Freeper History 101 -- Iraq Is Just Like The Philippines!

[K8-EEE]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2003556/posts#comment

LOL, and sooo.....how did the Philippines debacle work out for us??

OMG....talk about grasping for increasingly weird "reasons" to stay in Iraq, a 1900 Teddy Roosevelt speech? And they seem completely ignorant of the outcome of that little conflict!

[bluerum]

1. Operative phrase: "completely ignorant".

[Wickerman]

2. Oh, you mean the terrorist haven?

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9365/

Has the al-Qaeda terrorist network been active in the Philippines?
Yes. In January 2002, Philippine authorities apprehended an Indonesian suspected of involvement in al-Qaeda plots against American targets in Singapore. And in 1995, police in Manila, the Philippine capital, discovered an apartment rented to Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, a radical Islamist terrorist later convicted in U.S. federal court of masterminding the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. In the apartment, the police found bomb-making ingredients, as well as plans to assassinate Pope John Paul II, crash an airplane into CIA headquarters, and simultaneously blow up eleven U.S. passenger jetliners over the Pacific Ocean. In March 2003, the Kuwaiti-born terrorist Khalid Shaikh Mohammed—Yousef’s uncle and one of his co-conspirators in the Manila plots—was captured in Pakistan and accused of masterminding the September 11 attacks.

[notesdev]

3. They have no idea

the actual history behind that war. The two wars are so different that the only thing that one could possibly use to make a connection between them is that the were both wars.

If they did know the history then that would be the LAST example they would use. The US wasn't in the right in that war, and nobody today even pretends that we had a leg to stand on.

[Mountainman]

4. i noticed there are only 8 replies to the freeper OP. I think freeper numbers are going down.

[caledesi]

5. I hope so...sick of hitting IGNORE. NT

[notesdev]

6. Education time!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine-American_War

for grim amusement, scroll down to the part labeled "atrocities".

[chknltl]

7. I wonder what those freepers would think of Mark Twain's reaction

"I have read carefully the treaty of Paris, and I have seen that we do not intend to free, but to subjugate the people of the Philippines. We have gone there to conquer, not to redeem. It should, it seems to me, be our pleasure and duty to make those people free, and let them deal with their own domestic questions in their own way. And so I am an anti-imperialist. I am opposed to having the eagle put its talons on any other land."-Mark Twain
on edit source: Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Anti-Imperialist_League

[Parche]

8. My Response

"Americans voted for Bush over Kerry in a time of war."

America is NOT at war, you see, if you read the Constitution, only Congress can declare war, and they have not.
Iraq was an illegal invasion, based on lies and deceit.
So when you say that we are at 'war' you are either telling a lie, or extremely misinformed

[SalmonChantedEvening]

9. So MacArthur retreated to the Suez?

This is all so confusing :rofl:

[enid602]

10. Phillipines

Don't tell them, but we don't 'own' the Phillipines anymore.

[Bucky]

11. The US beat the Philippine insurrection thru harsh violence and...

... then by President Roosevelt just up and announcing that we'd won. The media cooperatively quit reporting on all the killing and fighting that continued to go on there for the next 4 years--including a couple of civilian massacres described by Mark Twain and by virtually no other reporters.

We pacified the Philippines by building civic improvements that actually stood up and by putting local leaders actually in charge of their own country. Plus we set and followed a calendar for withdrawal. No one was stupid enough to talk about keeping troops there for "50, maybe 100 years."

[kenny blankenship]

12. Meaning: they will learn to love us after we kill a million or so of them

and they come to understand our peace loving ways.

[ashling]

13. Back then they called it "the water cure"

A.F.Miller, 32nd Volunteer Infantry, wrote a letter home which was published in the Omaha-World Herald telling of how his unit had uncovered hidden weapons by subjecting a prisoner to what he and others called the "water cure."

"Now this is the way we give them the water cure," he explained, "Lay them on their backs, a man standing on each hand and each foot, then put a round stick in the mouth, and pour a pail of water in the mouth and nose, and if they don't give up pour in another pail. They swell up like toads. I'll tell you, its a terrible torture."

This is an excerpt from an article by Paul Kramer in the New Yorker, 2-25-08 (any errors are a result of my type "o" personality:) )