China is Evil America is Good

[Indenturedebtor]

:eyes: Seriously, is it only me that thinks that a lot of this anti-China rhetoric is an attempt to shift the blame away from our government and our corporations who have put us in a state where we are importing petfood and toys from China?

Of course they shouldn't be putting lead on the toys, or poison in the dog food, etc. But this is what you get when you lose control over your production and ship it off to a developing nation.

"They're trying to poison us." Come on. The Chinese people aren't any more evil than the American people. Some would argue that historically speaking they have been WAY more peaceful. Especially considering that they've had a few more millenia to show belligerence, and have still started fewer wars, enslaved fewer people, etc than we have in our very brief history.

This xenophobic crap is meant to distract you from the real issue which is that our Oligarchy is allowing us to be poisoned and is pillaging our economy in the deal. Don't point your finger at the Chinese. We poison ourselves as well over here in ALOT more ways...

Now granted the Chinese Government is fucked up and evil as hell... but we can't blame China for our problems. Don't buy the propaganda folks! It's a TRAP!

[Cant trust em]

1. Hard to believe that slogan isn't on a t-shirt

[RaleighNCDUer]

7. Of course, the t-shirts are all made in China. nt

[GodlessBiker]

2. "The Chinese Government is fucked up and evil as hell." That's all people are saying.

[Indenturedebtor]

5. No I hear from people here and in the real world

That the Chinese are trying to poison us, take us over, etc etc.

They made no overtures to finance our wars, and simply opened up their gates to let our Oligarchy move all of our production there. In reality we are poisoning them by having our industry on their soil.

Very few people are concerned with Darfur as that is a province of Canada, and Tibet is part of Russia which we've never really liked too much anyways.

[GodlessBiker]

10. Well, *someone* over there is trying to poison us and our pets.

[seemslikeadream]

3. It's about Darfur also

[Hydra]

4. China is NOT our friend

Nor do they care if we die because their goods are slipshod- that just makes their lives easier when they decide they don't need us anymore.

You make a good point, though- why was it a good idea for us to start importing all this crap anyway? It's not like we have a 100% employment rate here.

[Indenturedebtor]

6. But see it's their Oligarchy that doesn't care

The Chinese people consume and use this crap too when they can afford it on the slave wages they are paid. Just as we consume TransFats which kill untold numbers here every year just so our companies can make a twinkie last a few more days on a shelf, and save a few more pennies.

It's all a distraction from the real enemies! The Oligarchy is the enemy. That 1% of the population doesn't care if we're poisoned, or poor, or starving, or having heart attacks, or working 80 hours a week, or not taking vacations. 1% doesn't care and 99% doesn't hold them accountable for it.

[Hydra]

8. Dur!

But you'll never convince the people who haven't been burned in a huge way by them.

"They're human, right? Besides, this is the greatest nation in the world!"

[kenny blankenship]

9. Also China didn't just grow their industrial base from the proceeds of Mao's collective farming

that development came from vast outside investment, much of it American. American capital invested in exploiting foreign starvation wage labor instead of here in our own working class. Result: we import increasing volumes of unsafe products while for ordinary Americans, our purchasing strength is undermined by the shift of economic gravity overseas. Now we protest against lead in our toys. Soon we will take what we're given.

The abandonment of the "bitter" forgotten people of Smalltown USA by politics is completely secondary to their abandonment by our investment flows.

[NewJeffCT]

11. Many of the toy recalls were the fault of the designers here in the US

Mattel apologized to China and admitted that like 80-90% of their recalls were due to faulty design, and not the Chinese factories.

it's the companies like Wal-Mart that are the evil ones. My wife's old company had been in business for over 100 years and Wal-Mart was the biggest purchaser of their products. They made them in the US for a pretty low price, as it was a pretty mechanized process.

However, WM forced them to ship their product out of a Chinese port (probably so WM can get a discount on bulk shipping of products from hundreds of manufacturers...) even though it could be manufactured here in the US for the same price.

So, they had a choice of: 1) keep making the product in the US and go out of business when they lose WM as a customer and all 600-700 people lose their jobs, or 2) manufacture in China and lay-off most of the people in the manufacturing area, but it will at least allow you to keep the business running and have 100-200 people with jobs.

[orleans]

12. china government sucks and so does our fucking gop

i can't stand either.

i imagine the people in china are struggling as much if not more than we are.

but their laws/regulations that allow for the poisons to get into toys and food are fucked.

just as many of ours do. (and our government agencies taken over by the fuckhead--ie: air is good to go at ground zero.)

[Indenturedebtor]

13. Indeed

But by shifting the blame to their laws and regulations, and to their people, we let the politicians and the corporations that created this situation so they wouldn't have to obey US laws and pay US workers off the hook.

Don't let them blame China. We can't control what China does. We could theoretically control what happens here in the US. They are just afraid that we'll pull down the global labor market that they've crammed down our throats.

[Jack_DeLeon]

14. Its our own fault cause its us who by Chinese shit....

I try to avoid buying made in China whenever I can.

I am willing to pay a small premium to buy something made in the USA or failing that anywhere but China. I'd rather my money go to Mexico, Taiwan, or Japan rather than China.

[treestar]

15. Exactly. When the American consumer is willing to pay more for

the same thing, that's when the jobs will remain in the U.S.

Why else does Walmart drive mom and pop out of business? When do the townspeople ever say, "I'm not going to Walmart, even if it will save me a nickel, just so mom and pop can stay in business?" No, they always go to Walmart.

We should look in the mirror and see who is responsible. Americans will always go for the lower price - they don't care how it got that way.

[cory817]

16. heparin

I don't hear it mentioned as often as other incidents, but I was really concerned about the Heparin recall (I had to use at-home IV antibiotics for a week after surgery and you flush it with heparin), it has reportedly resulted in 62 deaths and I was a little freaked out.

But to kind of support your point, I was honestly equally as upset at Baxter because they are the ones who should know better than to buy their raw ingredients from China in the first place, and I hope they are held responsible.

I think what's come out is the factories in China substituted a foreign chemical like a counterfeit, but it's still under investigation and everything. But it wasn't just US companies that bought the stuff I think they had problems in Germany and 10 other countries.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/health/policy/10heparin.html?_r=1&sq=heparin&st=nyt&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&scp=3&adxnnlx=1209070887-r5kTSi+3zu7/b+6sY3KDHg
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/health/20heparin.html?scp=4&sq=heparin&st=nyt

[Diclotican]

17. Indenturedebtor

Indenturedebtor

US need a enemy... In the 20 century it was Soviet, who ended in 1991..

Today US are in need of new enemies.. Either "islam" in the term of "the war against terror" Or China, who they balm for everything.. Something they have right, but for the most part US have it totally wrong with China... And it looks like that outside the academic it is no reason to hope for enlightenment, either with the political leadership, or in the public as a whole... US want to be arrogant, and treat China, as they are treating the rest of the world.. But China are not taking the bait...

US are AFRAID of China, and what China can come to represent in the next 100 year.. China is a giant, waking up from a long, long sleep.. And if US are not up to what happening in China.. China can eat US alive.. And then.... Well I don't know. But treat China with respect.. Then you would get a good friend, and a nation with many of the same interest...

But, US need a new ENEMY.. And I guess China are as good a new enemy as the old Soviet was.. But you have to remember one little thing.. China have ben ONE STATE the last 5000 year.. And have survived almost everything... US are a young, and rash county with 232 year behind the belt.. China know how to play the game.. US have a LOT to learn before they can play in the same league that China are in today... As the rest of the world need to do.. With China you cant just use brute force. You must work with them, and play a game of chess... And be better than the chinese are to play the game...

Diclotican

Sorry my bad english, not my native language

[LSK]

18. you are partly wrong because the China protests are International

So when they are protesting in France or England or South America, it has nothing to do with covering up America's problems.

[Karenina]

20. What protests? The Olympic flame wars?

Please read his post again for comprehension. English is not his mother tongue, however he expresses himself very well when one takes care to read closely. ;-)

[Romulox]

19. More apologia for multinational corporations.

Do not inspect Chinese imports or you are OMG a RACIST!!!1!!!!!!!1!!!

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