So, lets be realistic

[bonito]

How Can Cheney and the neocons with what we know http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3188769 let Obama win the White House in November, my guess he won't, even by popular demand, I feel very strongly Cheney & co will prevent Obama form becoming president.

[tekisui]

1. Cheney can't live forever, and we can't fear him.

His power is only as great as what is given him.

[rhett o rick]

13. I am not sure he can't live forever. Didn't Darth Vader live forever? nm

[rwheeler31]

2. Let' not go there.

[LakeSamish706]

3. There are only three ways they could prevent an Obama Presidency....

1. Cheat to allow Hillary to win the nomination

2. Organize some sort of foul play on Obama

3. Create some sort of reason that would preempt a November election ie: Military rule.

[rhett o rick]

19. Three is enough. I think all three are possible. nm

[CoffeeCat]

4. I hear ya...

..but you know what? They can't steal it if Dem turnout increases by frickin 100 percent.

Let's all say that again...100 percent.

Most of the Dem primaries have experienced 100 percent increases in turnout from 2004. And
2004 was a record year.

This is the biggest story of the Dem primary. It's absolutely unprecedented.

The Republicans are shitting their pants, precisely because of what you said. They'll try to steal
it. Of course they will.

Their plan every year is to gain 6-10 percent by disenfranchising, screwing with the voters rolls,
creating long lines---and messing with the machines in some areas.

They know most elections are within a few points, and they're crimes pull them over.

Not this time. Not with Dem turnout increasing 100 percent, and Republican turnout flat.

They're in complete panic mode, because they know they can't steal it if these numbers
continue--especially if Obama is the nominee--and he will be.

[Art_from_Ark]

5. The Dem primaries have experienced growth

but that doesn't mean all the voters in the Dem primaries are Dems.

Crossover voting is common when one party's candidate has already been decided, especially in open primary states. Crossover voters vote for the opposing candidate they think their candidate will have an easier time beating.

[gateley]

9. If we had come out in greater numbers last time,

they wouldn't have been able to swing the fraud. Not if our numbers had been overwhelming. So I agree!

[Gman]

6. It's a moot point anyway

Obama stands no chance of winning in November.

[spanone]

7. how did they get impeachment off the table?....their power is awesome

[gateley]

8. One of my fears

is that he'll die before we're able to bring charges against him and send him to prison.

[rhett o rick]

15. If Cheney goes to prision, I have some big debts to pay the big guy.

I think i promised to devote my life to a monastery or nunnery which ever applies.

[gateley]

17. We appreciate your sacrifice!

I'll come visit.

[rhett o rick]

18. Damn, it'd be worth it. nm

[tomtomtom]

10. Na, they will let him

take office and run the world next. Fuck *linton

[OKthatsIT]

14. All they have to do is another 9/11.

OBAMA doesn't have a prayer against these scum. It's the Military Industrial Complex and the Banks. If they say we're going to conquer the world...or die trying...then what's Obama going to do about it? If Obama doesn't respond with "Yes Sir", they just bomb and bomb again.

They're gangsters. Obama may have the best intentions for the good people of this country, but these NeoCons have no hearts or souls. Their job is to depopulate and consolidate power.

This is the biggest question you all should be asking yourselves..NOW.

[rhett o rick]

11. I agree, but first we have to get past the possibility that the DLC won't let Obama win the

primary. The Democratic party power elitists can not afford to let the activists take control or even have a voice. That's why there are super-duper-delegates. Their job is to keep the wild-ass grassroots activists from doing something stupid like giving the finger to the corporatists. It's about money and the corporations have the money.

Our first job is to wrest control from the DLC and the corporatists in the party, then the republican corporatists. Actually they are the same corporations.

[OKthatsIT]

12. Yup..it's hard to imagine them giving up anything

...even now, Chertoff is planning a grand scheme. Why? Doesn't he know he's leaving in 8 mos?

[rhett o rick]

16. The pony of course is that they are so inept that they couldn't pull off a

dictatorial take over. they'd put Brownie in charge or another one of their stogies.

[0rganism]

20. Will they RFK him before the primaries are over? That's what I've been wondering

Would bushco go that far? Or, more to the point, why wouldn't they?