Andrew Jackson was a piss poor Democrat....

[catnhatnh]

....did you know he held 44 slaves and fought at least 13 duels,killing at least one man and was never charged with a crime although dueling was illegal? It seems pig headed and childish to me-the actions of a strutting bully.

[BlueManDude]

1. The parties have pretty much flip-flopped since the demise of the Whigs and the advent

of the Republican party. I mean, the GOP always touts Lincoln as being a "Republican" but do you think he'd be running around supporting the flying of the Confederate flag like so many GOPers do?

[Ichingcarpenter]

2. He was uncouth and committed genocide

in the trail of Tears

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

3. Even worse than the Cherokee Trail of Tears

Before he became President, he launched wars against the Creek and Choctaw tribes. Here's a description of some of the unspeakable acts of barbarism over which he presided, something the Nazi SS would have done:

"...Andrew Jackson . . . supervised the mutilation of 800 or so Creek Indian corpses -- the bodies of men, women and children that he and his men massacred -- cutting off their noses to count and preserve a record of the dead, slicing long strips of flesh from their bodies to tan and turn into bridle reins. ..."

http://www.incite-national.org/involve/colonialism.html

[catnhatnh]

4. See-I'm just sayin' that if I was gonna'...

...name myself after a "JACKSON", I'd make sure people knew it was Janet and not Andrew-people could mistake my intent.

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. Wink... wink... nod .... nod...

;-) ;-) ;-)

[scarletwoman]

5. Frankly, the Trail of Tears does it for me -- total asshole.

There had even been a Supreme Court decision in favor of the Cherokee keeping their property, but good ol' Andy just said "fuck you" to the Court and ordered the expulsion of the Cherokee, anyway.

These were people who ran businesses, had a written language, had their own newspaper, and owned property under the precise WHITE definition of legally owning property, among other things. The Cherokee had never waged war against the U.S. government. In fact, they had done their best to conform and accomodate the rules and laws of the European invaders and occupiers.

But for Andrew Jackson, the drunken asshole, none of that mattered. The money powers -- i.e. land speculators -- wanted rid of the Indians. And being non-white, they were expendable.

Andrew Jackson -- just one more asshole in a long line of White Supremacists...

sw

[catnhatnh]

7. Hmmm a man who ignored both the rule of law....

...and human decency to engage in a genocidal war for profit...Thank GOD that could never happen again.

[scarletwoman]

8. Has kind of a familiar ring, dontcha think? (nt)

[catnhatnh]

9. This thread has an element of serendipity...If seredipity can be dark...

Almost like dust in the air can crystalize a snowflake when conditions are right. I posted meanly and instead was returned the kind of truth that can both enlighten and hopefully help me understand the full flow of our joined histories.Before I found him a clownish jerk-now perhaps I see his far darker soul.

[scarletwoman]

12. The soul of Andrew Jackson is the soul of the U.S. of A.

Remember that.

[catnhatnh]

17. Good God I hope not....

...As an anciently tired old white guy....

[scarletwoman]

19. Sorry. This is a country founded on genocide and slavery, now bent on global Empire.

Our culture glorifies violence and militarism.

"Might makes right." "The ends justify the means." "Survival of the fittest."

Are these not the prevailing themes of our collective worldview?

[depakid]

10. Context

You didn't grow up in Andrew Jackson's times. None of us did.

It's awfully easy to look back and judge folks in their times using 21st Century standards.

[Postman]

11. Well how about those Salem Witch Trials? Should we withhold judgement on that too?

To a certain extent you may be correct, but on issues of violence, murder and the like, I think it's safe to apply a moral judgement...

[depakid]

18. No witholding judgment -the trail of tears was what it was

And yeah, put me back in time....

Let me walk through graveyards.

I reckon from a walk about or two (or three) -that I got shit about it from the woman who I love, more people who bear my name are buried on a Southern continent, farther from their homes -transported like many native American tribes.

It was a bit emotional- wouldn't it be for you to see family names on graves stones and war memorials everywhere?

Applying moral judgments -it's a difficult thing.

Joe Bagent has a go with the Aussie angle in his Australian preface to Deer Hunting with Jesus.

The Aussie intro had a memorable quote: we got the convicts and you got the puritans.

Imagine how that must have felt to an American who loves an Aussie woman? Or visa versa.

At any rate we had a run to Canberra.

I reckon it wasn't easy- we hollered at each other a little getting there, yet when it came down to it- we both stood up proud and strong with all sorts of people of good heart in front of Parliament to witness the apology to the Stolen Generations.

and in that we remembered in our hearts of hearts that there's so much more that we need to do.

[Adsos Letter]

13. Context is important, I agree...

but there were those in Jackson's time who argued against the Cherokee removal in terms of human rights.

[depakid]

20. Cherokee Nation v. Georgia

John Marshall has made his decision; let him enforce it now if he can.

[Adsos Letter]

22. I understand that....

I'm just saying that there were others whose view of the Native Americans, while not as enlightened as we like to think we are today, was different than the norm, and not just Chief Justice Marshall, either.

[catnhatnh]

15. Fresh Horsecock

If the societal norm was 13 duels why are Lincoln, Johnson, and Grant so far off the norm?All lacking honor?

[catnhatnh]

14. You know what???

JacksonDem hasn't weighed in here.

[Moochy]

23. Imagine That...

I'll post a cross link on his three piles of cra, er I mean posts in GD: P

[hedgehog]

16. Here's a good question - Jefferson -Jackson Day dinners; Why? nt

[catnhatnh]

21. Do you have a theory? N/T

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24. If you're that unhappy about it...

send me all your $20.00 bills if it makes your conscience any feel any better.

[MissMarple]

25. Andrew was a Democrat of his day. He did some good things, he did some bad things...

Figure it out. Grow up. Mature. Please. Get over the word Democrat in that context. Eisenhower is spinning in his grave. :eyes: