Mike Malloy says RECREATE 68 is a CIA front

[seemslikeadream]

http://www.recreate68.org

[SeattleGirl]

1. Doesn't surprise me at all.

I've been looking at the site. :grr:

[L. Coyote]

42. I looked up the domain registry. A PO box in Colorado. Name:Glenn Spagnuolo

Registrant ID:GODA-024950452
Registrant Name:Glenn Spagnuolo
Admin Name:Glenn Spagnuolo
P.O. Box 311
Sedalia, Colorado 80135 US
7207714669
Admin Email:[e-mail]

http://www.allwhois.com/cgi-bin/allwhois.cgi

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http://wardchurchill.net/files/spagnuolo_caplis_press_release_050207.pdf
Recreate-68 AllianceMedia Communiqué
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
May 2, 2007
[e-mail]
P.O. Box 6444
Denver, CO 80206
CONTACT: Glenn Spagnuolo - 720-771-4669
DAN CAPLIS DROPS LAWSUIT AGAINST ACTIVIST AND R-68 ORGANIZER!
DENVER, May 2, 2007—After more than a year and a half of stalling, 630 am KHOW afternoon talk radio show host Dan Caplis, of the “Caplis and Silverman” show, has dropped his civil lawsuit he had filed against Re-create 68 organizer and community activist, Glenn Spagnuolo. The lawsuit stemmed from remarks Spagnuolo made at a speech he gave on the University of Colorado’s Boulder Campus in support of Ward Churchill. During the speech, Spagnuolo stated that, “It is no surprise that Dan Caplis and the three stooges of Clear Channel, Boyles, Silverman, and Caplis, would attack the Ethnic Studies Department”. He than went on to reference a racial incident that occurred when Dan Caplis was a student at CU that resulted in Caplis engaging in a fist fight with students of color. The comment was replayed on KHOW radio the next day, at which time, Caplis vowed, “not to let these slanderous lies and attacks on him go unanswered” and promised to sue Spagnuolo. As promised, Caplis filed what was nothing more than a S.L.A.A.P.P. suit against Spagnuolo, which prevented him from appearing on any Clear Channel owned stations, due to its policy of protecting employees during litigation.
After numerous settlement offers from Dan Caplis to Spagnuolo, Caplis finally dropped the suit ......

[NightWatcher]

43. WARD CHURCHILL IS A BAD DUDE AND COINTELPRO

from AIM (american indian movement) WC tried to infultrate the AIM

http://aimovement.org/mckiernan.html
Analyses: A 30 year former law enforcement officer says there is a high probability that the person in the pictures is the same. He picked the left and the right pictures as the most consistent with each other. We do know that the right image is that of Ward Churchill. The left image is a picture that is found in the book "The Life and Death of Anna Mae Aquash", by Johanna Brand, (2nd publishing only) James Lorimer & Company, Publishers, Eger Ryerson Memorial Building, 35 Britain Street, Toronto, Ontario: $14.95 from 1978. The photo was one of three taken before Kevin McKiernan on July 26th, 1975 was ordered out of the area, the Airport at Pine Ridge. This is the day of the shoot-out at Oglala. The other two photos clearly show FBI agents getting out of a helicopter. The man in the photo on the left also got out of the same helicopter, but was not identitfied by the usual "FBI" printed on the shirt pocket that others have.

[MADem]

49. Gee, when I called the guy a loser, a cheat and a fraud, simply because he lied and copied,

I was excoriated...right here on DU.

[NightWatcher]

51. you were right and worse, he's a govt plant and has done tons of bad

[stimbox]

52. The ear is not the same. I think some people have an axe to grind with Churchill

over his little Eichmanns comment.

[NightWatcher]

53. this was long before the "eichmann" incident

this man is a disruptor and he tried to bring down several members of AIM based on lies

[readmoreoften]

80. It doesn't look anything like Ward Churchill to me.

I mean that kid could be anyone. They just happen to be looking in the same direction. The ears and the nose are different.

[Oak2004]

76. Oh god, Dan Caplis! I'm familiar with the incident they call a "fist fight"

I was at CU at the time, and the incident was not a fist fight, it was a riot, with Caplis at its focal point.

There was evidence that student fees were being diverted by a Mexican-American student organization(s) into the pockets of their leadership. Two somewhat bizarre factions arose- one the student group(s) in alliance with the politician-wannabes on the student council, in favor of keeping things as they were (and not looking too closely at where the money was going), the other a coalition of conservative students and assorted far left anarchists and the like in favor of making all student fees voluntary.

Dan Caplis, then a co-president, attempted to triangulate the difference with a system in which student fees remained mandatory, but how they were allocated would be determined by a complicated checkoff system. He thereby managed to unite both the student groups and the anarchists/conservatives in opposition to his plan, since under his plan, both sides lost what they wanted. When the student council passed his triangulated plan, a riot broke out. He was hit, I think, with a folding chair, and spent a day or two in the hospital.

[roamer65]

2. Just like the days of Tricky Dickie.

COINTELPRO. I bet Mike is right.

[seemslikeadream]

3. Mike said Rush was pushing it

[roamer65]

10. Lameass getting talking points straight from the WH on "recreate68", eh?

Sounds like a black op.

[bluetrain]

4. I have no problem believing that, but did he say how he knows?

[seemslikeadream]

5. one thing I caught is that Rush was pushing it

[Postman]

12. If he's pushing a website advocating revolt in Denver, then I believe it's a front website...

n/t

[melody]

6. They do this crap all the time ... wouldn't surprise me n/t

[mountainvue]

7. Wouldn't surprise me. n/t

[newmajority]

8. Looks a little suspicious to me.

These government shitheads love to infiltrate peaceful demonstrations and turn them into something else. WTO in Seattle being one obvious example. The assholes in the black ski masks? Government payroll, you can bet on it.

[NightWatcher]

9. can you say "COINTELPRO" boys and girls?

good, I knew you could.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/03/recreate_68_2.asp

The organizer of Recreate 68 (a Ward Churchill buddy) is already sparring with the City of Denver over the permitting process for protests. It seems like there's real potential for this to get ugly.

And we all know about Ward Churchill and his COINTELPRO desires with AIM (American Indian Movement)

[mountainvue]

13. I've heard the security perimeter is going to be a five mile

radius of the Pepsi Center.

[New Dawn]

78. "Weekly Standard" is a Neocon paper

Just in case you didn't know.

[stimbox]

85. the only cointelpro around here is you spreading disinfo from rightwing sources. n/t

[santamargarita]

11. Shitty Website! They're wanting Martial Law - Don't be fooled!

K&R

[Warren Stupidity]

14. I say that Glenn Spagnuolo is just another activist

and not a CIA agent. But that is just my guess. He has been fighting various leftist causes in the Denver area for quite a while, so if he is 'CIA' he is deep cover.

Of course there will be protesters at the convention. What there should not be are either riots or the fascist free speech cages.

[orleans]

22. malloy just said the right wing blogs are all over it (this recreate 68 website)

but hardly anyone on the left wing blogs have heard of it. he said usually that's a sign that the government has a hand in it.

he also mentioned that website looks like the wet dream rightwingers have of the 68 riots, a lot of orange looking like flames, pic of the city at sunset (looks like it's on fire)

really--why have the right heard of this but it's news to us?

[Ichingcarpenter]

24. Maybe, but I wouldn't be surprise if its infiltrated by Federal provocateurs

This has been going on for years before the Bushies came to power.

[mountainvue]

33. If it walks like a duck...n/t

[L. Coyote]

48. At least he is up front about wanting to disrupt the convention. Stupid, but up front.

Glenn, can you say "Ralph Nader"?

Glenn, can you say, "Nixon won"?

Ratf**ker!

[mountainvue]

15. He's talking to Charlie Brown! n/t

[Warpy]

16. The word has to get out that we need to protest THEIRS, not ours

The protests in 68 were turned violent when right wing hard hats and cops showed up and started mischief. They both took the opportunity to bash as many heads as they could. Because of the hideously biased news coverage, Middle America thought the "dirty hippies" had started it and were getting just what they deserved for not supporting the Murkin gummint.

We need to make absolutely certain that all "protests" in Denver can be traced directly back to the GOP and, if possible, to the government agencies they're using against us.

This has false flag written all over it. DO NOT FALL FOR IT!

[Ilsa]

17. K & Fn R. nt

[kentuck]

18. We can pass the word to them now...

If you do not win the next election, the new Administration will investigate and will prosecute to the full extent of the law. So if you plan or are consiring to plan such activities, you may want to think twice. Your new cellmate, Bubba, may not be so nice to you.

[vixengrl]

19. It's weird how we're re-living the 60's--

It's especially weird for me, I was born in '72. It's like, that dumb kind of confluence of anniversaries of the assassinations of MLK & RFK (like, which we still don't totally trust the official story of, man), with our having a historic run of a woman and an African-American candidate (representing two scary '60's movements that upset the status quo, dig?) And we've got Vietnam revisited in McCain (veteran) and Iraq (Vietsuck 2.0). We've got COINTELLPRO via wiretapping and the dead cert bet on Rove (he started out as a CREEPster!) et al using that stuff with the US Atty's to *get* people on a Nixonian enemies list. And there's been Red-baiting (Obama--Marxist? A little stretch, but this is what intellectuals were called, but if you're a Marxist, can you really be a degenerate elitist--inquiring Leftists want to know?). Now, the race-baiting I figured on, but the the Red-baiting--quelle shock! Post-Soviet collapse, an unanticipated retro-con Easter Egg.

Since so many other memes fit with the past, why not a planned disturbance? This is why I recommend people consult the very good demonstration directions associated with the Anonymous/Scientology protests--or let's just keep our protest on-line, and off the streets (if we have any--if this can't be brought to a resolution before CO).

We have bookmarks: Nixon/Bush. Let them try to upend our process, but we don't have to take the bait. Now back to our eternally-scheduled Democratic Revolution.

Peace.

(Or I could be totally off-base, a Gen-x cynic generalizing her rear off about how old memes got resurfaced and need to be retired--soonest.)



(Uh, or something like that.

[tavalon]

60. You're not wrong

There are disconcerting similarities. I really, really hope it doesn't include the execution of another prominent black. That would suck beyond suckage. As well, as frustrated as many of us leftists are, this is the first word about protesting at the DNC I've heard about. I won't support it. Let's save that for this current administration.

[seemslikeadream]

20. If anyone experienced Chicago 68 they WOULD NOT WANT TO RE CREATE IT

[seemslikeadream]

21. DELETE

[RaleighNCDUer]

47. Self delete for my over-reaction.

never mind.

[seemslikeadream]

50. I am very sorry please forgive me

Would it be alright with you that I delete it? I was listening to Malloy and he mentioned it and I had just read the stuff about Glenn




I do believe you miss understood this though



We now have proof that "progressives" are Republicans in disguise. The only questions are "Who is getting paid off?" and "How much?"

Republican wolves in prog clothing are organizing a "Re-create ’68" protest movement for the Democratic National Committee. One need not be the Oracle of Delphi to guess what will happen: Lots of screaming, lots of disunity, lots of "arranged" violence, lots of television coverage of events that will sicken swing voters.

[RaleighNCDUer]

54. My apologies for over-reacting. My impression was that you were

pushing that link, and I saw no disclaimers.

Maybe it's getting a little tired out.

Peace.

[alfredo]

23. I did a whois and got this name: Glenn Spagnuolo

[seemslikeadream]

26. entirely a Gladio-style false front operation.

Joseph, Joseph. I really do believe you're determined to concoct a boogeyman called "progressives" that you think is set on sabotaging the Democratic Party and then swallow uncritically everything that right-wing provocateurs put out there to discredit genuine progressives.

I looked into the "Re-create '68" people a year ago, and it quickly became transparently obvious that it was entirely a Gladio-style false front operation.

For one thing, they were using spoofed domain names:

Political activists hoping to rain on the Democrats’ parade when the party holds its national convention in Denver have launched a website encouraging others to make the next convention look like the one in 1968.

The group, Recreate-68 Alliance, bought up several Internet domain names that are similar to the Denver host committee’s official site, www.denverconvention2008.com.

But instead of raving about the city’s assets like the official site does, these sites redirect viewers to www.recreate68.org - a site professing to be “your virtual activists’ Convergence Center.” Among other information, the site encourages protests like those that marred the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago.

For another, when I googled on Recreate-68 in April 2007, nobody on the left seemed to have heard of it, but somehow the right-wing blogs were all over it -- usually a sure sign that someone has been stirring the pot!

The organizer, Glenn Spagnuolo, has a reputation as a hothead and a troublemaker -- he brought a defamation lawsuit on himself in 2005 for his intemperance -- and a vocal supporter of Ward Churchill.

Moreover, the Recreate-68 website seemed designed to appeal not to progressives but to some nightmare right-wing memory of 1968. Lurid shades of orange and black, a sunset view of Denver that could be taken on first glance as a city in flames, and stereotypically inflammatory rhetoric: "Join us in the streets of Denver as we resist a two-party system that allows imperialism and racism to continue unrestrained. We will demand change by making the Democratic Convention of 1968 look like a small get together in 2008!"

In looking further, I found that two national groups had plans to demonstrate at the GOP convention in Minneapolis -- an anti-war group and an anarchist group -- whereas in Denver there was just this one isolated band of local activists with no national backing. And even the anarchist site was impressively restrained in its design and language when compared with the Denver bunch: "We hope that our work transcends the convention by contributing to the development of anti-authoritarian movements and mutual aid networks both locally and globally."

So Joseph, please understand that the situation we're in is one where Gladio R Us and try not to take anything at face value.

[NightWatcher]

30. a buddy of Ward Churchill and he's a known troublemaker and AIM wannabe

he tried years ago to infultrate the American Indian Movement and then give speeches trying to stir up shit. This guy has been openly criticized by AIM GGC (grand governing council) and exposed as a fraud. If this guy is anyway connected to Ward Churchill- run, dont walk, in the opposite direction from him.

[seemslikeadream]

55. Thanks for setting me straight about Churchill

:hi:

[starroute]

56. Hey, thanks for quoting me so I don't have to ;-)

I just wanted to add another link with some more on those spoofed websites, since that seems like the most seriously suspicious aspect of the operation -- especially the fact that they registered them in 2006, before it was even definite that the convention was to be in Denver.

http://www.coloradoconfidential.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1330

Jan 22, 2007

Terming it a "lack of foresight" on the part of the Democrats, a group of Colorado activists have snagged a half-dozen 2008 Democratic National Convention related Web domain names — and secured another bundle of sites designed to help protesters organize long before descending en masse on the Mile High City. . . .

The group, calling itself Recreate-68 Alliance, shelled out $126 for the domain sites six months ago, anticipating that Denver would be selected for the '08 convention, said organizer Glenn Spagnuolo. . . .

The list of the sites that the Recreate-68 Alliance reserved, all of which are redirected to Recreate68.org:

DenverDNC.org
2008DenverDNC.org
Denver2008DNC.org
Denver2008DNC.com
2008DNCDenver.org
2008Denverconvention.com
NoDNC.org
ChangetheDNC.org
ChangetheDNC.com
Stopthe2008DNC.com
Stopthe2008DNC.org
NoDNC2008.org
NoDNC2008.com
Recreate68.com
Recreate68.org

[alfredo]

59. Let's see how the government reacts to them. You know they will do

nothing to stop them from causing trouble.

[MADem]

25. How in hell does he know?

The whole idea is fucking IDIOTIC, but how does he know?

Recreate 68? Like it was so much fucking fun to have one's head busted open and be beaten to a pulp by corrupt cops?

Jesus--what immature nitwit would that kind of shit "appeal" to, ya gotta wonder? How stupid and clueless of history ARE people?

The geezers who were there the first time won't go--hell, they'd need OXYGEN in Denver, no running from the tear gas with that replacement knee or walker in the Mile High City!

And ya gotta love this little blurb from that stupid website--why not just say "Let's go and be totally immature and idiotic assholes and cause TROUBLE in the streets?" What tool-fools, like pulling that sort of childish nonsense is gonna solve anything, except maybe give a few intemperate young and clueless idealists criminal records, that will probably be expunged if they, say, oh....enlist, perhaps? Yeah, that's the ticket:

:eyes:Join us in the streets of Denver as we resist a two-party system that allows imperialism and racism to continue unrestrained. :eyes:

Yeah, sure--the truth will be more like THIS:





Gee, What FUN!!!!



Swing your partner, promenade!



Why not study a little Ghandi and MLK, and apply THOSE teachings? Oh, wait...that would require STUDY, and a knowledge of HISTORY. Too much trouble, that...

[newmajority]

29. Well, if "recreate68" is your starting point.....

Dr. King didn't do so well that year either :evilfrown:

[MADem]

38. That's true. But he left behind a body of work that includes, not insignificantly, the model of how

to conduct oneself while prostesting. I really wish more people would use it. It would probably frighten the leadership a bit more if they did.

This 'Street Theater' and costumes bullshit makes protests look like children's parties. Contrast those images we see all too often nowadays, of puppets, giant heads, signs with profanities written on them, and tutus and foolishness (which may be 'festive' for the participants, but which give room for the opposition to deride and denigrate), with these images:














These people meant BUSINESS. The name of the game is "We have something to say. We are dressed in a professional manner, because this is an issue of national import. You WILL treat us with dignity and respect."


Sometimes, when the issues are serious, it's good to GET serious. There's no question that these people are stone cold SERIOUS.

[Warren Stupidity]

46. His organization marched on the streets of chicago in 68.

The poor people's campaign marched with us on the streets. Martin would have been there too had he not been executed earlier that year. We lost Martin, we lost Bobby, we went clean for Gene and we got told to sit down and shut up while the grownups went about their business, their business of killing vietnamese people, their business of assassination at home and abroad, their business of taking us off the streets to go fight in their wrong wars. And we said no. And don't let anyone ever tell you that what we did was wrong or that we elected Nixon or that we were responsible for seven more years of that fucked up war. Those people are liars or idiots or fools who have been lied to. They weren't there. They have no idea what was going down.

[Dove_eye_view2008]

93. Before you lose it...

You have to consider, at least, that the inclusion of youth in politics is pretty pathetic in current times. Not that they should be blamed for their apathy, ineptitude, and general disinterest in social and political issues, but rather we older and more informed folks have some responsibility in including them, and not insulting them over the fact that they don't remember events that occurred before they were even born, though they may have heard or read about them. I was not alive in 1968 and can't say I wouldn't have understood what happened and why were it not for my own drive to study and find out. Unfortunately you can't expect everyone who is younger than the 60s generation to take as deep an interest in the events of that decade as I have (and I've gone beyond that with interest in the events throughout history, whatever I can find, of similar subject matter), therefore as I agree the name "Recreate 68" was a bad idea, it was also an innocent one. The person who chose the name is young, that is, was not born until after 1968. I personally wasn't born until a decade following that year, though I know about through research (college) and my own interest has driven me, thus I know why that name was a bad idea, however, the one who picked it really had a different impression of what happened, and the fact that these youths want to get involved can't be discouraged by older historical know-it-alls. It would be dis-empowering to tell the kid why the name is "stupid," thus discouraging the person's participation. Especially considering the large group of youths who actually participated in choosing the name. Rather than ridiculing them, try encouraging them.

The kid is younger than I am, but I am younger than the 1960s generation.

When old folks give us that old speech about how we weren't there, don't understand what happened, and should just "shut up," what they are saying is that we should not participate in politics, not get turned on to politics and learn the lessons of history in any way, and not care about the important issues of the day. It is a way in which people in the older generations encourage self-imposed disenfranchisement among younger generations. When you tell them to be quiet because they weren't there when whatever happened occurred, you tell them not to vote, not to protest, not to get informed, and to be merely mindless complacent drones like the those depicted in Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World." Shallow, inept, complacency, and thus primed to live for leisure and pleasure with no thought. There can be no hope for any better future if we are all to 'shut up' and stay out of the way of politics. You may as well advocate fascism, as that is the threat of what comes about when an entire population is degraded to a herd of mind slaves and nothing more. You may as well try to sign them up as Republicans to vote against their consciences.

I agree the name is bad because it is one that the media, namely the corporate media, will spin like no other without a doubt, however, if we make all of our decisions based on our fear of how it will be played out in the corporate press rather than forcing the corporate press to pander to our issues and not the other way around, we are merely reinforcing the dominance of the blatantly undemocratic corporate press itself, along with the power-monger establishment legitimized by its propaganda. What they mean by recreating 1968 is recreating that level of popular organization and mobilization, especially the image of walking together united as "the people." That is something many youths today see as missing from current movements, especially those that challenge the "one party with two ugly heads" system now holding control of what used to be our republic. Young people have to go by what they know of history, and if they weren't there to see it for themselves that doesn't mean they don't understand aspects of it that are important. In fact, that line of B.S. "you weren't there to see it for yourself so you don't know" is a fallacy. If you were in Chicago in 1968 during the convention, and if you were alive then and watching it on TV, that doesn't prove you know the ins and outs of what happened, much less the political implications. That only proves that you saw some crazy shit that you probably didn't even understand at the time. The Age Card is not proof of any expertise whatsoever. I'm sick of people who were there in Chicago in 1968 telling me "that's how we got Nixon," regurgitating Gitlin's line. That is not how we got Nixon; the Democratic Party's anti-communist Machiavellian group think and polarization (did all of you elders forget about the overall context of the Cold War?) and their arrogance in continuing the slaughter in Vietnam (I don't call it a war, it wasn't a war but a series of massacres while the Dems were still in, and wasn't really a war until Nixon took over and the Soviets began backing Ho Chi Minh), and the Bay of Pigs, among other absolute embarrassments, not to mention being gate keepers on civil rights rather than doing the right thing, which led to the murder of many prominent civil rights activists, including Martin Luther King Jr.; that is how we got Nixon.

In other words we got Nixon because the Democratic Party was not a real opposition party then any more than they are now. They were the culprits, in case you forgot, of the Vietnam invasion, slaughter, massacre, and war (war only in that the north eventually succeeded, and justifiably so). They were the main targets of any justice seekers during the 1960s, and by that perspective it is at least arguable that we got a massive radical revolutionist movement that burned down every city in the USA in war with mostly openly racist police from the Democrats and their plunders. You can't blame a population for anything, it is too ambiguous, but you can blame those who intentionally did what they should have known to be wrong, immoral, foolish and in every way incorrect, for example...LYING TO THE AMERICAN POPULATION ABOUT THE GULF OF TONKIN TO "MANUFACTURE CONSENT" IN THE POPULATION TO INVADE A TINY DEFENSELESS COUNTRY THAT ORIGINALLY ASKED FOR OUR HELP AGAINST A RUTHLESS COLONIZER!

So lay off Recreate 68. If you old folks would have just united and done the job right in 1968 by supporting the anti-war candidate, Gene McCarthy, rather than splitting into absent minded factions, constituting a classic example of a "leftist circular firing squad" (I'm quoting my favorite folk singer of today, David Rovics) and swinging the door wide-open to COINTELPROs galore, we wouldn't be going through this crap again! This mentality of blaming the victim is a clear indicator of today's liberals' lack of confidence and general political paralysis in the face of what we all know is beyond the evil of fascism, namely the corporate-political neo-liberals and "neo-cons'" twisted and fundamentally anti-democratic agenda of political economy.

Furthermore, those who think protests in the 1960s are even remotely similar to what we see today must consider that back in the 1960s all of you crazy, self-indulgent, and self-deprecating radicals had rallies under the influence of powerful hallucinogenic drugs. If there is one thing we have succeeded at doing in today's protests it is that we have gotten the drugs out of the movement. There are drug users no doubt, but it is not encouraged like it was (remember Abbie Hoffman and his acid lollipops) and in fact discouraged at protests as that would make for one scary ass trip if you think about it. In 1968 half the crowd was on acid, cocaine, pot, you name it, you stick it under their noses and they do it without question, believing they are expanding their minds somehow, and now we have succeeded in getting the drug users to leave their dope at home and show up sober for their own safety if not for everyone's. I have been to hundreds of protests, none of which had a bunch stoned out acid heads participating. Now drugs are even seen by many to be a form of conformity. You go and have a look at the Democrats during their convention and just see how many of them are intoxicated. You won't find that in the protest crowd, and if we find them we give them first aid and send them either home or to the hospital.

Finally we have a chance to protest the Democrats' complicity with corporate power (anti-labor and environment) and the Republicans after years of Republican Party rule (in 1968 the Dems had been in control for years and years, and now they are starting fresh again after eight years of the worst president in world history, W, a Republican), as well as their complicity in the illegal invasion of Iraq (if they didn't know Bush was full of it as Clinton claims was the condition when she voted FOR the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, they aren't fit to run our republic as a governing party); without the absolutely selfish "free love" (psychological and physical rape of teenage women by older men especially is all this really was) and the drugs; and here you supporters of the Democrats - which is support for the "War on Drugs" as much as any - are crying like babies about the fact that you can't get the support of the "left wing" your party claims as a "party base." You don't care that WE THE PEOPLE are the only ones doing any good in our society, and that is proof of Democratic Party insincerity.

Be a real democrat and dump that facade of a political party by joining us in the streets. That is the only way the Dems will become what we all want them to be, and what they have always falsely claimed to be, the party of the poor, of labor, of the environment, of peace (that's a reference to being against war, not being for "putting more cops on the streets" as the Democrats always do, though cops get away with murder in today's society as much as they did in the 1960s at least) and of "democracy."

? <- means Nuclear Disarmament by the way, and what have the Dems done for this cause? JACK SHIT. While the Dems were in power the world was almost blown to smithereens several times, and the Republicans are obviously no alternative. We want the Democrats to become the democrats, or we'll have no choice but to form a true opposition to the current establishment of imperialism.

[seemslikeadream]

96. That was quite a post

Let's start with this

not insulting them over the fact that they don't remember events that occurred before they were even born, though

That is the strangest thing I have ever heard. Maybe they need to study history before they decided a course of action. You know it might help. How can they be smart enough to tell folks what should be done if they do not know their history. I didn't see anyone insulting them could you link to that please.

[proud patriot]

27. That site has a bad vibe IMO

It actually has a section "weapons used by pigs to take your rights away"

I think I'm with Mike on this .. It's just my gut instinct.

[seemslikeadream]

31. Glenn Spagnuolo

[Warren Stupidity]

35. Well that settles it.

[newmajority]

36. God that guy just looks like a federal thug, doesn't he?

yeah, I'm jumping to conclusions here, but he just fucking does.

[Warren Stupidity]

40. He looks like a 50 something boomer

I am amazed at the ability of people here to determine that this guy is 'cia'. I have no idea who or what he is, but I am not going to determine that he is an agent for the dark side because he 'looks like a federal thug' whatever that means, because Malloy says so, because Rush et al are hoping for a riot, or because his website looks like something ginned up in a pentagon basement. Hmmm....

Ok you all may have a point.

[Dove_eye_view2008]

92. Glenn

Glenn Spagnoulo is not a C.I.A. agent, secretary, janitor, or
any variation. Recreate 68 is not a C.I.A. front, and the
notion of this is absolutely absurd. Mike Malloy and the
liberal community online, especially including the Democratic
Party, is obviously a front for something much worse:
CORPORATE GREED! 

I know all of the organizers of R-68 personally and can vouch
that Mike Malloy is full of shit. He is basically spouting
conspiracy theories, just like a John Bircher! I wish we were
the C.I.A. so we could just have Rush Limbaugh and Mike
Malloy, and any other conspiracy theory spouting idiot,
extraordinarily renditioned. Rush for trying to incite a riot,
which I think he should be arrested for, and Malloy for being
as bad as the average Ron Paul voter in terms of conspiracy
theories. There is no credibility in liberalism if the voices
of liberalism become known for spewing such absolute bullshit.
There is no North American Union, Mexico is not attempting to
take over the United States, and Recreate 68 is not the
Central Intelligence Agency. Besides, the C.I.A. would support
Hillary Clinton more than any other, as she is the most
promising (corruptible) of the three. 

Mike Malloy needs to go out and buy a spine. I wonder where
they sell spines, anyone have any ideas? 

[mountainvue]

41. LOL. I was thinking the same

thing. If there was a physical profile, this guy is it.

[MADem]

45. He's an Italian American opposed to Columbus Day, associated with AIM, apparentlly.

http://transformcolumbusday.org/media/20051006-ww.html

He's a troublemaker of some sort, certainly.

Amy Goodman interviewed him: http://www.democracynow.org/2006/10/6/challenging_columbus_day_denver_organizers_discuss

(Sorry, can't be bothered to read the transcript!)

He is, or was, a city worker, a "recreation program supervisor" : http://mytwobeadsworth.com/Spagnuolo505.html

Money quote from that article: City officials have declined to comment on the specifics of the investigation, but during a court hearing, they said they were upset about comments Spagnuolo made on a KHOW radio program in March defending Churchill. Both Churchill and Spagnuolo said violence can be an option to solving problems with the government.

Spagnuolo insists he considers that a last resort and prefers nonviolence.

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. I say after just now looking at it.... it has a stench of cointelpro psy ops

And Limpberg is promoting the site if that tells you anything.

[Warren Stupidity]

34. counterpro? cointelpro

at least get the term right.

[Ichingcarpenter]

37. Tired.... Not feeling well... corrected

be sure to kick the story in LBNs I broke and link it to more information we found
on this OP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3282398&mesg_id=3282398

[KaptBunnyPants]

28. The site doesn't pass the smell test.

You would think these guys would be better, what with all the practice subverting democracy.

[stimbox]

39. Mike's wrong. It's the same people as the Workers World Party.

They do A.N.S.W.E.R., IAC, and FIST.

Lush and other wingnuts are pushing it as a way to discredit the left and cause problems at the convention.

[guruoo]

57. Ahh geez, not the freekin Communists again

Right on time to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

[tavalon]

61. A.N.S.W.E.R.

Ugh, I hope not. I was hoping they would lose their way on the way to Denver. Those people put my teeth on edge.

[ConsAreLiars]

62. Any evidence for that claim?

Thought not. Study "categorical thinking." See http://www.abdn.ac.uk/~psy423/dept/Macrae00.pdf . It's universal among the dittoheads and, unfortunately, still found among those who affiliate with rational orgs. I know that for people like you who think that way facts do not matter. Again, any evidence for your claim, other than your irrational belief system? No. Of course not. You are free to claim anything you wish because reality is not a factor in what you believe.

[stimbox]

63. The claim that it's not CIA, or that it's WWP related?

Larry Hales is an organizer for IAC and a leader in FIST, a WWP youth group.
"Hales has been a primary organizer of a number of anti-imperialist and anti-racist events in Denver. He is a leader of the youth group FIST--Fight Imperialism, Stand Together; a founder of Colorado United Communities Against Police Brutality; and an organizer with the International Action Center and the Troops Out Now Coalition.

Hales is also a principal organizer in the Recreate 68 Committee, which is planning protests to counter the Democratic National Convention to be held in Denver in August."

http://troopsoutnow.org/larryhales/

[ConsAreLiars]

74. Thank you, and I apologize

for my off the wall reaction. I was doing just what I condemned by leaping to a false implication after misreading your post.

[stimbox]

87. Thanks for the response and apology.

:hi:

[seemslikeadream]

44. You've already proven where you stand

Oh, yes, the Rocky Mountain News (Lou Kiltzer) also told a half truth, which is the same as a lie.

David Yeagley...an American Indian who spoke Monday in favor of Denver's Columbus Day parade, refuses to shake the hand of Glenn Spagnuolo, one of the activists planning to protest the event.


Photo, Dennis Schroeder.

That isn't what happened at all. After the discussion was over, Spagnuolo came up to the table where I was sitting, and the first thing I did was extend my hand to him. He refused! "I don't know you that well," he said. I responded, "Man, if you don't have the ability to offer the most basic convention of civilization...I can't help you." He thought about that, then in a moment, he extended his hand to me--after I was out of that mode. I said, "No. You've already proven where you stand." I wasn't going to play games, like he was. That's what happened. (Also, my doctorate is in music, not history. I'm always clear about that. But news people don't aften bother with such 'details.')

[stevebreeze]

58. the riots at the 68 convention were started by the police

Daley was far more to blame for the riots then any of the anti war people.

[EFerrari]

65. Exactly. As they were worldwide that year.

Contrast the engagement of young people in '68 with the nearly empty plaza at Columbia at the rally to commomerate the '68 demonstrations.

They're not trying to "recreate" police brutality but ACTIVISM, for pete's sake.

[followthemoney]

71. "The police aren't here to create disorder. They are here to ...

preserve disorder," sayeth the Daley.

[L. Coyote]

64. AND, American voters reply = = RECREATE 64 = = Woooo HOOO

[seemslikeadream]

66. I'm wondering if there is going to be a "little" thing with Iran

and then our convention will be an easy target for trouble making

[Phred42]

67. Sounds like what Rush Fat-Bastard is pushing

Probably involved

[EFerrari]

68. I think Mike got this one wrong, although, no doubt our friendly government

will do their best to scare the sh!t out of us and to divide us and to tar anti-war activists.

That's pretty much what we pay them to do, no?

[gulfcoastliberal]

69. Interesting how they use the NED/CIA clenched fist symbol.

Hmm.

[stimbox]

70. Which the cia/ned CO-OPTED from various left wing groups. n/t

[readmoreoften]

81. The clenched fist symbol is not CIA. That's like saying the red or black star is CIA.

If they used it that's because it's common.

[barbtries]

72. i checked out the site

and did not see one person's name on it...

[Greyskye]

73. Anarchists who plan on disrupting both the DNC and RNC conventions

http://shiftshapers.gnn.tv/blogs/23653/DNC_RNC_2008_Resistance_Updates

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=2007carolinas-consulta

In the second link is discussion of methods of shutting down both cities during the conventions with marches and protests.

[Chimichurri]

75. The Gypsy House Cafe. Is this a Colbert bit?

Should have been at the Dirty Hippy Lounge

[Tinksrival]

77. kick

[New Dawn]

79. There are always protests at the national conventions

It was the same in 2004 (at both the DNC and the RNC). I do not believe this is a "CIA front". That being said, the possibility of agents provocateurs causing problems at protests is always real - and often happens (such as in Seattle in 1999).

[spooked]

82. WEIRD!! A FACE FLASHES on the screen every 10 Clicks or so!

Did anyone else see this?!

If you click on the different links around the picture in the upper left hand corner, and keep going back to home, a face flashes for a split second in the left hand side of the picture!

Can anyone make out what kind of face it is!? What would they be trying to do with this subliminal?

[Frank Cannon]

83. Here's the pic

I don't know if I would assign any significance to it, but it sure is weird.

[seemslikeadream]

86. Thanks!

What's with that face??

[Frank Cannon]

88. I don't know. It's strange.

It kind of reminds me of the picture on the cover of "The Exorcist" paperback from the '70s.

[seemslikeadream]

89. Did you see this?

http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2008/04/re-create-68-operation-chaos-and-rush.html

[Frank Cannon]

90. This whole thing is just bizarre

If this a real example of agent provocateurism in action, it's pretty ham-handed and over-the-top.

[spooked]

94. WHERE did the face go?

What happened? That's weird...Can you take it again?

[seemslikeadream]

95. It shows up when you click on the links

[spooked]

84. WOW!! I do know...

I do know that hypnotists can use points of lights coming out of eyes like that to induce a trance-like state.

Thanks for capturing it!

[spooked]

91. Comments on the WEIRD FACE anyone?

Who would put that subliminal in there?