Rape, impregnation, racism, assault, medical experimentation, murder in CPS Foster Care

[Wizard777]

******* GRAPHIC WARNING*******

Starved to death in foster care.

Foster Children Used as Guinea Pigs

Medical experimentation on orphans

Hear the children cry. Hear about the abuse from the children themselves.

Help bring Jerimiah home

Are your children at risk?

CPS Horror stories

CPS Corruption.

House Committee on Ways and Means.
Statement of Robert Littlejohn.>

http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2441">Capitol Offense Child's Play Foster Care Fiasco

http://www.dcfabuse.com/">CPS Watchdog. Rape, pregnancy, and murder in foster care.

:cry: Who saves the kids from CPS and Foster Care?

[WildClarySage]

1. Is foster care ideal? No. Can we do things better? Of course.

Start with adequate funding. Better funding means more workers earning decent wages with lower burnout... means fewer overwhelmed social workers who miss things.

Blame cuts to social services- always the first to go when there's an economic downturn causing increased caseloads- but please don't heap piles of crap on social workers. 99.9% of them are doing their best in a system that's overwhelmed with cases and underwhelmed with support.

edited to add.. who saves kids from abusive and neglectful parents?:cry:

[Wizard777]

3. Agreed. But there are also things that need to be done to protect families from CPS abuse.

Removing CPS Immunity is the first thing that needs to be done. If a CPS agent goes into court and lies through their teeth or withholds possitive information. They should go to jail and get sued to hell and back just like anyone else.

[Greyhound]

2. None of which mitigates the obscenities you defend in any way.

Pathetic.

[Wizard777]

5. Where's your outrage now?

So your defending rape impregnation, assault, and murder of children by CPS? Well, I don't believe that about you and wouldn't do that to you. Because that's just plain low and slimey. But you have to scream for evidence. Check the links. Most of it is straight from the kids or parents. With teh Mp3's it's straight from the kids mouthes.

[WildClarySage]

8. BY CPS???

or do you mean by others while children are under social services' custody? Because there's a hell of an accusation going on there. And certainly... those things NEVER happen to children in their parents custody (/sarcasm). You are trying to demean an entire profession using the testimony of a minority of parents- who demonstrably have an axe to grind- based on the negligence of a very very few professionals who are overworked and undervalued AND who can't comment on these cases to defend themselves against these accusations.

[Wizard777]

13. By the whole cabal.

You have CPS agent pyhsically abusing kids. CPS Investigators sexually abusing parent under threat of taking thier kids. You have foster care parent raping the kids. Starving them to death. The privitization of Foster care. That's Kids for sale to the lowest bider. Actually it's not a minority of parent. It's the majority.

The Forgotten Children in Texas



The comptroller's findings so far include data showing that in the 2004 budget year (which ended Aug. 31, 2004), 63 foster children received medical treatment for rape that occurred while in the foster care system, 142 children and teens gave birth while in the system, and about 100 received treatment for poisoning caused by medications they were given while in care.


In 2005 - 48 kids in DPRS care died.

But I'm quite sure their not all evil.

[Dorian Gray]

90. That's a system-wide CPS policy now?

Is it? They mandate that abuse?

Cause that's what FLDS does. It's their religion. CPS may have horrible people doing horrible things, but it's not a systemic imperative.

[girl gone mad]

4. You're still trying to defend the..

FLDS child abusers?

I've known dozens of children rescued from abusive homes by CPS. Ir's not a perfect system, but they save lives.

Police abuse people and make false arrests. Doctors make fatal errors. Teachers have affairs with underage students. Is your solution to outlaw all of these professions? Let criminals roam the streets, don't get medical care and keep kids out of school because there are a few bad apples?

[WildClarySage]

6. Oh, so that's what this rant is all about.

I get it now. Some of those sites were absolutely rife with accusation and innuendo with a crapload of sensationalism thrown in for good measure. One of them accuses social workers of taking cases based on obtaining federal funding. As if each case "earns" them more money! Families can discuss their children's cases for any and all to hear, but social services can't comment on children's cases at all to defend themselves from often outrageous claims.

No, rather than discuss what social services does for families and how to improve things, lets just hurl the unfounded accusations against them- and let them squirm because they have no recourse to public opinion because they value the privacy of the children they serve.

There's no defending what the FLDS molesters have done to children. So I guess OP has to smear good people doing their best in a profession with little support and less money instead. Nice.

Foster care is better for these kids than allowing FLDS abuses to continue.

[Wizard777]

10. No many of the links contain first hand accounts of the abuse from the chilren themselves.

I'm not going to lie or even pretend that this doesn't put the shoe on the other foot. But the truth is the system is far from functional. They need to stop anonymous complaints. We have that here in Maryland. If you file a complaint. You must give your name. If you don't they cannot investigate. Because of CPS immunity you have no recourse against CPS. But you do have recourse against a person filing a false complaint. Filing a false complaint with CPS should be a felony.

[WildClarySage]

11. Bullshit. Making a report to children's services that there is a

possibility a child is in danger means that an investigation should take place... not that an accusation is being made. Penalizing those who would file a report that proves untrue will simply discourage people from making reports- which would then endanger more children.

[Wizard777]

14. Care to put that to the test?

I don't know if you have kids. But I believe your a damned good parent or would be a damned good parent. You send me your name and address. I'll make an anonymous false complaint against you to your local CPS. We'll see if you still feel that way. But even if you are a good parent that has done absolutely nothing wrong. There is the very real possibility that CPS could coem in take your kids and you'd never see them again. Even if you are willing to take that risk. I'm not.

Filing a false complaint is crime in all crimes up to and including murder. Why not child abuse? Especially the devistating impact that has on a family. One of the most traumatic and abusive thing you can do to a child is take them from their parents. Family courts tend to side that way too. Kids are best left with their parents. I have seen kids that have been abused by their parents and even tossed out in the streets. They still love their parents. Because they are their parents. Yet I've seen parents that cater to their kids every whim. Those kids hate their parents with a purple passion. Yes I have also seen kids that were abused by their parents that want them dead. Some of them I really would blame if they did kill them. But when there is no abuse in the home and teh kids are taken on false complaint. That is more than an legal abuse and an abuse of authority. It's child abuse. Why the free pass on that form of child abuse?

[WildClarySage]

19. Oh I get it.

You're insane. Never mind. I won't bother responding to your drivel anymore. Good luck trying to convince people that CPS is actually an evil government conspiracy... :eyes:

[Wizard777]

20. You can spout crap all day .

Until it come time to put YOUR kids where your beliefs and your mouth is. Then suddenly everybody's insane. You want CPS in every house BUT YOURS. You worse than insane. Your a hypocrit. You can't live by your own rules.

[WildClarySage]

23. Ok just had to answer this one.

I did not say the system worked perfectly. I did not say it was ideal. I did not say they don't make mistakes. I did not say I wanted "CPS in every house." I did not say "except mine." I stated that they need better funding for better training and more employees. I said they have .1% bad apples. You said people should be charged with felonies for reporting suspected abuse that doesn't ultimately prove true. Then you said you would be happy to file a false report on me. Then you prove your point with a tragic story of a child who died because CPS declined to intervene by removing a child from a home THEY DID NOT PUT HER IN (despite your statement that they were guilty of murder for putting her there.)

Maybe you're crazy, maybe you're not. Whatever. Good luck with having it both ways.

[Dorian Gray]

91. You don't need to defend yourself.

It's obvious that you didn't say any of those things, WildClarySage. Nobody in their right mind in this thread or on DU would think you did. Which means you are arguing with someone completely out of their right mind.

[Ghost in the Machine]

21. Save your breath, you're arguing with a guy who thinks a 76 year old sleeping with a 50 year old..

is the same as a 40 year old sleeping with a 14 year old..

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Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-15-08 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #25
31. Right and there were states who's age of consent was 14.
Here in Maryland I think our age of consent is still 16. In all honesty I may be a bad person to speak on this subject. Because at my age it's hard to have sex with anyone without kinda feeling like a pedophile. I'm 76. If I have sex with a 50 year old woman. Our advanced age doesn't change the fact that I was 26 years old when that woman was born. It's still a May December romance. Even though younger people might see it as more of a Christmas Eve New Years Eve romance because we're both old by their standards.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3159730#3160321
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And let's not forget this little gem:

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"Wizard777 (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-15-08 12:39 PM
Response to Reply #33
47. I don't see this as pedophilia. The pathology is totally different.
This is what your not understanding. What people object to is the age difference. In my example when that woman was 14 I was 40. If we had sex then I would be a pedophile. But that age difference never goes away. So why is it unacceptable at 14 and 40? But perfectly acceptable at 50 and 76. I'm still older and more experienced. I can still provide her with a lifestyle someone her own age probably couldn't."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3159730#3160596
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It helps to know the mindset that you're arguing with...

[Richard Steele]

30. Thanks for that "heads up", Ghost. Very useful perspective there. nm

[Ghost in the Machine]

59. Glad to help out. People need to know what they're up against..

At first I thought he was just playing around, but he's obviously very serious... which is scary.

Someone who doesn't know the difference between the educational, emotional, mental and physical maturity of a 14 year old girl and a 50 year old woman shouldn't be around either of them, imho.

That's just creepy...

[Wizard777]

69. This is where you are lacking in your psychiatry.

Emotional developement end at 16. Any maturity that you do not possess at 16 you will not possess at 60. The only exception is that traumatic events can make you a little older and wiser.

[Ghost in the Machine]

71. You shouldn't pull statements out of your ass... because they stink..

This is where you are lacking in your psychiatry.
Posted by Wizard777
Emotional developement end at 16. Any maturity that you do not possess at 16 you will not possess at 60. The only exception is that traumatic events can make you a little older and wiser.

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OoooooooooKKkkkkkkkkk.... I don't give a damn if it *is* 11:30 on a friday night... I'm nominating that reply for a DUzy!

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Findings
1.The emotional intelligence of supporting staff increases as age progresses. This is similar to the comparison of Salovey and Mayers’s (1990) study that in an evaluation of more than 3000 men and women of ages varying from teens to 50’s, revealed small but steady and significant increases in emotional intelligence with advancing age. Further a peak was observed in the 40’s age group. They confirmed that emotional intelligence developed with increasing age and experience as a person progressed from childhood to adulthood.

2. Emotional maturity tends to be the after an age of 40. This seems too similar to Mayer’s study (1990) where a peak was observed in the 40’s age group and thereafter similar.

3. There is a significant difference in the perception of emotional intelligence with respect to male and female supporting staff. Though men and women have are equal in their ability to increase emotional intelligence, women tend to be stronger than men on competencies based on empathy and self regulation.

4. Emotional Sensitivity increases as age increases and vice versa. This may be due to the reason that age progression increases experience with life and henceforth increases interpretation of human expression and responding to them with sensitivity and empathy.

{snip}

Conclusion:

The good news about emotional intelligence is that, unlike IQ, it can be improved throughout the life. In a serendipitous fashion, life often innumerable chances to tone our emotions competence. In a normal course of a lifetime emotional intelligence tends to increase as we learn to be more aware of feelings, effectively handle distressing emotions, to listen and empathize. To a greater extent, people become more mature as they become more sensitive to the feeling to others.

http://www.pharmainfo.net/reviews/study-emotional-intelligence-health-care-industry

[Wizard777]

72. That doesn't actually contradict my point.

Once you hit 16 you are pretty much who you are and who you are gonna be. Like I said. Yes there can be and are changes after that. They usually come from traumatic events. Like discovering all those wonderful Constitutional freedoms you learned about in school were little more than lies. Traumatic events like seeing planes hit the WTC's. I think the entire country underwent a change in emotional maturity on that day.

[Ghost in the Machine]

83. Only if you're stupid it doesn't, otherwise it *completely* contradicts your point...

Are you an eggplant that has learned how to type? It seems like it to me...

[Dorian Gray]

92. Where the hell did you learn that?

At the Michael Savage school of idiocy?

Good Lord!

[uppityperson]

94. For some of you, yes. For most of us, we continue to mature as we age.

That is a problem with some of you, being stuck at emotional age 16. That's why we need to have some laws, to protect us against this sort.

[Wizard777]

35. Not at all. The age difference never goes away.

Do you really think you can catch up with me age wise? That was also in response to you guys trying to expand pedophillia into something it's not.

[Ghost in the Machine]

60. And I repeat...

Someone who doesn't know the difference between the educational, emotional, mental and physical maturity of a 14 year old girl and a 50 year old woman shouldn't be around either of them, imho.

That's just creepy...

[Honeycombe8]

97. It is not the age difference that is the problem. It is the fact that one is a child...

children, or minors (whichever term is used), are incapable of making a decision to have sex. That is why the government has laws protecting them.

That the perpetrator of the sex abuse is a middle aged person just adds to the "eeewwwww" factor.

[Marrah_G]

39. His posts are disgusting and disturbing

Not even worth responding to his insane ranting.

[Ghost in the Machine]

61. Well, we *know* we can't change his mindset... At 76, he's pretty set in his ways, I'd bet...

But it never hurts to try to reach out to them a couple of times, anyways. Never know *when* someone could have an epiphany... or something.

[Midlodemocrat]

40. I can still provide her with a lifestyle someone her own age probably couldn't."

Does that include Viagra and diapers? Just curious.

[Wizard777]

46. Nope. Still got all my own teeth too.

[Ghost in the Machine]

62. Heh! Sounds like what I told him, too...

here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3159730#3161820

[girl gone mad]

86. He's a..

6'11" 76 year old in near perfect health who can't spell and writes and thinks like a teenager.

About as real as those little guys that live under bridges... what are they called again?

[Honeycombe8]

98. True. He can provide her with a bleak future with an old, wrinkled body...

and a sexual experience that cannot compare with what it would be like for her to be with a young man. He can also ensure that her days are not filled with excitement and laughter and energetic gaiety. He can also ensure that there will be no exciting nature hikes through miles of woods, no day-long canoeing excursions (middle aged men's arms can't row that long), no skin on skin romp in damp sand on a hot beach after a day of surfing. She will not experience the thrill of her young man as he exits the shower in the summertime, with his tan skin glowing, and his teeth breaking white against his firm tan jawline. She will not sit in the sun with him and admire the way a golden strand of his normally medium brown hair floats across his forehead, for this middle aged man's locks are gray and drab.

Which is why these old, wrinkled men with sagging balls develop fetishes for virgins. So the girls don't know what they're missing.

[Cerridwen]

33. You fail to note that the TX authorities, the police, I believe,

have been putting a case together for four years and that they've had an informant inside during that time. It was in one of the links I provided in my thread. I suspected you hadn't bothered to read them.

This is hardly a CPS only move.

[Honeycombe8]

96. But the main goal is to protect the children, right? Right.

If an anonymous call tips the government off that a child might be in harm's way, that would be preferable to no tipoff at all, right? If in fact the child might be in harm's way (like youngsters being forced into having sex with adults, which is called sex abuse).

We all are MAINLY concerned with the safety of our most vulnerable, our most innocent, our most defenseless in our society: the children. We are not MAINLY concerned with the safety of adults, who, by virtue of being adults, are in a much better position to protect themselves.

So we are all after the same thing. Safety for the children. Even if there is only a possibility that a child is being harmed.

[Wizard777]

7. So it's perfectly okay to defend CPS Foster Care child murderers?

These links confirm that they've killed dozens in atrocious way. Not only by starvation and other abuses. But they have killed them in medical experimentations. You can't even do that to POW's. By what moral or ethical system do you justify doing that to children entrusted to your care?I think the real question is what's CPS's kill ratio? That's a hell of motto for CPS. We save the children we don't kill.......or rape.......or get pergnant.

[WildClarySage]

9. They don't confirm shit. They accuse.

CPS cannot comment on these cases to defend themselves from these accusations. I've worked with enough social service professionals through my work with abused women to know that reunification is always the ideal goal, that taking children from an abusive home is a last necessary resort, and that they are swamped with cases thanks to a society that sees women and children as throwaways. Abusive parents are eager to focus blame elsewhere, and social workers who can't comment on cases are an easy target.

[Wizard777]

15. They confirm. Guilty of capitol murder and felony child abuse.

http://www.hope4kidz.org/stories/kayla/k_a.html">The foster parents can defend themselves in court.

That's the problem with stoping this crime at the CPS stage. You can't take CPS to court because of their immunity. That immunity needs to go. There are three elements to a crime. Motive, opportunity, and ability. If you provide any ONE of those three elements. You are an accessory to that crime. CPS provided this murderer with the opportunity to kill the child when they placed the child with her. CPS are accessories to this murder.

[WildClarySage]

18. I'm confused. Your link seems to be proving MY point.

CPS (actually, NC DSS in this case) was contacted about a home situation in which the child was living with her aunt and DSS did not remove the child as they perhaps should have. She was not "placed" with her caretaker by CPS. Under your proposed rules, if they had reported the suspected abuse but DSS/CPS did not find sufficient evidence of abuse, they would have been charged with a felony. Did you even read that link?

Sounds so much to me like you want it both ways.

[Wizard777]

22. CXPS Should have worked to keep this family together.

Nicole Allen, Kayla's biological mother who lost parental rights to Kayla in April 2003, said she was disgusted with the jury's decision.

"Twelve more people have let Kayla down," she said with tears in her eyes. "I let her down. Social Services let her down, the system let her down. And now (the jurors) have let Kayla down."

[marshall]

28. The halls of the Texas high school where I taught were full of pregnant girls

There were over 60 girls in the program for pregnant girls--not all of them were in high school, some were in junior high. And this is a medium size school district, not a big city school. I'm sure CPS would have had a field day rounding them all up if they had chosen to raid us.

[Wizard777]

38. The FLDS's has a 2% teen pregnancy rate.

I know a lot of cities that would like know how they do that. I do mean that in all sences.

[Richard Steele]

47. Don't smell your fingers, because you pulled that "statistic" out of your ASS.

Your desperate attempts to DEFEND these modern-day slavers
are sick and disturbing. I can't help but wonder what fuels them.

[Wizard777]

51. Do the math.

300 women at the compund. 6 under the age 18 that are pregnant or have given birth. That's a 2% teen pregnancy rate.

There's about 500 lawyers out there also defending them. No I don't know what the lawyers teen pregnancy rate is. I'm guessing ZERO. I don't know of any teen lawyers.

[Richard Steele]

57. What's your point? That raping kids is OK as long as not many get pregnant?

Seriously: what does that have to do with this case?

And why are you so DESPERATELY grasping at straws
to defend these people?

[girl gone mad]

73. That's 2% of the total women,

not 2% of the teenage population.

Try again.

[LisaL]

75. They actually removed 416 children (those under 18).

Of those, six or five (in custody right now) are said to be either pregnant or already have children.
Do the math.
It's actually less than 2 %.

[girl gone mad]

85. 416 CHILDREN.

Not 416 teenage girls.

Wow, a lot of people here would fail elementary statistics.

[uppityperson]

87. How many of those are teenaged girls?

Taking away the males, and the non-teenage girls, you get more than 2% teen pregnancy rate (which is what this subthread is talking about).

[Dorian Gray]

93. Your statistics are way off base....

300 women. How many of those women are teenagers? Because you have to use THAT number to find the TEEN pregnancy rate.

[strategery blunder]

12. What's really fucked up...

Kids who face abuse at home, but keep the secret because they fear CPS will be worse. :(

I was one such kid (who did NOT have it near as bad as the abuse stories that "make the news," but was beaten sometimes), I could have gone to teachers for help but feared asking for help because of all of the stories on the evening news about kids under CPS care having even worse things happen to them. :(

[Wizard777]

16. In all reality it's really a roll of the dice.

Your a youngin. CPS didn't begin until,I think, 1971. You could have ended up with some really wonderful parents. You could have just as easily ended up another case on one of these sites. These are just the stories that haven't been supressed.

When you say "beaten." Are you talking fist fight or spanking? I can assure you the only thing worse than the belt is the buckle. Did my father abuse me? Hell no! He taught this wild child some valuable life lessons. We've all got our sob stories. Mine begins with me being born on the tail end of the great depression. :nopity: Lifes a bitch and then you get over it. I think the sooner you learn that in life. The better off you are. So most importantly how are you doing NOW?

[strategery blunder]

56. I am talking a fist fight. When I was too small to defend myself.

I was beaten not for disciplinary reasons, but because I unfortunately happened to be in the same house when my parents were arguing. Fortunately for me, the beatings were usually limited to the frequency of aforesaid arguments.

How am I doing now? I'm 22 and it's no longer an issue. Let's leave it at that.

[fasttense]

17. I've worked with abusive people,

I've dealt with people who torture and have sex with their toddlers, children and stepchildren, without a twinge of regret. They always, always blame the Social Worker or authority that comes in and takes away their victims. Abusers keep their mouths shut and carefully coach their victims on what to say. I've never seen an abuser who admits that what they did was wrong and voluntarily gives up their victims.

Abusers always cry and scream about how awful CPS is, all the while ignoring the cries and screams of their victims. Abusers are believable too, because they spend their entire lives trying to find their next victim. If they don't develop some pretty awesome communication skills, then they have trouble finding and holding their next victim.

The CPS system is not perfect, but no government institutions is, especially with repukes in charge. But the alternative of leaving a suffering and bruised child in the hands of an abuser is just to horrible to allow.

[Cerridwen]

24. Not for the poster to whom you replied.

He's been making a point of defending this (dial up warning) all over the board these last couple of days.

"Methinks the {gentleman} doth protest too much" {to paraphrase}

[Name removed]

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Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Wizard777]

26. Sure CPS isn't perfect. But niether are parent.

I have absolutely seen CPS make parents jump through hoop after hoop after hoop. It what seems be a never ending process in which they are demnding you become a perfect parent before they give the kids back. Then when the parents started to fight back. The Social Worker told them "As far I'm concerned there is no such thing as a fit parent and you will never see your kids again." This all started on a false complaint.

Btw, they got the kids back and super bitch doesn't work for CPS anymore. She should have paid attention to the sticker I put on their front door that said, You are being recorded. If it wasn't for CPS immunity. She would have went to jail.

[gollygee]

25. There's around a 100% chance that any girls in the FLDS will be victims of rape

there is some chance that they will be in foster care, but not as high as if they stay with their families.

[Cerridwen]

27. Let me see if I understand the point you're making,

CPS is not pure so therefore they should have no authority on this issue; does that about sum it up?

M'kay. Please, point to an entity that is pure enough to have jurisdiction. The police? They're pure, right? The local churches? I'm sure they're all pure and have no skeletons in their collective closet. The general public? No impurities there. The IRS?; those paragons of virtue? The medical establishment who have never shown themselves flawed? Hell, by the standards you're using to justify this group's actions, Jesus Christ himself wouldn't be pure enough to deal with them.

Again, I'll ask you to point to an agency pure enough, in your estimation, to deal with this issue since it covers welfare fraud, tax fraud, kidnapping, child labor, child abuse, rape, scientifically proven incest, and you know the list.

You refuse to listen to the survivors and those who helped rescue them or who took them in after the fact. You refuse to see the decades this has been reported. You refuse to see the words quoted by complicit politicians who acknowledge, at the very least, the illegal practice of bigamy and polygamy. Refusing to see what is put before you is one thing. Another is defending what you see.

Why do you defend these people? What other practices do you defend in the name of "religious freedom"? Do you defend the "christians'" right to go after homosexuals? Do you defend the flds racist teachings? Do you defend the right of the falwells and robertsons of the world who spew hatred in the name of "religion"? Or do you just defend the imprisonment, rape, kidnapping, and abuse of women and children?

[Wizard777]

34. Why are you willing foregive the sins, flaws, and impurities of everyone in the world.

Except the FLDS. After forgiving or overlooking or what ever far more heinous crimes against children. You want to hold the FLDS acountable to the Nth degree. Everyone get a pass on child abuse. BUT the FLDS. Some how this is not regious persecution. Uh huh.

[Cerridwen]

43. I'll get back to you. I have to leave for work.

In the meantime, I'd really appreciate it if you'd stop putting words in my mouth.

It's getting very old.

You're starting to sound as though you are flds. warren jeffs, is that you?

Call this a hit and run post; cause I gotta run.

[Wizard777]

49. Have fun see you when you get back.

How about we make a deal? Well call a truce You guys stop trying to put words in my mouth, twist my position into something they are not, and quit with the hatchet jobs. I'll quit trying to put words in your mouth, twist your positions into something they are not, and quit with the hatchet jobs. For God sakes keep the religion out of it. My grandmother was a grand crone with a world wide coven. Her contemperaries were Crowley and Blavatsky. So I know what it's like to have family secrets and a fear of persecution. If you keep the religion out of it. You can't possibly persecute them for it. Hell I'm not running for anything. All titles I hold are not revokable by any earthly authority.

I've seen your thread. I understand where these kids are comming from. You need to understand where they could be going to. It may not be any better and it could be a whole lot worse. Some of them could actually luck out and get damned good parent. Because of the shere volume of children and the luck of the draw. A lot of them will end up being victims again. From what I'm seeing. It wouldn't surprize me if at least 5 died or were killed.

[seabeyond]

29. do you really think this is an argument to leave children to be raped, abused by

their parents.

sad wizard, and not even smart

problems with system, address it on its own merit, not as excuse to leave children in abusive homes.

[Iris]

42. Not to mention that the media scrutiny alone gives some safety net to what's going on in TX

I'm sure the authorities are stepping very carefully.

[seabeyond]

44. it seems to me texas is dottin their i's and crossin their t's.

they appear to be walking this professionally and i wont fault that. i say thanks, that's your job. now time for utah and az to do their job

[Wizard777]

52. I don't know how you can say that after they held Hearsayfest 2008 yesterday.

But I can say this. If they aren't careful they could violate the Convention on Genocide.

[seabeyond]

55. stand with the abusers in the name of constitution. i watch people stand in hate in the name of the

lord. same thing wizard. you fool no one except maybe yourself. though i dont know if you are even fooling yourself.

[Iris]

65. hmmm. Interesting.

Preventing teenage girls from having babies violates the Convention on Genocide. I wonder if that was its intent?

[Wizard777]

50. It would be great if Anderson Cooper could keep them honest and in the process safe.

[Wizard777]

45. Hell No! But if are going to take them from their parents.

You absolutely have an obligation to put then in a better home. Where is the sence of taking them from their parents where they being raped and place them in a foster home where they are raped or even worse murdered. In the rape there is no change in the welfare. In the murder their welfare goes right through the floor. If you can't do better. It's best to leave them with the family and work with the family. If the men are indeed raping the woman. That's a crime. They have to go to jail for that. Yes I'm still a rotten SOB that wants proof.

[seabeyond]

48. you can now rest..... those children are in good care and being watched to assure

no other abuse is being done to them.

[LanternWaste]

32. Yeah... I remember when I was a caseworker for TX CPS

Yeah... I remember when I was a caseworker for TX CPS our only goal was to kidnap your children and eat them (broiled of course) for brunch.

Who saves the kids from Psycho Fundies? Six of one half a dozen of the other...

[seabeyond]

36. you know... isnt this the stupidest argument to leave kids in abusive environments

lordy

:hi:

happy friday

[seabeyond]

37. btw, working in cps, hard job. i have thought over years

going back to school to get degree to work in that environment solely to help children.... families and still i get to place in mind, too many people are unhelpable. they dont want to leave their misery, for their reasons.

but i bet you have had experiences.

[LanternWaste]

41. It's not a nice job.

It's not a nice job. There are images in my head I'll never be able to exorcise. High burn out rate too. Not too many case workers last more than three or four years. One of those things we try not to think about.

But thankfully, there were a few times that I actually felt like I did an Absolute Good.

But as there's an ass-hat posting crap about CPS and stuff he has no direct experience with, I thought maybe it might be helpful to remind people there's another side of the window to look through rather than the one, myopic, stained, and dusty side he presented us with.

:hi: backatcha! Have a great weekend!

[Wizard777]

53. Yes but unlike CPS. FLDS has a birth right to those children.

[LanternWaste]

58. Yeah? Well, I still wanna kidnap kids and broil them for brunch.

Yeah? Well, I still wanna kidnap kids and broil them for brunch.

And to equal all the relevance (and sense) of your post, I suppose FLDS has a birth right to abuse and rape them too...


I'm sure you still think the TX compound episode is an "OMG!!! The State (sorry, "STATE!!!") is declaring war on Religion and all our other FREEDOMS!!" argument.

It ain't, pal.

We're arguing against rape. We're arguing against child abuse. We're arguing against brain-washing.

Parents give up their birth-rights the moment they begin to abuse those they gave birth to. Sorry if you think that's an assault on your religion.

[kestrel91316]

64. WRONG. Children are not property. Neither are women.

[Iris]

66. What does that even mean?

Does it mean they can treat them however they like?

[gollygee]

67. I guess it means if someone is going to rape the kids

it should be one of them. They have first dibs.

*sigh*

[Wizard777]

81. No this is the easiest way I know to explain birth right.

Miss how do you know that child is yours? I gave birth to him you idiot. A child belongs to the couple that conceived and birthed the child. There is no arguing birth right. Though the parental rights that birth right begins may now be terminated by law.

[uppityperson]

88. Yes, but unlike FLDS, CPS has a legal right to protect those children.

[snooper2]

54. you still sticking up for the pervs...

Bravo, at least you stick by your convictions, however misguided they may be.

[REP]

63. I Have a Question, Mr Wizard

If you are indeed from the generation you claim to be, why can't you spell or form grammatically correct sentences?

[Wizard777]

68. Linguistics and Communications.

A lot of it is typo. I'm 6' 11" I have big fingers and lil keys. I have yet to find a big and tall computer shop. Some of it is the spelling equivalent of old math and new math. When I was going to school It was speach not speech. But we learned English and it was the Kings English. These days you do not speak english. You speak American which is an esperanto formed of many languages(redundancy noted). If you want to disprove that please translate the Mexican word "Taco" to it's english equivalent. Some of it is the fact that I am in my declining years. I have noticed that at times I have problems distinguishing between words that end in ible and able. This is further complicated by fact that I will debate on as many as 4 to 6 boards simultaneously. When I can concentrate on 1 board. My spelling greatly improves. Also In blogging we tend to blurb. Grammatical rules don't apply to blurbs.

In my theological pursuits I have to had to learn many ancient and dead languages. Even pictographic languages like Hieroglyphics. Is it Ra after ankh when floating down the river? LOL. I've learned Latin, Greek, Sanskrit, Pahlavi, Avestan, and Kusti. Over the years I have also picked up on neolinguistic in attempts to communicate with my 50 God children. In my day it it was the bees knees. I then it was cool. That became groovy and even far out. Which was proceeded by wicked, awesome, and tubular. Now everything is phat fo' shizzle. Also the vulgate is my favorite part of any language. When you know so many grammatical rules. Many of which are conflicting. At some point you rebel and say to hell with them all.

Did that help clear things up for you? Now I'm going back to the other 5 boards.

[girl gone mad]

74. You're a 6'11" septuagenarian?

That's gotta be a world record of some kind. I've never heard of any male that tall living that long.

[Wizard777]

76. Actually I used to be 6' 11".

Now I'm about 6' 9" with my slouch to take weight off my back. I can straighten up to about 6' 10". My spinal column is collapsing. The spongy tissue that hold the vertibrae apart are wearing away. Eventually gravity always wins. Though I am considered to be a giant because I'm over 6' 7". I don't have giganticism like Andre the Giant. I'm perfectly perportionate. I don't have the protruding brow or anything like that. When God made me he was just thinking big. LMAO

It was hell growing up. Because I always towered over the other kids. Once a man was walking down the street and saw me playing with my friends. He said, Hey! aren't you a little old to be playing with those kids? What are you a retard? One of my friends spun around and said, Mister, he's the youngest one here and if you make him cry we're gonna kick your butt! I've always been a gentle Giant. I guess it's the big heart.

[girl gone mad]

78. You've managed to yank a lot of chains around here.

Seems like you could find something better to do with your time.

[Wizard777]

79. I am an infamous chain yanker.

Yes, it is annoying at first. But in time people ultimately realize that what I actually do is challenge people and make them think. At least that is what I've been told on other boards. What is really weird is here in Md. durring our RCC sex abuse scandal. A kid shot his priest after the priest refused to appologize for abusing him. I defended the kid against an overwhelming sentiment of lock him up and throw away the key. I was getting a lot of HOW DARE YOU DEFEND this criminal. So that crap just rolls off my back like water off a ducks ass. The kid wasn't a criminal. He was a victim and that was his only avenue for justice. His parents filed a complaint against the priest with the police. The police covered it up. Destroyed the reporting documents and refused to investigate. The kid got probation for gun charges. But was found not guilty for shooting the priest. It was jury nulification. He broke the law in shooting the priest. But the jury refused to convict him for it. Pope John Paul II excommunicated teh priest as sort of a Christmas present to Baltimore. God bless him.

[REP]

77. Smells like something I'd wipe off my shoe if I stepped in it

I was raised by people who were actually born when you say you were (and before). You are spewing rubbish. I doubt you were born much after I graduated high school - or college, for that matter.

[Wizard777]

80. You graduated in 1931? I think you're the one spewing rubbing here.

Because those people that raised you would have taught you to respect your elders.

[U4ikLefty]

82. Spewing "rubbing"? Do you mean "rubbish"?

Rubbing is what the FLDS do to thier children at night. Rubbish is what you speak when you defend them.

I tend to think that you would have learned to spell since 1931.

[Ghost in the Machine]

95. !!!

:spray: :rofl:

[Wizard777]

70. What is the problem with eliminating CPS Immunity and making false complaints a felony?

Keep in mind there is a difference between an unsubstantiated complaint and a false complaint.

This is an unsubstantiated complaint. You call CPS and tell them you have seen a bruise on child and you believe the child is being abused. CPS Investigates they find that the family has a rambunctious dog that knocked the child down causing the bruise.

This is a false complaint. You call CPS and say I saw the father raping (vaginal penetration) the child. CPS removes the child for a physical examination. They find the hymen intact. There is no way you could have seen the father raping the child. Why shouldn't you be charged for this malicious act? Why shouldn't that charge be a felony?

[pitohui]

84. what's your option? eating abused children for breakfast?

weakening CPS means that more kids will be beaten, raped, and taken out of school to work by their own PARENTS

i saw it myself in the "good old days"

[Dorian Gray]

89. Give it a rest, Wizard....

you are really on a tear right now, trying to bring down the evil CPS workers while upholding the good and pure FLDS.