Has Anyone here heard of "The Denver Plan"?

[orangerevolution]

If the contest has not been decided by Denver, there is a plan to install Al Gore as the Pres. nominee and to put either Obama or Clinton as the VP, depending on the delegate count.

I think Howard Dean has spelled it out to the two of them and they are now fighting for the VP slot, with the idea that in 8 years one or the other will be the presumptive nominee.

[Tarc]

1. Its not going to happen, and Gore would never accept such a travesty

You can't just install someone that did not even run at all in the primaries. This non-story ranks right up there with the fake moon landings and Bigfoot.

[orangerevolution]

4. Where is it written that you cannot? n/t

Isn't this how they used to elect a nominee?

[JDPriestly]

9. If neither candidate gets nominated on the first vote, the

convention is opened. So, if neither candidate is nominated on the first vote, anything can happen including bedlam but also including a compromise.

[orangerevolution]

10. If the Super Delegates take over

They would be nullifying the will of the people. It would be them deciding not the people.

[JDPriestly]

12. But, they can only "take over" if the will of the people is too close to call.

I am not for either Obama or Hillary. I prefer Edwards. I'm just telling you what happens if the delegates do not decide the nominee on the first vote. I remember that this happened when I was a child.

[orangerevolution]

13. "will of the people too close to call"

sounds like what happened in 2000.

[clevbot]

2. link?

[orangerevolution]

6. No specific link

Word of mouth has been passing this along. I have been hearing about this from some people active in the local campaigns who have bought into this idea.

[CreekDog]

14. you forgot to add "purple monkey dishwasher"

...word of mouth passing along. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[orangerevolution]

15. Will you be the first to say that

when a candidate can not be voted on in Denver?

Grow up and face reality!

[CreekDog]

20. i'm not stating anything regarding your statement

i'm questioning your reliance on outlandish statements you hear from "word of mouth passing along".

you take the statement as if it were true and pass it on as such, not as a "what if" but as a "not if but when".

and you tell me to face reality. :crazy:

[Skink]

3. Gore /Hillary

:rofl:

[guyanakoolaid]

5. Yeah, this newb with a month of posts was talking about it on a message board

:eyes:

[orangerevolution]

8. Roll your Eyes if you want, but

We all would LOVE to see Al Gore as President. This is a plan to make it happen since it was stolen from him in 2000.

I am just sayin' that I am hearing this from the local level of both campaigns.

[eShirl]

11. "I am just sayin' that I am hearing this from the local level of both campaigns."

That doesn't mean they know what they're talking about.

[Tarc]

16. Then you probably need to get your ears checked, kiddo

It ain't gonna happen. And as I said before, Gore would never accept such a thing. There's too much pissy whining from Team Obama already if the superdelegates do not go his way. Can you imagine the intensity of their temper tantrums if the nomination were given to someone who never even ran?

[cali]

17. I wouldn't. Don't speak for me.

I don't believe in throwing out millions of votes, and I'm damned sure ho-ho doesn't either. And this is a totally made up rumor. there is no fucking plan. oh, and Dean has made it clear that it'll be Clinton or Obama and that it ain't going to the convention.

[uppityperson]

18. Gore doesn't want it.

[orangerevolution]

21. The Denver Plan to put Gore in Place

It is already being talked about, but in not so few words. The article list them as facts. While I dispute the title and most of what it says, the following caught my eye and makes me think the people on the ground are not wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lanny-davis/the-top-ten-list-of-undis_b_98280.html

"you decide who is riskier as a general election candidate. The candidate whose negatives, driven by the right-wing hate machine in the 1990s in particular, are all out there and already taken into account. Or a candidate who is still virtually unknown to most of the electorate, with Republicans clearly looking forward to filling in the blanks with the facts about his record of which many general election voters still are not aware."

[happyslug]

7. Hillary will be 69 in 2016, Obama will be 55 in 2016.

Hillary was born on October 26, 1947:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

Obama was born on August 4, 1961:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Most people believe 69 is to old to be ELECTED President, thus it is this year or never for Hillary. Obama, being 13 years younger, will only be 55 in 2016, young enough to run and would be only 64 in 2024 when his second term will end. In 2016 Hillary will be a year younger than Ronald Reagan when he was elected (And female, females having longer life expectancy then males). Many people think Reagan was to old when he was President. Some question the onset date of his Alzheimer's to the last years of his Presidency NOT his time after his Presidency. That can and will be used against Hillary in 2016, a fact she knows, which would make it much harder to win in 2016 then 2008.

Just a note that such a "solution" may be acceptable to Obama, he has the time to wait, it is NOT acceptable to Hillary, she will be to old. 2008 is NOW or NEVER for Hillary.

Obama wants the Presidency, as does Hillary. Both have indicated that the other is an acceptable Vice Presidential Candidate (and probably will be). The problem is Obama can afford to wait, Hillary can not, thus the plan is unacceptable to her. As to Obama, why take Gore when he can have Hillary? Why sit second to Gore when you can sit second to Hillary?

The only way this would work would be Gore is the nominee, Hillary is his VP Candidate, with the understanding come 2016 both Hillary and Obama can run again. In 2016, Obama could use the age card and defeat Hillary (if she decides to run).

Just a comment that the plan as stated is NOT workable, but can be the basis of a plan that is workable, if Obama will agree to sit it out for eight more years. I just do NOT see him or his supporters agreeing to that without a clear statement from Hillary that she would NOT run

[crispini]

19. We can't wait until Denver.

The SD's all know this, and will endorse by June at the latest.

Anyway, dragging Gore into it is a pretty amusing piece of political junkie masturbatory fanfic, but it doesn't have a lot of basis in reality. BOTH of them would have to buy off on this wholeheartedly and convince their supporters to do so as well in order for it to work, and I just don't see that happening.