Its just Tera Tera Tera, now the NY cops are toting fucking machine guns!

[Union Label]

This kind of extreme fascist shit is scaring the crap out of me! :scared: I wonder if any Holocaust survivors are getting flashbacks with the Soldoten on patrol?

M4 Carbine Rifles, MP5 Submachine Guns & Bomb Sniffing Dogs Part Of New "Torch Team" Anti-Terror Efforts

NEW YORK (CBS) ― More protection against terrorists is coming to a subway station near you. Starting Thursday, special bomb teams, known as "Torch Teams," will be toting submachine guns and bringing bomb-sniffing dogs onto the platforms and into the trains. CBS 2 HD was out first thing Thursday morning on the lookout for these significant security measure improvements.

It's a first for mass transit in the United States. NYPD officers, armed with rifles, submachine guns, body armor and bomb-sniffing dogs will begin patrolling the city's subway system thanks to a 50 percent increase in a homeland security grant. http://wcbstv.com/local/machine.guns.subway.2.707398.html

[no_hypocrisy]

1. Giuliani would have reveled in this over-reaction when he was mayor.

[One_Life_To_Give]

2. Sounds like the Airport in Frankfurt nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. Yep. First time I ever saw a machine gun up close and personal.

And that was in 1968.

Or 69. It kinda runs together, these days.

[awoke_in_2003]

17. "It kinda runs together, these days"

That statement alone proves you lived in the 60's :)

[Scriptor Ignotus]

52. nice username

I know exactly what you mean...(I never voted until 2004)

[awoke_in_2003]

55. I've been voting since 1986...

too bad it was for the wrong party. Always thought I was a republican until I started examining myself. I am atheist, hold no racial thoughts, believe gay people are no different than us and deserve the same rights, believe the government should help those who cannot help themselves, etc. I'll tell ya, it all started when I bought my first Apple computer :)

[AlCzervik]

13. i just went through the Frankfurt airport like 2 weeks ago, na machine guns but in Edinburgh, they

were packing some serious guns.

[uppityperson]

27. Or Charles de Gaulle in Paris. 3 types of law enforcement walking around there.

Some are military in cammo with uzis, some in police uniforms, some just security.

[Arctic Dave]

33. That's the first thing that came to my mind too.

The first time I went there was in the late eighties. I thoiught I was in an escape from NY sequal.

[CTyankee]

57. I saw uniformed men stationed around Rome with serious looking weapons cradled in their arms.

That was in 2006. I wasn't sure if they were carabinieri (Italy's federal police force) or soldiers. Of course, there are lots of foreign embassies in Rome and that may be a reason they were there.

[BrklynLib at work]

3. It should prove interesting when the first innocent bystander is killed by one of these guys,.

[Union Label]

4. All TPTB will do is call the "perp" a TERAist /nt

[awoke_in_2003]

18. And

it will probably be just another black man killed by the NYPD for no good reason.

[High Plains]

62. And the cop will be acquitted, of course. n/t

[Indenturedebtor]

5. WTF?

Submachine guns and body armor? Seriously? Is that for when the invasion happens? What the hell do they need machine guns for? I'm completely flumoxed. Are they going to fire into a crowd to take out a "Terist". Our country is going down a very dark path.

Machine guns are for firefights without innocents around.

[Arctic Dave]

35. Unfortanetly, that is exactley what they will do.

The line of thought is, better to have five people killed then fifty or five hundred.

[madinmaryland]

6. Actually they have been quite visible in NYC since 9/11.

Yeah it is the old terra thing, and it wigged me out the first few times I saw them. AFAIK, they have not been involved in any incidents (not to say that it won't happen, though).

[Raineyb]

7. Bloody hell!

This is just what NYC doesn't need. Trigger happy NYPD officers with submachine guns in a confined space so that when they miss the person they are actually shooting at even more innocent bystanders can be hurt, maimed or killed in the crossfire.

Bloody hell!

I can't stand these people.

Regards

[RaleighNCDUer]

19. Hey, it saves on manpower.

This way one guy can shoot a black man who reaches for his wallet 42 time, instead of it taking 14 of them.

[netania99]

9. Right after 9/11

I was saying goodbye to a friend in the Port Authority - walking away from him backward - and almost bumped into the rifle of a National Guardsman (I think). It was very scary. I've seen a lot more police on the 42nd Street/Port Authority subway platform lately, but so far no body-armored machine-gun-carrying police, thank goodness.

[Renew Deal]

10. Watch this video

http://www.rockstargames.com/IV/#?page=lcpdrecruit&content=video0

[gateley]

11. "It's a first for mass transit in the United States."

But it won't be the last, and it's only the beginning.

Just like someone posted, the first few times s/he saw a cop with a sub-machine gun it freaked them out.

We'll become used to it.

I think the reference to Germany is apt.

[Union Label]

16. I just don't know what the fuck I'll do

when this kind of crap shows up on the west coast.

[gateley]

21. I'm afraid you'll get used to it.

Just like they did in Germany.

Frogs/boiling water.

[hootinholler]

25. I seem to remember a couple of MP5 toting subway cops in DC

Shortly after 9/11 on the Metro.

-Hoot

[sinkingfeeling]

12. I hope every New Yorker hits the streets and protests turning a great city into an armed fort!

I guarantee that I will never return to NYC as long as goons armed with rifles, submachine guns, body armor and bomb-sniffing dogs are patrolling the city subways!! I hope tens of millions of people around the world feel the same.

I am so sick of the lunacy in this country that I may well pull out my 8' by 4' "For Sale By Owner Sign" and cash in everything to get the hell out of the loony bin!!

[DinahMoeHum]

14. Neah neah-neah neah neah. . .booga booga booga

:evilgrin:

[ceile]

15. They were Guardsmen at the San Antonio airport

right after 9/11 w/ machine guns-made me incredibly uncomfortable. Not to mention, was picking up friends from overseas. "Welcome to America" just didn't seem like an appropriate thing to say....

[tomreedtoon]

20. This has been SOP in New York since 1976!

Gangbangers have been carrying Uzi's and Kalishnikov's for ages. The police are just playing catch-up.

If you don't like it, move out of New York City to another country. Say, the United States of America. People out here may have guns, but they don't need to carry them to go to the 7-11.

[benEzra]

32. That's part of the fearmongering, too...

Gangbangers have been carrying Uzi's and Kalishnikov's for ages. The police are just playing catch-up.

"Gangbangers" carry almost exclusively pistols, though you'd never know it from the fearmongering in the media. Before "Terrah!", it was "Gunz!" and before that, "Drugs!"

FWIW, NYPD has had rifles for a long time (the Stakeout Team were using M1 carbines in the late '60s/early '70s, and SWAT has always had automatic weapons). What's new here is the use of officers who look heavily armed as "Security Theater" to either impress or intimidate regular citizens, depending on your view.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

[Occulus]

37. Gangbangers cannot ruin you the way a cop/the system can

They can only maim or kill you.

"The system", though, leaves invisible wounds that bleed and bleed and bleed for decades.

Ask an innocent man serving time on death row. Personally- I'd rather just be shot dead.

[readmoreoften]

44. Manhattan is not dangerous. It's a theme park for bankers' kids and ad execs.

It was the 4th safest city in America last year. There are no guns on the subway in Manhattan. It's a police state: black helicopters, CCTV, and the g-d Fuji Blimp. NYC is only 'dangerous' in the movies.

The city is nothing like it was even ten years ago. It is UNRECOGNIZABLE from the city it was in the 1970s. There are Starbuckses and yuppie banker bars on St. Marks. NYU pretty much owns the Village. In 2007, apartments on the Lower East Side were more expensive than apartments on the Upper West Side.

It's a police state. And for anyone who remembers what it was in the 70s and 80s--hell even the 90s--it is very depressing. I had to move.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

53. how is Manhattan a police state?

I live here and have no idea what you're talking about. Yes, it's safer, or safer than it was, but there are many neighborhoods I would NEVER go into.

[readmoreoften]

60. There are neighborhoods in Manhattan you'd NEVER go into? Really?

NYC was the fourth safest major city in America last year. Just because you don't see the CCTVs that you are *constantly* monitored on does not mean that you aren't on them. NYU had a course a few years back that counted the CCTVs in NYC. They're also planning a central command center that will rival what's called The Ring in London.

This may be rude, but if you haven't experienced Manhattan as a police state, then you haven't done much activism in the city. Before the RNC, I watched people pulled off the sides of the streets because they were *near* protests. Go near any labor strike, any protest, any gathering of WCW, or just hang out in Union Square on the right day and you'll see undercover guys with wires hanging out of their ears.

You're not supposed to notice that it's a police state. You're supposed to get drunk and go clubbing and just have a blast. Lived near NYC in the 70s as a kid, in NYC in the 80s, commuted to and from in the early nineties. When I moved back in early 2004 I tried to make it work, but it's like another city to me altogether. Moved out this year forever.

There is no part of Manhattan that I'm afraid to walk in. None. Brooklyn, of course, that's a different story. But Manhattan? Come on, it's $3500 for a fucking one bedroom apartment.... it's more or less as safe as a college campus.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

61. ok tough guy

maybe I've seen more of the city than you have. It ain't so pretty out by 10th ave, Ave D or some of the other areas off the beaten path. There are still projects in Manhattan, and at 2am I personally would not want to walk down some of those streets. You can be my guest but I personally know too many people who have been mugged or sexually assaulted, in Manhattan, to say it's totally safe in every neighborhood. It's just not the case. You seem to be talking about the village, LES, UES and UWS, but that's not the whole city.

I was here during the RNC and yes, that was scary as all hell. that was a police state - I 100% agree with that.

but undercover officers at various rallies is not a police state. CCTV in high crime areas is not a police state. is it a step in that direction, yes. but it's not the same thing as having checkpoints, curfews, papers, passports, etc etc. we all should be concerned that we are heading TOWARDS a police state, but to clam that we are in that situation now is disingenous.

[aikoaiko]

22. The only thing bad about this is that I can't the same weapons at the same price.

[Thepricebreaker]

23. The state is 100% democrat controlled.. no one to blame but them on this one...

[EstimatedProphet]

30. "Democrat" controlled?

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

31. Of ourse, silly. Democrat controlled, as in controlled by the Democrat Party.

You know, demanding that "ic" at the end Makes Us Look Bad™.

[Eric J in MN]

41. Mayor Michael Bloomberg was elected as a Republican.

Twice.

Though he recently announced he's an Independent.

[benEzra]

51. And don't forget who Bloomberg's predecessor was...

and he was a fan of similar policies, don't forget.

[KG]

24. but, but, we don't live in a police state.

nope :eyes:

[deaniac21]

26. I'd always thought that machine guns were asexual.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

28. It would be really nice if people weren't so ignorant

about weapons. The machine gun talked about is a Heckler and Koch model MP5, there are many different variations on the MP5 many of which have to do with the select fire switch. The weapon can be fired in semi-automatic mode (one shot per pull of the trigger), two or three round burst (2 or 3 shots per pull of the trigger), or fully automatic (the weapon fires when the trigger is depressed and continues until the trigger is released or the weapon is out of ammunition).

David

[Pastiche423]

29. The ignorance seems to be yours

It's not a matter of what kind of gun. It's a matter of whether any guns should be there at all.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

36. My post had nothing to do with whether or not the guns should be there.

I appreciate your condescension though. The point was how ignorant reporters are about firearms.

David

[Pastiche423]

39. The condescension was deserved

Maybe next time you might be able to actually stay on topic w/o your own condescension.


Might being the operative word.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

58. We clearly have a different definition of condescension.

I just pointed out a problem with the reporter. How does that deserve condescension?

David

[notesdev]

42. The important question right this moment

is not whether they should or should not have these weapons...

it's WHAT is the mission that requires such equipment

and WHY they think a fully automatic weapon in the NYC subway system would be useful.

[benEzra]

34. I hope the police armorers have brushed up a little...

from a previous NYPD antiterrorism team deployment:



Hope the officer doesn't need that rifle. His Aimpoint is on backwards.

[NickB79]

38. Oh God

:banghead:

Yes, only highly trained police officers should have guns :sarcasm: At least I learned how to aim the damn thing when I was 9.

Seriously, he couldn't have gotten any trigger-time at a range with that gun with the sights on backwards. What is he doing carrying it on the street?!?!

[benEzra]

45. Security Theater.

Seriously, he couldn't have gotten any trigger-time at a range with that gun with the sights on backwards. What is he doing carrying it on the street?!?!

Security Theater.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_theater

The purpose isn't to be able to stop terrorists; it's to make voters feel like the politicians are "doing something" to protect them; intimidating people a little might be in the mix there somewhere there as well.

The administration has made a big show of stationing National Guard troops in full combat gear in airports, at bridges, etc. around the country since 9/11 as well. If you look closely, in many/most cases, they often don't even have magazines for their rifles, or (if present) their magazines are empty. I suppose they assume that we are too dumb to notice...

[14thColony]

47. Holy hell, it is!

You'd think he'd have noticed that at some point in the zeroing process...

[benEzra]

48. I think this may indicate that there WAS NO zeroing process...

and that gun in that configuration has apparently never been fired on a range, and that the officer holding it has ZERO trigger time on that particular weapon. It's all theater...

[NYC Liberal]

40. They've had them in Penn Station and GCT for a while now.

I wonder if this won't be like those "random searches" they made a big deal about but that in reality, you never really see.

Sad, but I've gotten used to this crap.

[earth mom]

43. I'm sure * approves of this. Makes ya wonder if 911.5 is around the corner.

:scared:

[tblue37]

46. When I went to Spain for the first time during the summer of 1971,

while Franco was still alive, I was scared to death by the sight of all those Guardia Civil standing on street corners, boarding buses, checking papers. In part, they were actually there to protect us tourists, since tourism was a major part of Spain's income at the time, but I didn't feel protected. I was terrified of them. The US government, at all levels, says it is turning the country into a police state to "protect" us, but just like in Spain in the 1970s, I don't feel protected, and I don't really think they mean for us to feel protected.

They mean for us to feel as though we'd better do as we are told. Or else.

[klyon]

49. I would trust dogs but what next drug sniffing dogs?

Is it necessary to cary the big guns?

[annm4peace]

50. POLICE STATE good by America

[lonestarnot]

54. And next they come for you and your bread basket.

[MadHound]

56. Sad, really sad

Ten-twenty years ago Americans used to see pictures like this on television, large law enforcement thugs toting large automatic weapons, intimidating citizens with paper checks and package checks and such. We also shook our head in sadness at the plight of these people living in these brutal, police state foreign countries.

Now those pictures have come home to the US here, and it is us who are living in an ever increasing police state. What a sad state of affairs our country has come to. Hopefully the American people will wake up and do something about it before it's too late.

[BlooInBloo]

59. Fucking cops.

[lonestarnot]

63. More shockers more awers. Woohoo. Scaredie cats, how's it work'n for ya?