Leading Neocon Democrats stifle hope of healthcare reform

[Phred42]

Miserable Lying Bastards!
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Dems hedge on healthcare

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/dems-hedge-on-healthcare-2008-04-23.html

Congressional Democrats are backing away from healthcare reform promises made by their two presidential candidates, saying that even if their party controls the White House and Congress, sweeping change will be difficult.

It is still seven months before Election Day, but already senior Democrats are maneuvering to lower public expectations on the key policy issue.

In the back of their minds is the damage done to President Bush’s second term by his failed attempts to change the nation’s Social Security policy.

For some senators, the promises made by Sens. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) outside of Washington may not match the political reality on Capitol Hill.

“We all know there is not enough money to do all this stuff,” said Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), a Finance Committee member and an Obama supporter, referring to the presidential candidates’ healthcare plans. “What they are doing is … laying out their ambitions.”

[harun]

1. Will the Democrats not owned by big Health Insurance please stand up?

http://www.hr676.org/

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:h.r.00676:

These outstanding public servants have co-sponsored H.R. 676:

Rep Abercrombie, Neil - 5/5/2005
Rep Baldwin, Tammy - 5/10/2005
Rep Becerra, Xavier - 11/17/2005
Rep Berman, Howard L. - 9/12/2006
Rep Bishop, Sanford D., Jr. - 6/14/2006
Rep Brady, Robert A. - 12/5/2006
Rep Brown, Corrine - 11/15/2005
Rep Brown, Sherrod - 2/1/2006
Rep Capuano, Michael E. - 12/13/2005
Rep Carson, Julia - 6/7/2005
Rep Christensen, Donna M. - 2/8/2005
Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy - 5/10/2005
Rep Cummings, Elijah E. - 5/5/2005
Rep Davis, Danny K. - 5/26/2005
Rep Delahunt, William D. - 12/15/2005
Rep Doyle, Michael F. - 5/22/2006
Rep Engel, Eliot L. - 6/7/2005
Rep Evans, Lane - 6/7/2005
Rep Farr, Sam - 5/5/2005
Rep Fattah, Chaka - 5/17/2005
Rep Filner, Bob - 4/5/2005
Rep Frank, Barney - 5/18/2005
Rep Green, Al - 2/16/2006
Rep Grijalva, Raul M. - 5/25/2005
Rep Gutierrez, Luis V. - 5/18/2005
Rep Hastings, Alcee L. - 6/13/2005
Rep Hinchey, Maurice D. - 5/5/2005
Rep Honda, Michael M. - 6/22/2005
Rep Jackson, Jesse L., Jr. - 5/25/2005
Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila - 5/19/2005
Rep Johnson, Eddie Bernice - 7/25/2006
Rep Jones, Stephanie Tubbs - 11/14/2005
Rep Kaptur, Marcy - 2/14/2006
Rep Kilpatrick, Carolyn C. - 5/26/2005
Rep Kucinich, Dennis J. - 2/8/2005
Rep Lantos, Tom - 6/7/2005
Rep Lee, Barbara - 5/5/2005
Rep Lewis, John - 5/25/2005
Rep Lynch, Stephen F. - 11/17/2005
Rep Maloney, Carolyn B. - 5/26/2005
Rep McDermott, Jim - 2/8/2005
Rep McGovern, James P. - 5/10/2005
Rep McKinney, Cynthia A. - 6/16/2005
Rep McNulty, Michael R. - 12/6/2005
Rep Meehan, Martin T. - 5/22/2006
Rep Miller, George - 5/10/2005
Rep Moore, Gwen - 9/21/2006
Rep Nadler, Jerrold - 5/25/2005
Rep Napolitano, Grace F. - 11/14/2005
Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes - 7/25/2006
Rep Olver, John W. - 4/13/2005
Rep Owens, Major R. - 5/10/2005
Rep Pastor, Ed - 5/18/2005
Rep Payne, Donald M. - 5/10/2005
Rep Rangel, Charles B. - 4/5/2005
Rep Reyes, Silvestre - 2/14/2006
Rep Roybal-Allard, Lucille - 2/8/2006
Rep Rush, Bobby L. - 12/15/2005
Rep Sanchez, Linda T. - 7/25/2006
Rep Sanders, Bernard - 6/7/2005
Rep Schakowsky, Janice D. - 12/13/2005
Rep Scott, Robert C. "Bobby" - 5/25/2005
Rep Serrano, Jose E. - 5/12/2005
Rep Solis, Hilda L. - 7/12/2005
Rep Stark, Fortney Pete - 5/5/2005
Rep Thompson, Bennie G. - 5/19/2005
Rep Tierney, John F. - 6/15/2005
Rep Towns, Edolphus - 5/26/2005
Rep Udall, Tom - 5/26/2005
Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. - 12/15/2005
Rep Visclosky, Peter J. - 6/22/2006
Rep Waters, Maxine - 12/15/2005
Rep Watson, Diane E. - 5/5/2005
Rep Waxman, Henry A. - 5/19/2005
Rep Weiner, Anthony D. - 5/25/2005
Rep Wexler, Robert - 2/1/2006
Rep Woolsey, Lynn C. - 5/10/2005
Rep Wynn, Albert Russell - 5/5/2005

God bless every one of them.

[N4457S]

18. What You Don't Understand...

...is that insurance owns the country, even more so than does Wall Street. They were the ones who bankrolled the movement to impeach Bill Clinton. They're incredibly powerful, unbelievably wealthy people. They routinely misplace more money than you or I have ever seen.

Most of the venture capitalist firms out there are backed by insurance in some way. No one else has that kind of money.

Single payer ain't gonna happen EVER. Schumer knows that. Jay Rockefeller knows it. The Democratic candidates both know it. We would have to allocate incredible resources for it and there's just no support among the corporate class. This isn't Europe.

And if there's going to be no reform, we may as well have a conservative in the White House to keep us safe. Whether it ends up being Hillary or McCain, that's what's gonna happen.

I've been saying for several years that people who truly want change will go ex-pat. This is just another nail in the coffin.

A lot of the bills from the eighties are starting to come due. Our standard of living will almost certainly have to be cut back at least in the short term to atone for the financial sins of the last 15-20 years.

I'm glad my cars are paid off and that I don't drive them very often. I won't be able to afford it.

[harun]

19. Nice, someone who knows the "Insurance" problem like I do, a friend indeed :-)

I have both my cars paid off and am blessed to have been like this for quite a while so I can save up some.

I think if enough of us who know the truth like you and I can stick together and work together a lot of other people would join us. I don't think I have to go expat yet, but my wife is already talking about it. Seeing what is happening to our parents as they are in retirement and trying to find a way to pay medical bills is rough. In Canada or Europe they wouldn't have to spend their days fighting with insurance companies.

[Vincardog]

2. The difference is the people did not want SS "Reform" the corporations did. The people DO want

Universal Single Payer Health CARE The corporation do not.

If we have 3 TRILLION to pay for an ILLEGAL OCCUPATION we have the money for HEALTH CARE.

[antigop]

3. already posted in GD -- see link here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3200695&mesg_id=3200695

[Phred42]

5. You're Correct - I recomend everyone go there and keep it all on one place

[DJ13]

4. So big pharma's 08 campaign checks must have cleared?

:banghead:

[undeterred]

6. Not everyone on that list believes in HR676

My Congresswoman, Tammy Baldwin, signed on to the bill but she publicly says that only Hillary Clinton's plan can fix health care. :eyes:

[Phred42]

8. Hillbilly pretty much ripped off Edwards Plan

[undeterred]

10. If its not single payer, it doesn't fix the problem.

Honestly, the states are going to have to fix this on their own because Congress doesn't give a damn.

[N4457S]

11. It's Not...

...and it's not going to be. Jay Rockefeller knows that. He's always known that.

Get it through your head.

We've known for ten years that single payer would never happen. The AMA doesn't want it, the unions don't want it and we don't have the money anyway.

You can't do single payer for three hundred million people. The Canadians do single payer for thirty million people with rates of taxation which we would never tolerate...and they're just getting by. We don't do that here. End of story.

Even Ahhnold is backing away from his healthcare plan here in California. Why? Money. The damn thing would collapse in on itself. They brought it up for a committee vote last year, it died and that's that. The media hardly covered it. Next case.

Didn't it seem funny to you that hardly anyone in the media is talking about this anymore? Obama has shut up about it and for the most part so did Hillary except for when she was at partisan gatherings.

We don't have the money, and part of that is because of the war and all the trouble on Wall Street.

The Starve the Beasters won. They won and that's it.

Our country and economy are changing. The US gave more money to foreigners last year than the Feds collected in taxes. That means the Federal government isn't completely in control anymore. Now it's all about foreign bankers and currency trading and arbitrage. The tech revolution had a lot to do with it but it's also about the rise of inexpensive international air travel and the rise of China and India as world powers and maybe a lot of other things.

Franklin Roosevelt has been dead sixty years. It's time we dealt with that and moved on.

[undeterred]

12. It could be done, but values and institutions

would have to change. However, if this country gets into enough of a state of crisis, that could happen.

[N4457S]

13. But It Won't...

...and that's that. One thousand people per day move to Florida and five hundred per day move to Arizona. Both of those states are red as a beet with Florida being much redder than it was in 2000.

I really believe we're looking at a reorganization in the Democratic party along with a realignment.

What we need is Sam Nunn but he's nowhere to be found.

[Phred42]

16. It's irrelevant now - Schumer just announced he's killing Single Payer Healthcare

Miserable bastards


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3201752&mesg_id=3201752

[lovuian]

7. Get those Bastards out of office I'm FED UP

I'm tired of hearing WAR WAR WAR and want Health care for my children and family

this is BS

Make enough money to do it
You just spent trillions on a freakin WAR
get the hell out of there and give us our healthcare

[Phred42]

9. Agree - Our ONLY hope of change is Obama

AND there's no guaranty here either

[N4457S]

14. And If We Say No...

...what are you going to do about it?

That's been the cry since 1948. Nothing happened then and nothing's gonna happen now.

[Javaman]

15. healthcare reform will never ever happen ever...

as long as the candidates keep taking healthcare insurance donations, big pharma donations and keep playing footsie with their lobbyists.

[MzNov]

17. Miserable Lying Bastards!

:hi: :hi:

[annabanana]

20. jeez.. All they have to do is shave a little off the capital gains tax cut.

For crying out loud, it's not that hard..

SCHUMER.. I'M TALKING TO YOU!