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lordsummerisle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:42 PM
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Glenn Greenwald's Latest Take on Bush, McCain and Torture n/t
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lordsummerisle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:44 PM
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1. Actually there is text (link) in the OP n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 12:46 PM
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2. I've been screaming that for a long time now
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:00 PM
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3. McCain's PHONY "maverick" and "moderate" image is a HUGE & IGNORED issue
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-27-08 01:05 PM
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4. a portion of the text . . . . . "John McCain & Bush's Torture Powers":
Edited on Sun Apr-27-08 01:09 PM by charles t






Glenn Greenwald
Sunday April 27, 2008 10:40 EDT
John McCain and Bush's torture powers

An article by The New York Times's Mark Mazzetti this morning discloses a letter (.pdf) from the Justice Department to Congress which asserts "that American intelligence operatives attempting to thwart terrorist attacks can legally use interrogation methods that might otherwise be prohibited under international law." In other words, even after all of the dramatic anti-torture laws and other decrees, the Bush administration insists that American interrogators have the right to use methods that are widely considered violations of the Geneva Conventions if we decide that doing so might help "thwart terrorist attacks."

There are two reasons, and two reasons only, that the Bush administration is able to claim this power: John McCain and the Military Commissions Act. In September, 2006, McCain made a melodramatic display -- with great media fanfare -- of insisting that the MCA require compliance with the Geneva Conventions for all detainees. But while the MCA purports to require that, it also vested sole and unchallenged discretion in the President to determine what does and does not constitute a violation of the Conventions. After parading around as the righteous opponent of torture, McCain nonetheless endorsed and voted for the MCA, almost single-handedly ensuring its passage. That law pretends to compel compliance with the Conventions, while simultaneously vesting the President with the power to violate them -- precisely the power that the President is invoking here to proclaim that we have the right to use these methods. As Columbia Law Professor Michael Dorf wrote at the time:

"Americans following the news coverage of the debate about how to treat captives in the ongoing military conflicts could be forgiven for believing that the bill recently passed by Congress, the Military Commissions Act ("MCA"), was a compromise between a White House seeking far-reaching powers, and Senators seeking to restrain the Executive. After all, prior to reaching an agreement with the President, four prominent Republican Senators -- Susan Collins, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, and John Warner -- had drawn a line in the sand, refusing to go along with a measure that would have redefined the Geneva Conventions' references to "outrages upon personal dignity" and "humiliating and degrading treatment." No doubt many Americans believe that because these four courageous Senators stood on moral principle, the bill that emerged, and which President Bush will certainly sign, reflects a careful balance between liberty and security."

Yet if that is what Americans believe, they are sorely mistaken. On nearly every issue, the MCA gives the White House everything it sought. It immunizes government officials for past war crimes; it cuts the United States off from its obligations under the Geneva Conventions; and it all but eliminates access to civilian courts for non-citizens -- including permanent residents whose children are citizens -- that the government, in its nearly unreviewable discretion, determines to be unlawful enemy combatants.

Destroying the protections of the Geneva Conventions while pretending to preserve them . . .


http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/index.html

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