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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 03:57 PM
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Germanic vocabulary words: why it's OK to kick this thread if love Tony's Tumor (or not)
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 03:58 PM by nashville_brook
You're not a bad person if you hate Tony Snow.
You're not contributing to the demise of civilization if you secretly root for his colon cancer.
You're not offending karma/God/Gemeinschaft if you imagine his illness might serve as earthly punishment for a life devoted to causing others pain.


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You're actually just another human experiencing Schadenfreude: taking joy in misfortune. Oddly, this Germanic word has no direct English translation. I can't believe Americans haven't invented their own version yet -- something like "ill joy." Or "malappiness."

'Ill joy' isn't a bad thing in and of itself. I bet most psychologists would agree that an amount of evil glee is an appropriate response to the news that a perceived abuser might be having a patch of difficulty; especially if that someone was a champion for torture, war, our squandered wealth and the theft of our Constitution. Your therapist would likely tell you it's a healthy reaction; for if you don't feel revulsion for those who abuse you, you're likely to "stay in the marriage."

Recently we've discussed what amount of Schadenfreude is acceptable, and what amount leaves us "no better than Freepers." I think that what makes Freepers so vile is they experience Schadenfreude for the weak and helpless. They are champions for an Ayn Randian Gesellschaft, where it's every man for himself (gender exclusion intentional). This word has many English translations: capitalism, fundamentalism, Republicanism. In Freeper-world a pregnant teen is paying the price for "spreading her legs." A man who dies for lack of healthcare is making Freepers' 'paid for' healthcare system more valuable to them.* And all brown, non-Christians are terrorists until proven otherwise.

There's a difference between that sort of gloating and the kind of weird hope DU'ers have that Tony Snow's suffering might re-connect him with all that's human inside of him. Maybe, we imagine, he'd realize how damn lucky he is to have medical treatments and not be worried if he can sell the house to pay for them. It's also not the kind of gloating that Antonin Scalia participated in today when he said that we "should get over it," if we think the Supreme Court decision to put Bush in office was politically motivated. I wish he'd stub his toe or bump his head or something.

DU'ers looking for Tony's Tumor Appreciation Thread are not doing the same thing Freepers do, but they are giving occasion for us to reflect on our Gemeinschaft -- yet another Germanic word with no English translation. Gemeinschaft is a "unity of will" that arises out of shared belief. The sociologist who coined the term was a utopian who observed that we needed more Gemeinschaft, not less, to be fully-functional, happy people -- and to further the Enlightenment 'project.' Those who wish DU would tone down the "hate" are coming from the standpoint that wishing ill on someone publicly is bad form, and will eat us up spiritually. This is an attempt "to unify our will," and that's a good thing.

We really must unify our will and act in solidarity if we are going to defeat the Republicans in November, but lately we've had a steady diet of Gesellschaft, not Gemeinschaft. It's either Hillary or Obama. One side is 100 percent evil and the other is 100 percent good. Those wishing to be fair, give it 75/25, evil vs good. On top of this, we've lived through eight years of division between those who supported the war... and who didn't. Those who clamored for impeachment... and who didn't. And those whose primaries got screwed up through no fault of their own... and the rest of the 48 States, the DNC and state leadership. We are divided all over the place, and it's not clear if we can win in November if we don't get EVERYONE out to vote because we still have unaudited elections and Diebold machines. We don't have the luxury to believe we can squeak by with smallest of margins. Moreover, we have to gain Democratic members of Congress, and place more/better Democrats in the state houses.

Yet, everywhere we turn, we're reminded that we don't belong. We don't belong if we snark too harsh on Tony Snow. We don't belong if our candidate is Thing One or Thing Two. We don't belong if we're too progressive or too DLC or voted for Nader or live in Florida or Michigan or the State of Confusion. Gesellschaft, in other words -- the true Freeperism.

So, yeah -- we're PRIMED for some serious Schadenfreude. If there were any such thing as karma, George W Bush would have a had a boil the size of Rush Limbaugh's head, on his ass a long time ago.

I'm not much of a believer in that kind of karma, but I do believe what goes around comes around, in that we risk becoming what we behold.

We need Unity now more than we need either Clinton or Obama. We need people to put down their rhetorical arms, and come to the table and negotiate. We need Florida and we need Michigan. We need black voters and we need white suburbanites. We need the youth vote as much as we need the Baby Boomers.

We need to know that the sum of our parts is all we got, and that we can't afford to "kiss off" any block of Democrats -- no matter how vile you currently think they are. The lines you draw in the sand are the lines you won't be able to cross come the convention where we *should* be creating a strategy to get us out of this mess our boy-President and his minions (like Snow) got us into.

This fact bears repeating: we face economic collapse and global war. We need immediate and drastic solutions. There's no room for error. We can't piss away this moment, our platform must be unwavering in it's intent to return power to the people, and restore order to our economy.

Come the convention, we can't be fighting just to keep the party together. We must heal these splits LONG before our suitcases are packed for Denver. Having a "D" next to your name has zero bearing on how much Gemeinschaft we have. It's totally unfair, but "Real Solidarity" isn't going to come easy this time around. We're going to have to reach across our lines drawn in the sand.

So, let me be the first to say that cancer lovers and Tony Snow non-haters, ALIKE, are welcome here. If you've ever voted Green, I won't hold that against you. If you give money to the DLC, NRA or MBA you're okay by me. If you were dead-set against impeachment... hate CODEPINK... or use incandescent light bulbs... you're still needed and wanted, and a valuable Democrat.

*Reference from an actual discussion.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:12 PM
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:18 PM
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2. He has willingly spread propaganda and misinformation for both faux news and for the WH.
that on it's own, merits enough potential pain and suffering to the common good.
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Captain Sensible Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:31 PM
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5. Wow thats a low bar.
Thats pretty pathetic. Being an anchor on a Right wing channel does not warrant hoping someone dies of cancer. Every time a moron posts crap like this it makes all of us look exactly the way the right portrays us. Irrational and reactionary.
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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:35 PM
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6. I haven't chosen a side on this yet
but it is certainly debatable. I am just joining this discussion and I can already see the points are well argued.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:57 PM
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29. i really hope you DON'T choose a side. if you're forced to "choose a side" we all lose.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:41 PM
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8. unless Javaman is running for president, what he thinks of Tony's colon isn't going to have
much impact on the overall image of the Democratic party.
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Captain Sensible Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:47 PM
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11. Yes but..........
Threads like this are taken and used out of context to show how mean and evil the left is.
Trust me, I work in an office full of all political persuasions and things like this are tossed around all day as examples of left wing "moonbattery".
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:56 PM
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18. well, we're never going to stop silly people from saying silly things -- or using hyperbole, even
mean-spirited hyperbole. if we really must never say anything that a Freeper might take to be moonbattery -- we might as well sign off of DU right now this minute, because we're never going to meet that standard.
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Captain Sensible Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:02 PM
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20. just..
don't get what you were trying to prove here...
Yay you give us permission to root for Snows cancer.
Hope you sleep well tonight.
Looks like the majority of posts think its better to have sane disagreements but not wish any ill.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:12 PM
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22. you should read the OP.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:51 PM
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33. It isn't about him being a FAUX anchor or Press Sec
...but the lies he told as those things, and the cost in human life as a result.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:28 PM
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4. wow, Capt Sensible, that's quite a response.
but, it you read the OP, you'd know that I don't have a dog hunting in Tony's colon.
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Captain Sensible Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:35 PM
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7. You wish him well then. Splendid. nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:43 PM
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9. what if i'd rather stay uncommitted on the state of Tony's colon? is that acceptable?
or must i say out loud that I wish him. is there something i should sign to prove i'm a good enough person to be a democrat?
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Captain Sensible Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:52 PM
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14. You can't be uncommited now.......
You could sign a check to me!!! that would prove you have a good heart..............lol
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:27 PM
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3. I was looking for a topic for tomorrow's class
THANK YOU!!!
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:44 PM
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10. "if you secretly root for his colon cancer"....you are no progressive, & probably a beast. nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:53 PM
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15. okay -- lets accept that prima facie. if they are a monster, do they deserve
the same respect?

lets say a proclaimed pro-cancer poster actually gets cancer. if they are a monster, then i would imagine you'd rejoice in their misfortune. isn't that what we do, cheer when the mob chases the monster with torches?

is this really a morally superior position? is moral superiority a requisite for being in the Democratic party? might there be Democrats who are less than perfect?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:54 PM
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17. Didn't say they weren't Democrats. But they are still beasts.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:11 PM
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21. if they're posting here, they are ostensibly a democrat --
plus -- do you think that there's really a one-to-one correspondence between what someone says on a message board and what a person believes deep down in their heart? might people posture and bluster? could it also be posturing to point the finger at another person, calling them a monster? i know for a fact that people say things they don't necessarily believe. it's impossible to judge a person based on what they say. but, if you say they are all monsters, then they must be monsters to you.

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Captain Sensible Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:58 PM
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19. This has nothing to do with Dems...
Is that what you have been trying to do? prove you are a good Dem by hoping Snow has cancer again?
Am I a good pacifist for hoping Hillary gets cancer because she voted for the IWR?

and to your points.

the pro cancer guy = ironic

the monster is justice not glee that he's dead

and no one is morally superior on all issues......
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:17 PM
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23. if it has nothing to do with Dems, then why would anyone on DU care?
isn't the argument that it's unacceptable to experience Shadenfreude and be a good Dem b/c the Freepers in your office will make hay of the moonbattery?

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:49 PM
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12. The opposite if love is not hate. It's "I don't give a shit about
whether Tony Snow recovers or not." I'm too tired to care. I have a disabled child, and I doubt Tony Snow gives a shit about him.
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Captain Sensible Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:53 PM
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16. Sorry for your child...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:04 PM
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30. it's certainly not a reason to further splinter the (our) party.
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 06:05 PM by nashville_brook
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notfullofit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 04:49 PM
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13. ALL hate is evil, period. /nt
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:19 PM
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24. so, it's evil to hate someone who killed someone you love?
i don't know if i'd go so far as to say that is "evil."

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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:19 PM
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25. So many words to rationalise such sick behaviours.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:37 PM
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26. not rationalizing sick behavior. i would rather no one ever speak ill of anyone.
but creating a morality test to be a democrat, or a "good democrat" or someone welcome here, is patently stupid.

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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:40 PM
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27. I may despise the man, but I take no satisfaction in Mr. Snow's illness and mortality...
Nor do I wish to celebrate it. Such behavior, IMO, really puts some very negative stuff into the tribal air.

Anyone who's lived with cancer, or who's seen someone close to them battle cancer and lose, simply will have no interest in getting on board with this.

It's one thing to despise a political enemy for his views and actions; but it's quite another to take pleasure in their genuine personal suffering, whether they seem to "have it coming" or not.

The challenge it to rise above the impulse to gloat or vainglory when a foe is stricken by a force that would lay **anyone** low.

Just my nickel's worth (adjusted for inflation).
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 05:53 PM
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28. we can't afford to dissolve what little unity we can have based on rhetoric surrounding
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 05:54 PM by nashville_brook
Snow's recent downturn in health. wish we had that much solidarity to spare. but we don't. it's not a given that we'll win in November.

the fact that we have messy disagreements is part of what makes us who we are, but we need to reel that in and start finding common ground rather than niches where we disagree.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:32 PM
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31. All this attention over little ole me.
There's that karmic justice again.

:thumbsup:
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:39 PM
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38. when the Democratic party splits into a million little pieces, it won't be b/c of Bornagainhooligan
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 07:40 PM by nashville_brook
I'm not saying it's a great position you have -- or a horrible one. But it's certainly not a reason to start a (culture) war.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:39 PM
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32. It Doesn't Seem Right to Continue Cursing Someone Once You've Won the Point
Tony Snow is going to die - like we all do, just sooner than many. While he's busy making peace with that, someone else is stepping into his place.

If people want to continue to indulge whatever lingering resentments they have for the damage he did in his long career, they have my full support - regardless. I just wish people could better sort out their feelings for a shadow (how many actually ever met the guy?) vs their feelings about its droppings.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:42 PM
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39. Good point -- and also sort out what's worth fighting over.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:57 PM
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34. OP: Let me ask you this.
Do you think people who hated Molly Ivins were not bad? Did you think people were not contributing to the demise of civilization if they secretly rooted for her breast cancer? Did you think they were not offending karma/God/Gemeinschaft if they imagined her illness might serve as earthly punishment for a life devoted to causing others (Republicans/conservatives) pain?

And how about Elizabeth Edwards?

Is it only normal for conservatives to experience Schadenfreude and take joy in the misfortune of liberals?

Is an amount of evil glee an appropriate response to the news that perceived abusers such as Ivins and Edwards might be having a patch of difficulty? Is it just "a healthy reaction"?

After all, there are surely people out there who feel very differently about these women than we do.

Is being glad that one is dead, and wishing the other would die, a "normal and healthy reaction" for them?

Because if you don't think so, I've got news for you.

If it isn't healthy, normal and good for THEM, it isn't normal, healthy and good for US to feel that way about Tony Snow, either.

Cancer knows no good or bad, and does not judge people according to our morality. It falls on the just and the unjust as we perceive the world. The only proper reaction to it is the HUMAN reaction: not to wish it on our worst enemy.

Period.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:37 PM
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37. Come back when you've read the OP.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 06:58 PM
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35. He's still a Scheisskopf. But I don't wish him ill.
In the heirachy of evil, he doesn't even rise to the level of Mini-Me.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:34 PM
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36. I will not condone your hate
You want to hate? Fine. Go ahead. Be just like the people who experienced Schadenfreude at the death of Matthew Shepard or Martin Luther King. But I will not. I will live my life trying to be more like MLK than the people who cut him down.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:47 PM
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40. Show me where I've said that "i hate" anything in this post.
I respect your righteousness over Matthew Sheppard and Martin Luther King, Jr. But, it's misplaced with regard to the OP and if you read the post you'd realize that.
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 07:53 PM
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41. I read the whole post.
Feel good about yourself calling for "unity" over "purity" if you wish. I'll aim the bar higher, thanks.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:02 PM
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43. "purity" -- really? purity as in what?
If you really think that "purity" is something that is important to the Democratic party -- as in no one who speaks ill of anyone else is good enough -- then, it's going to be one small party. Or, do you mean that you'd rather pick up your things and leave, than be part of something where people say stupid things? If you were really committed to this purity project, you wouldn't be posting here, because there's bound to be people who are going offend you.

See, I think most people are way more committed to the overall project of democracy, TO THE WE, of what we're about, than any of these distractions. But, the distractions are quite shiny and loud. And it feels really good to pound your chest and declare yourself above it all -- or pure.

But at the end of the day, what has been accomplished?
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lukasahero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 10:58 AM
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45. Never mind
It's not worth the effort it would take to make you understand... Purity is NOT my thing. It seemed to be something you were saying. I still think we (that grand WE of which you speak) should all try to be decent to each other. You don't. That's your call.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:11 PM
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47. that's not what i'm saying. i can't control what lurks in people's minds -- and it's a mistake
to believe that what anonymous posters say on a web forum reflects anything more "performance." if we are to further splinter up because our keyboard performance, then we really don't have any Gemeinschaft, do we. What are we doing here if our common cause is so fragile that it can't withstand a very minor case of Schadenfreude.

I bet you anything that the people who claim callousness for Tony Snow's cancer, don't really *believe* it. People put on a performance that matches their online persona. And, as far as callous online performance goes, I strongly disagree that this rises to the level of the best/happiest/nicest day in Freeperland.

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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 08:37 PM
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49. Na, DUUUU!!! You provided me the most fertile ground
for discussion today with my ESL students. 3 hours worth!!! Picking AT LENGTH through EVERY DETAIL. People leaving the room at particular points to have a smoke rather than punch another. We covered it all, with "Heimat" added. I received SUCH an education today as a result of your OP. It went so far as a native speaker having to refine his own lifelong definition "Schadenfreude." Now THAT was an enlightening exchange.

From your OP:

You're not a bad person if you hate Tony Snow.
You're not contributing to the demise of civilization if you secretly root for his colon cancer.
You're not offending karma/God/Gemeinschaft if you imagine his illness might serve as earthly punishment for a life devoted to causing others pain.

All of points were validated with caveats, mostly having to do with public expression. Germans are VERY SENSITIVE to demonization.
"Schadenfreude" and "boshafte Freude" are two VERY DIFFERENT things. We discussed the levels of Schaden and Freude and at which point it becomes boshaft.

The communication intent of your OP got a hearty and heartfelt :thumbsup: especially the aspect of NOT breaking SOLIDARITY for individuals' human feelings. DAMN, I wish you could have berrn here!
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:02 PM
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42. I See this as Karma, and she is a bitch...This is what happens when spread hate.
I know some are being hard on the OP, but I think it is brave to say what many of us are thinking, HE
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 09:07 PM
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44. eh -- i can take it. I'm not supporting the "haters" or the, uh, "lovers."
Geez -- can it really be said that those who are screeching about "purity" and "tolerance" are really all that tolerant or full of love? It doesn't seem that way to read their words.

It seems that people were really so full of tolerance/love/peace/puppies that they'd be out hanging rainbows and not engaging in rhetorical war with their ideological family. Maybe people crave battle more than they crave victory.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 11:28 AM
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46. Your tap dance is impressive, but tiresome
It's called common human decency. Look into it. Don't write 1000 words justifying your glee over the suffering of someone you
don't like...just go contemplate being a decent person.



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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-25-08 02:19 PM
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48. I take no glee in people's suffering -- i take issue with those who need to elevate
this sort of behavior into a party-splintering occasion. it's not. it's not a reason to walk away from "democrats" or DU. it doesn't rise to the level of antipathy at FR.

what it does do, is give occasion for people to move to opposite sides of the "room" and righteously claim that "I'M NOT THEM."

well, that's not we're here to do. we're not here to find reasons why we don't like each other. we're here to form alliances and foster solidarity in order that we may win this very important election so that REAL CHANGE can happen that actually lessens suffering. if human suffering is something you truly wish were treated with care, then, reach out to the Schadenfreuders, because without them we'll never win.

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