"I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live." -John McCain

[iamthebandfanman]

just a friendly reminder about our ole pal John.

[stellanoir]

1. How to endear us to a third of the world. . . not.

[TomInTib]

2. Some shit you just gotta get over, John.

Myself, I'm hating the Republicans now.

[Deja Q]

3. Is he referring to the Vietnamese?

How will those views of his affect offshoring to countries of people often referred to, maliciously, as "gooks"?

[Rosemary2205]

4. I think it's wrong to hold that against him.

the man went through hell.

[iamthebandfanman]

5. if a white man was beaten or tortured by a group of african americans

and he used the N word to describe his hatred for them...

would u feel the same?

[Rage for Order]

8. For one day, no

If they did it repeatedly for 5 1/2 years it would be difficult to judge him for it

[iamthebandfanman]

11. glad racism can be jusitifed to you too

sorry, you dont slander a whole race of people over the actions of few.

[Rage for Order]

12. In his case, it wasn't the actions of a few

It was the policy of the entire country. Or were the prison guards in North Vietnamese prison camps that tortured McCain just "a few bad apples" who were torturing prisoners without the government's knowledge?

[iamthebandfanman]

13. once again, the government of vietnam

doesnt represent the entire race of people.

please, think before you type.

[Rage for Order]

17. I'm interpreting it differently

I can't see into McCain's mind, so I'm going by the way I would feel if I was tortured for 5 1/2 years by the North Vietnamese. I would probably have the same feelings that McCain does for anyone from that country.

[iamthebandfanman]

19. is that a quality a president should have?

resentment towards a whole race of people?

[Rage for Order]

20. Towards a race or towards a country?

As an example, let's say a platoon of US soldiers comes under attack, and in the ensuing firefight they kill an Iraqi man's wife and three children. It's probably a safe bet that the Iraqi man will hate the US as a whole rather than the individual soldiers who killed his family. Would he be justified in his hatred of America, or would you say that he's a racist?

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. Can you differentiate by sight a Vietnamese from a Cambodian?

A Laotian? How abuot Indonesian? Malaysian? Burmese?

WTF does nationality have to do with it? A gook is a gook.

Incidently, that term originated with the N Koreans (and included the S Koreans, because they all look alike, and you can't trust any of them anyway - they're just as bad as the Japs).

Do you have any idea what racism is?

[Rage for Order]

46. No, I can't

But I wasn't held and tortured for 5 1/2 years by the people of any of those countries either.

[bbinacan]

29. I agree with post #20

I'd like to see your response.

[spanone]

59. i hope they don't blame me for bu$h*s torturing program

[NCDem60]

9. I'd understand it. (NT)

[iamthebandfanman]

10. glad you think racism is justified

how about blaming those who did it to ya instead of slandering a whole race?

[verges]

43. Understanding is not condoning.

[NCDem60]

45. Never said that. Reading comprehension problem? (NT)

[iamthebandfanman]

52. oh no, i understand what your saying all to well

its you who need to reanalyse whats coming out of your fingers.


racist problem?

[NCDem60]

54. You might indeed have a racist problem........

and are compensating for it with your posts. In any event their does not seem to be any room in your mind for anything more than back and white, and I don't mean skin color. There are many shades of gray in any issue as complex as the one we are discussing. You sound like Bush.

[Zynx]

48. When a black man who was abused by white police says nasty things about white people

it makes sense to me.

[iamthebandfanman]

51. that would depend on whether or not he was using racial slurs

to get his point across.

if he said 'white policeman' thats different than 'honkey white trash' dontcha think?

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

56. Racial slurs are just words

Hurtful words yes but just words none the less. Its the heart thats the issue and if someone hates me I am not any less damaged if they do it 'politely' or in a verbally abusive manner

[Zynx]

58. Are racial slurs any worse than the sentiment behind more polite racism?

Words are immaterial to me. What matters is the true sentiment. The most vile racists out there are not the most verbal yelling "Nigger, cracker, gook, spic, etc". The most vile form of racism is ivory tower racism.

[Rosemary2205]

21. Yes

I would do everything in my power to help him overcome the hate. But I would understand where his hate comes from none the less.

[Ian David]

24. Maybe we can torture the racism out of him? n/t

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

55. If a black man was beatin and tortured over the years by some

white people and said he hated the 'white' devils would you not understand why..

McCain needs to answer for this and if he still feels this way the its a problem for him... If the issue is that he felt that way and was reflecting on it in 2000 then not so much..

[coriolis]

6. Hell does not exist.

...

[madeline_con]

7. Yes, it does.

In god-forsaken holes where humans are kept like animals for years.

It happens every day, all over the world to all types of people.

You've probably never been to hell. Those who have know it exists.

[coriolis]

31. There are hells, yes...but not Hell.

That's what I meant. :-)

[madeline_con]

60. In the sense of going somewhere, you mean?

The fiery lake of damnation. ;)

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

57. You mis understnad that was a drive by slam

at people who believe in Hell, it was not meant to contribute anything worthy

[RedCappedBandit]

16. and he advocates putting others through the same hell..

..hence, he loses all credibility. not that he would have any otherwise.

[Bluebear]

18. Fine. Don't hold it against him. But he is unfit to lead our Nation.

[Rosemary2205]

25. Agreed

obviously.

[nebula]

35. The people he dropped those bombs on

probably went through greater hell.

[Rosemary2205]

49. No doubt

Bad feelings all the way around unfortunately.

War sucks ass.

[verges]

41. Perhaps,

but it definately disqualifies him for POTUS.

[Rosemary2205]

50. We've had more than one racist president who did a decent job.

His racism makes my stomach hurt - but then I didn't plan on voting for him anyway - based on a zillion other reasons.

[rox63]

14. Despicable quote

But I have to ask - How long was this after he came back from Vietnam? If it was within a few years, I can understand where those feeling came from. I don't like it, I don't agree with it, but I would understand where it came from.

[iamthebandfanman]

15. it was in 2000. n/t

[Indydem]

22. Well, seeing as he used the word "the" and was talking about his captors specifically....

"I was referring to my prison guards," McCain said, "and I will continue to refer to them in language that might offend some people because of the beating and torture of my friends."

McCain made it clear that his anger extends only toward his captors. As a senator, he was one of the leaders of the postwar effort to normalize U.S. relations with Vietnam.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2000/02/18/MN32194.DTL

Still highly inappropriate, but I can't blame him for hating the men who tortured him for 5.5 years.

[Ian David]

27. What if he'd been captured and tortured in Somalia? n/t

[Ian David]

23. At least they didn't plaster on the make-up like trollops. n/t

[Ian David]

26. McCain used to scream and yell that he wasn't allowed to bomb Russian ships in the harbor. n/t

[bbinacan]

28. Got a link? n/t

[Ian David]

37. Here's something about it

The Son Also Rises
The son and grandson of four-star admirals,
Senator John McCain proves that character runs in the family.

McCain: My views about the conflict were not affected in any way, that I can remember, but the futility of the way we were carrying on the air war became more and more apparent. We watched the Russian freighters pull into Haiphong Harbor and unload the SAM 3 missiles, SAM missiles, and truck them up and put them in place. We couldn't touch them, and then they would be fired at us. That kind of war, targets picked by Lyndon Johnson in the basement of the White House. I remember one target I had one day was a place that had been bombed numerous times before, and 100 yards away was a bridge. Couldn't strike the bridge, but could make the concrete bounce at the target that I was assigned. It was foolish. And all of us who were flying there knew it was foolish, and it was worse than that in many respects because so many of my squadron mates and air wing mates were shot down and killed and captured.

Cove: What was a typical day like at Yankee Station?

McCain: There were periods on Yankee Station where we had just sort of routine launches every hour and forty minutes, where you would get probably a couple of sorties a day where you would go out in two or four airplanes on various specific targets. The other was when we were in kinds of operations we called Alpha Strikes, and that would be once a day, and maximum of twice a day, where all, practically all the air wings would be launched at one time. We would rendezvous, and then go and strike a major target, usually up around Hanoi or the Haiphong area. On the day I was shot down, for example, it was the thermal power plant in Hanoi that we were striking, which was in downtown Hanoi. Those kinds of strikes required very large numbers of airplanes. Sometimes even joining up with the air wings from other aircraft carriers that were on station, as well.

More:
http://www.battleshipcove.org/news-mccain.htm

I think I heard more about this on The Thom Hartman Show.



Here's something that looks promising, but the link isn't working:

American RadioWorks - Vietnam and the Presidency
This is before future Senator John McCain was even taken prisoner. .... going to drop a bomb down some smokestack of a Russian freighter in Haiphong Harbor ...
http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/vietnamconf/transcript.html -

Ah, here we go...


<snip>

Valenti: Johnson's greatest fear, which I heard him utter to me privately dozens of times, he felt that he might start World War III. He used to say that some aviator is going to drop a bomb down some smokestack of a Russian freighter in Haiphong Harbor and the pilot will be from Johnson City, Texas and we've got World War III going on. He had a terrible horror of that. Now, you can talk about military adventures, but when you are president, the specter of another war like that is quite terrifying. So, whenever I hear people talk about-- and I say this--I happen to have a great devotion and admiration for Henry. Because I think he is one of the great political philosophers of our time. And I certainly admire Al Haig immensely.

<snip>

http://web.archive.org/web/20061209151012/http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/vietnamconf/transcript.html

Nope, that's not it.

[depakid]

30. In McCain's defense- I suspect most people would, given his circumstances

[YankmeCrankme]

33. Then you'd think he be a little less supportive of the US torturing people. nt

[depakid]

42. Yep- and that's going to come back to haunt him

.. if the Dems aren't too timid to use it, that is.

[ColbertWatcher]

34. Typical republican. n/t

[orleans]

36. ah, i see he's trying to win the asian vote.

[RB TexLa]

38. It's not natural to kill, throughout history during war enemies have been "animalized"

look at the propaganda from WWII and how Germans and Japanese were depicted.



And yes I made up the word animalized.

[riderinthestorm]

39. "I hated the Americans. I will hate them as long as I live." - Iraqi detainee

just a friendly reminder to Johnny in light of his support of US torture....

[RedCappedBandit]

44. exactly why i have no sympathy for this sorry excuse for a man. nt

[stillcool]

40. oooh....how Presidential...

[ismnotwasm]

47. "gooks?"

He fucking said GOOKS? What an asshole.

I hope he also hates the peckerwoods who thought a war of attrition was a good idea.

Wonder what the Hmong people think.

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