. I miss that place.

One more thing....I will not be voting for Clinton and I will not be voting for Obama. I will not work against them but they both disgust me enough to pass for the first time in my voting life I can't even hold my nose and do it. Oh yes, just in case you did not storm off in that huff.....I know the rules, you do not need to point them out and no, I will not be voting for McCain.

[Occulus]

32. BWAAAAA

Sure there aren't.

:rofl:

[Terran]

35. I had to think about that one for a minute, but...

yeah, it's very possible that there are Obama trolls here too, to make *all* his supporters look bad. The trolls are trying to play both sides against each other. Whether that really affects anything in the real world, I don't know (I doubt it), but it sure has a lot of people at each other's throats here. The Freepers are having a field day...little do they know all this will go away once Obama gets the nomination.

[L. Coyote]

37. They don't go away after the primary. They go back to GD.

Pro trolling is done by one person operating numerous identities,
controlling both sides of the dung flinging fest to best advantage.

To disrupt a party, one finds an active primary race,
and, of course, starts several identities supporting each candidate.
Then, have the online identities start fighting.

Everyone else joins in, or nearly everyone.
Pro politicos know better, I hope.

[hyphenate]

44. I'm sure there are plenty of

fake Obama supporters here, but there are plenty of fakes (for one thing or another) around here on a regular basis. We've seen it in the past, and I'm sure the future won't be a stranger to more. It's just the way it is.

[pacalo]

47. "Supporting Obama strengthens the Democrats"

replaces the old "We must support the president because he has information that we don't know about." Never thought I'd see such a Jim Jones mentality in Democrats.

[GoneOffShore]

48. Are you series!!!! OMFG!11!!111!!!! This si HUGH!11!!!!

I had NO IDEA!!!111

I'm SHOCKED, I tell you. SHOCKED!


So all those Obama supporters who spouted bullshit and who ended up on my Ignore list along with the Hillary supporters who spouted bullshit aren't fakes?

[uppityperson]

58. Duzy material!

did you forget your smiley?

[Name removed]

62. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[uppityperson]

63. Cool, am on an ignore list for daring to laugh at someone

and not even in GD-P. It would be amusing to see what any thread looks like from your perspective now.

[emilyg]

11. I don't think so.

[melody]

12. I'm certain of it -- they all pop up at the same exact time. It's one person with multiple IDs

And they each have shifts.

[Tyler Durden]

14. You mean, exactly like YOU did?

There is no way anyone can tell if one person is using sockpuppets. And the suggestion make one think "...thou protesteth too much..."

Give it a REST for crying out loud. The asshole index statistic absolutely would prove that there are likely equal percentages.

[melody]

16. Oh, puhlease!

If you had any idea how long I've been here, you'd know how silly that is. However, a classic, cheap way to "debate" is to turn the argument against the person who has just made it ... I don't debate with such people, ergo welcome to my ignore list.

[Tyler Durden]

18. You mean 3 years LESS than me?

The laziest way to frame a debate is to "Poison the Well." You claim "debate stuffing" by fake ID, ergo their side is wrong.

Non-sequitur.

[uppityperson]

59. Member since Oct 27th 2004

[Liberal Gramma]

46. Doesn't the IP address show up somewhere?

I'm not very PC literate, but if multiple posters are posting from the same IP address, wouldn't that be a clue? I can see where one poster might have several IP addresses, say, from work, from home, from laptop wireless, but the same IP address for many, especially if those posters are disruptive, would show who is disrupting for pay.

[earth mom]

6. Freeper invasion. It's been going on for months & they hang out in GD-P.

:yoiks:

[L. Coyote]

28. The Freeper invasion is never-ending. These wacko moles just keep surfacing.

The mods need to do an analysis of who is most ignored! And, who ignores whom.

Not only do the admins have the ability to see which computer everyone who posts is on, you can do the same thing if you have a server witrh acces to stats. Just post a tiny image file and follow it. Every person who reads your posts downloads the image in the page. You know which computer on the planet posts what where.

You even know when someone in the White House comments (or downloads your spreadsheets with vote fraud evidence).

[sandnsea]

13. Tough. Stop swift boating

That's all it is when you insist in turning nothing into a major campaign issue. Too bad if you don't like being called on it.

[HardWorkingDem]

41. Grow up..

And it's people like you who fail to anticipate attacks that cause dems to lose time and time again.

Mark my words - this story WILL come up on the General Election. And if you don't think it will, then you are one naive political person.

[Snarkturian Clone]

15. I've noticed it too.

It's spilling over into other parts of the board besides GDP.

[Tyler Durden]

20. On both sides of the Campaign as well.

Sockpuppets abound. Boring. I hate all the "alter-egos" don't you?

And you're right: it's oozing all over the place like the blob filling up a cheap diner.

[Snarkturian Clone]

21. I agree that it's from both sides.

I've seen some threads claiming "it's only the obama people" and others claiming "it's only the hillary people". It's both.

[L. Coyote]

30. Is DU a Ratf**ker Heartland ??

Appearance is not reality.
Operation Chaos is ongoing and widespread.

If you read FREEPER forums,
you know they admit they are here,
covert, organized, and disruptive!

They will be back in GD soon enough.

[MuseRider]

19. Blind devotion

Hero worship

It is here in this thread too.

I don't know specifically what you are talking about but those two things above kill all rational conversation. It feels like a room filled with pre schoolers.

Just look at the responses above. Finger pointing and absolute assurances that it is "them" not "us". It is stunning how totally dumb people can be but that us vs. them mentality kills us every time. Add to that the continual "good guys" vs "bad guys" with us being the good guys no matter what. Our white hats are very dirty but once you sign that loyalty oath and it becomes pure as the driven snow.

You can't discuss with close minded devotees. They don't want to talk about anything other than how next to prove their blind loyalty or who else they need to toss aside to gain more traction (but you know they won't be like that once they have won :eyes:).

Edit to add a missing letter

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

23. Have you been camping out in GD-Primaries? It's relatively civilized here in GD compared to

there.

[Catchawave]

24. I'm embarrassed for DU right now

An F-YOU thread at the top of the Home Page? Have we jumped the shark?

[stubtoe]

33. Me too. The place has turned into Thunderdome.

I liked it much better when it was a Democratic discussion board. I'm amazed that a primary season can bring out the worst in some Democrats. But then Bob Kerry once said something like "We Democrats eat our own" in an interview I saw many years ago. Guess it's true.

[aikoaiko]

27. We have a big tent and even include assholes as long as they are Democratic assholes.

I feel your pain. Even some of the old timers are shameful.

[Echo In Light]

29. I've discovered that many moderates here are quite removed from leftist/liberal views

...and apparently despise leftists nearly as much as they do republicons, primarily due to many leftists lending varying degrees of credence to various "conspiratorial" issues that embarrass the moderates who often insist that such mass criminal/political conspiracies are non-existent.

[Occulus]

34. ...the fact we have "criminal conspiracy" statutes on the books notwithstanding...

It never ceases to amaze me, how so many can claim conspiracies are "too large" or whatnot, when we have actual historical examples of actual, wide-ranging criminal conspiracies.

Blinders, etc.

[L. Coyote]

38. Do provide an example or two. I must have missed that.

What was the question? What was the response?

[HardWorkingDem]

42. A fellow Dem...

and HRC supporter was trying to persuade me to come over to support her over Obama. I told him he was getting nervous and to relax. He then started spouting off this and that about Obama and brought up this Bill Ayres character and I needed to look for information on him. Now, this HRC supporter claimed the Obamas threw a getting out of prison story for this man and his wife and said they were mad bombers. I told him that he was probably getting his information from some wild sources, but I'd still look this guy up.

I did and the wikipedia entry (which I agree is not a good source) alarmed me a bit about this couples background (bombed the Pentagon, other places and possible involvement in actions that led to the deaths of a Brinks guard and police officers).

So, I did what I thought was the next best thing - I asked Duer's about this association in a Primary thread. From there it went from the typical freeper crap to being called a Rethuglican tool and how, gasp, to even ask about such a thing is more or less blasphemy or traitorous to the Dem party.

[L. Coyote]

43. Can you be sure who is a fellow Dem? Can we be sure you are a boy?

This is why we do not identify ourselves. DU is not reality :rofl:
We are all Colbert-esque characters in a big cartoon.

[Asgaya Dihi]

55. They were right to get upset but should have explained it better

The whole Ayres thing is nothing more or less than right wing smear and anyone who has actually looked at the issues should know better. Straight off the top Obama lived near and on occasion dealt with or worked with the guy on things, so what? Obama was 8 when the guy did what he did and it's long past. Bill Clinton pardoned two members of the same group for their crimes and that's somehow less newsworthy and less worth notice than happening to live near and knowing someone? It's repug smear and nothing less. Anyone in the Clinton camp spreading this story might as well be honest about who they are and join the republican party.

The following article starts out with an explanation from a Clinton supporter who had been critical of the Wright thing and was now having second thoughts due to a new point of view which had been shared with him, that point of view copied below his note on the subject. Read it and it might help to put things into perspective. Not on Ayres in particular so much as on knowing controversial people in general.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/13/lanny-davis-civil-dialogue-on-the-issue-of-reverend-wright/

[Javaman]

40. Nice post, hitler.

:rofl:

[cbayer]

50. I read your other OP and can see why you are upset.

We should be asking very hard questions about our candidates. We need to understand as much as we can about them and be ready to defend them when the attacks come.

However, my experience at DU lately is that any questioning of this sort is not tolerated. If you dare to bring up a topic that questions the candidate in any way, you will be attacked.

Kind of reminds me of how Bush got elected.

[cynatnite]

60. I was called a freeper troll back in 2004....

more than once, too. Not to mention RW hack, nutjob, and even nazi.

Just the other day I was accused of defending those polygamist jerks because I asked for a person to supply a source for a claim they made.

It's typical here at DU. Don't sweat it. :)

[coriolis]

65. I am absolutely not a freeper but I've been hammered relentlessly for pointing out

that beating the Repug nominee is going to be one terribly fucking hard task!
:eyes:

[HardWorkingDem]

70. I think many people...

are asleep at the wheel and getting a bit over confident. To that I remind them, "President Bush I" and "President Bush II." And if that doesn't help, they need a good reminder that in the bizarre world of American politics, while in a time of war, an actual combat veteran was seen as less as a soldier than that of a man who basically went AWOL.