Ok. Just saw a Pelosi/Gingrich commercial

[AteAlien]

Talking about getting snuggly together about global warming. I can see through their crap. Can you?

[Donnachaidh]

1. Pelosi is doing commercials with NEWT?

WTF???? :grr:

[AteAlien]

4. Yep. Watching Olberman

and they were sitting on a couch looking at each other like lovers

[hatrack]

2. Are endorsing the new 17-Year "Do Nothing" plan Chimpy rolled out the other day?

Or do they take turns fellating an ear of corn and talking about environmentally friendly biofuels?

:eyes:

[SeattleGirl]

3. Actually, I think that's one of Al Gore's commercials about global warming.

I haven't seen that one, but I did see the one with Al Sharpton and Pat Robertson yesterday.

I actually think it's kind of clever -- taking people from opposite ends of the political/social sides, and putting them together to talk about global warming.

Edited to add: Yep, that's what it was.

Link: http://tvdecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/global-warming-creates-odd-couples/index.html?ex=1364616000&en=10515c7da4d21dac&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

[YDogg]

5. who the hell thought this was a good idea?

:shrug:

why associate with known assholes?

[AteAlien]

7. my thoughts exactly nt

[Lorien]

14. Al Gore n/t

[OzarkDem]

24. I agree with John Edwards

To paraphrase him, if Dem leaders think they can sit at the table and negotiate with Republicans and get them to give up their power and do the right thing, they're living in a fantasy world.

[babylonsister]

6. Here's the commercial:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi6n_-wB154

Posted here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=385

[AteAlien]

9. thank you! nt

[spanone]

32. there's one with al sharpton and pat robertson....made me throw up

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NhmpsUMdTH8

[Bensthename]

8. Newt should be jailed in a 5 ft squared box for life..

His diarhea of the mouth is horrible. Worst then Limbaugh, Hannity, and Oreilly combined..

[Lint Head]

10. Well, she won't impeach and prosecute an obvious

criminal why would you expect anything different. :dem:

[Matariki]

11. From the same campaign as the Al Sharpton / Pat Robertson commercial

on edit: http://hamptonroads.com/2008/03/gore-robertson-and-sharpton-hit-beach-commercial

[magellan]

28. That one I've seen

...and I wondered how much they had to pay those two to sit together on the same couch. Because with all the harm Robertson's done, you couldn't pay me enough to convince me to sit with him unless I could also trounce on his head when we were done.

Then I wondered whether they had to be paid at all, which made me even angrier.

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12. focus on the greater (greatest!) issue people...

the We campaign & the Alliance for Climate Protection:

The We campaign is a project of the Alliance for Climate Protection. Unprecedented in scale for a public policy issue, the Alliances We campaign draws from the best practices of successful commercial, social marketing and political campaigns. The campaign combines advertising, online organizing and partnerships with a diverse and growing group of grassroots organizations, to educate the American public on the urgent need to solve the climate crisis and activate them to demand real solutions from elected officials. The Alliance for Climate Protection is a 501(c)(3) organization founded in 2006 by former Vice President Al Gore, who currently serves as the chairman of the bipartisan board of directors. Building on the momentum of the Academy Award winning film, "An Inconvenient Truth," the Alliance engages individuals, communities, corporations and governments across the world to take action to quickly reduce their own greenhouse pollution and to demand action from their political, business and community leaders to enact policies that will sharply reduce emissions.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080418/pl_usnw/house_speakers_pelosi_and_gingrich_come_together_to_promote_action_on_climate_change

[Lorien]

13. Yep. Even if the message comes from a couple of hypocrites

that doesn't diminish the fact that it is THE issue that will determine the fate of life on earth.

[AteAlien]

15. I just can't take looking past the hypocrisy any more

I just can't do it. It all seems so unreal to me.

[Lorien]

16. So if those two said "The earth revolves around the sun" we should

disagree? I'm really not into the whole "attack the messenger" thing. The issue is much too important. We will need bipartisan action to save ourselves and millions of other species on this planet if we're to have any hope at all.

[AteAlien]

26. I'm looking beyond the superficial message

and remembering what these people have stood for, or not stood for as it is, over the decades.

I believed in the democratic congress until Pelosi immediately pissed away everything the dems were voted in to accomplish.

I don't trust either one of them now.

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22. "Even if the message comes from a couple of hypocrites"

i think that is the larger point. they are going to present the concept using all sorts of opposite folks, either of which any of us might have a problem with.

i might absolutely hate that one, and like or feel indifferent to the other one.

PERHAPS! it might plant the seed that this is not a political issue.


it is a matter of survival.



personally i think this is genius and i salute the effort. i think it is one of those "fuck with their heads" campaigns that will move the ball forward a little bit. we all want sweeping changes to solve our problems. these fine folks know that gains are made in baby steps.

good for them...

[OzarkDem]

25. Yes, its a matter of survival

that's why Dems shouldn't allow the GOP to compromise their power away to make a difference. The only way to get Republicans to go along on real solutions to issues like global warming or health care reform is if you put a boot on their neck.

We should have learned that by now.

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27. wow. ok, flame me but...

i don't care who starts the solving of this problem. it needs to be solved.

but to ease your mind, this is al gores' initiative that is making these ads. i think al gore knows more about how to get this message across than any poster here.

so, be pissed if you want. i'll defer to the one person who is actually making it happen. and i'll trust mr. gores' judgement on this one...

[OzarkDem]

18. Sorry, we learned the hard way

not to trust Gingrich. I recall he pulled a similar publicity stunt before Congress was strong-armed into passing legislation for the disastrous Medicare Part D bill.

Do not trust that man. Ever.

[fed_up_mother]

20. We don't have to trust him!

But the ad is a clever way of getting common folks in both parties to WAKE UP and start thinking about what we are doing to this planet. It's just an ad - it's not another contract on America!

[OzarkDem]

23. Pelosi trusts him

and her presence representing the Dem party leadership sends the wrong message to the public.

Sorry, but I think its a bad move, the kind of trap Gingrich and his GOP pals love to lure weak Dem leaders into. They never win in these situations, I suppose they're not smart enough to figure it out.

[OzarkDem]

17. Very offensive, Pelosi is a disgrace

Why in the world would she want to go on record agreeing with Newt of all people on global warming?

Its inexcusable. I'm a Democrat and she doesn't speak for me.

[Beregond2]

19. These ads make me cringe too,

but I see the point. It is important for people to begin thinking of this as a non-partisan issue, and if these ads help, I'm willing to swallow my bile.

[fed_up_mother]

21. Yes, I agree.

[hatrack]

29. Oops! Too late! Thanks for playing!!

EDIT

Russian polar scientists have strong evidence that the first stages of melting are underway. They've studied largest shelf sea in the world, off the coast of Siberia, where the Asian continental shelf stretches across an underwater area six times the size of Germany, before falling off gently into the Arctic Ocean. The scientists are presenting their data from this remote, thinly-investigated region at the annual conference of the European Geosciences Union this week in Vienna.

In the permafrost bottom of the 200-meter-deep sea, enormous stores of gas hydrates lie dormant in mighty frozen layers of sediment. The carbon content of the ice-and-methane mixture here is estimated at 540 billion tons. "This submarine hydrate was considered stable until now," says the Russian biogeochemist Natalia Shakhova, currently a guest scientist at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks who is also a member of the Pacific Institute of Geography at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Vladivostok. The permafrost has grown porous, says Shakhova, and already the shelf sea has become "a source of methane passing into the atmosphere." The Russian scientists have estimated what might happen when this Siberian permafrost-seal thaws completely and all the stored gas escapes. They believe the methane content of the planet's atmosphere would increase twelvefold. "The result would be catastrophic global warming," say the scientists. The greenhouse-gas potential of methane is 20 times that of carbon dioxide, as measured by the effects of a single molecule.

Shakhova and her colleagues gathered evidence for the loss of rigor in the frozen sea floor in a measuring campaign during the Siberian summer. The seawater proved to be "highly oversaturated with solute methane," reports Shakhova. In the air over the sea, greenhouse-gas content was measured in some places at five times normal values. "In helicopter flights over the delta of the Lena River, higher methane concentrations have been measured at altitudes as high as 1,800 meters," she says.

EDIT

Data from offshore drilling in the region, studied by experts at the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research (AWI), also suggest that the situation has grown critical. AWI's results show that permafrost in the flat shelf is perilously close to thawing. Three to 12 kilometers from the coast, the temperature of sea sediment was -1 to -1.5 degrees Celsius, just below freezing. Permafrost on land, though, was as cold as -12.4 degrees Celsius. "That's a drastic difference and the best proof of a critical thermal status of the submarine permafrost," said Shakhova.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x143720

Edit: Original link at Der Spiegel:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,547976,00.html

[John Crighton]

30. Why do Democrats hate Newt?

Newt Gingrich is one of the primary Republican Congressmen responsible for NAFTA and other Free Trade Agreements. Is that why Democrats hate Newt?

[Wizard777]

31. I was right! Impeachments off the table and Pelosi is off her rocker.

:crazy: She's on the couch with Gingrich. That's the proof. Politics make strange couch fellows? Here's to hoping Shirley makes Nancy a full time couch tatter.