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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 07:40 PM Original message |
A scary forecast about peak oil from a University of AZ professor. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. Even if it happens, which I doubt |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I hope you're right. The alternative isn't pretty. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
48. Before you do anything else (and YES you should hold onto that |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
89. you can hold off on the solar panels for now... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. er... |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Yeah, god forbid someone have a little optimism ... I mean who cares about the 1 in 4 depressives? |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. What the hell is optimism going to do for you when you go to your |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
43. Bingo! Right On! n/t |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #43 |
94. Yeah, let's cheer on the oncoming suicides! That's the spirit! |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #94 |
120. Here's optimism. grow your own food. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #120 |
154. And I believe that's what I said n/t |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
45. I'll get on my bicycle |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Whatever... |
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AZ Criminal JD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 02:22 AM Response to Reply #50 |
101. Yes, N. Korea is a country we should aspire to |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #101 |
125. Nice way to goto from zero to 60 in nothing flat. |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #101 |
129. which means that they are more likely to survive much better than we are. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #101 |
139. Did I say anything about aspiring to be like N. Korea? No. |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
215. Seriously, I think now is a good time to invest in a small fleet of them.. |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #17 |
75. We shouldn't downplay optimism to much. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:20 AM Response to Reply #75 |
95. I'm awake. So are most of the Californians I know. |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:57 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. I agree that its not the end of the world, but its not Y2K either. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 06:07 AM Response to Reply #99 |
104. That's a more reasonable, balanced perspective |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #104 |
121. That's a good pitfall you recognized. |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #121 |
153. Pragmatism, not optimism |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #153 |
162. Very good point. Listen, melody, you've got this idea that |
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napoleon_in_rags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #153 |
213. Its true. The people who could be truly regretful are the gastric bypass crowd. |
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davekriss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #95 |
207. Y2K was a non-event precisely because ... |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:15 AM Response to Reply #17 |
92. Let's put it this way, 1/4 of the people reading this now have some form of depression |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #92 |
108. !!! |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #92 |
116. How many of the thousands of potentially damaging threads |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #116 |
155. Just because I can't dispute them all doesn't mean I can't dispute this one |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. I'm not salivating and I'm not terrified and Im not an "endtimer". But |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. Have you read nothing I've written? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #163 |
185. "I own my house outright along with a very large yard that all can be planted." |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. You'll be needing water for that garden. LOL |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #163 |
189. Are you still accusing me of cheering the... |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #92 |
205. Study said depressives have a heightened sense of reality: they dont wear rose colored glasses like |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #205 |
220. You mean one study |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
152. Agreed |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #152 |
223. Sure there is a plan! It's called "Fuck the Victims of Katrina" on a global scale! |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Not in the long run |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. I work in the alternative energy industry. I do the reasearch |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #29 |
58. Yep, I'm adjusting right now |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #58 |
68. I trained myself to design and manage websites |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #68 |
130. I'm growing potatoes for the simple reason that flour, wheat flour... |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #130 |
222. I'm going to try growing potatoes for the first time this year. |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #29 |
91. Actually we can ramp up in a timely manner. Especially once we take into |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #91 |
133. Sigh... |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #91 |
135. You obviously have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, so... |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #135 |
180. As P.T. Barnam would have said if he were alive today |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #135 |
186. Of course not, |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #186 |
188. "I'm just an energy policy analyst |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #188 |
201. We apparently do not look at the same sources. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #201 |
202. Now that is fascinating. It doesn't address the issue of |
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kristopher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #202 |
206. Some things to chew on |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 07:31 AM Response to Reply #29 |
106. Um, just FYI here, |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #106 |
136. Lake Cleburne. And, yes, whoever can grow food should do so. n/t |
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WindRiverMan (693 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #29 |
161. As I type this, I am sitting about ten miles east of the 2nd largest |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #161 |
181. Any idea of the net output of US natural gas? |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #181 |
191. And the furious pace, despite greed, indicates that there is |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #161 |
190. Hi Pinedale! Former Jackson resident here. Same thing here |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:22 AM Response to Reply #15 |
96. Don't even try -- these guys want to believe the worst. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #96 |
138. Nobody's drooling for widespread pain and panic. Tell you what, |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #138 |
151. Ah, but you are. And no one has ignored the warnings. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #151 |
166. No I'm not. I've researched both sides of the issue and, just as |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #166 |
177. Again, you're not reading what I've said, so I would have doubt about any of your pronouncements |
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aasleka (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
34. ha! |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. HOLY SHITE!!!11!1 |
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aasleka (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #52 |
193. You saying it isn't true? Mind refuting it? |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. Huh? |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
70. compressed air,, are people really this stupid |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
79. Sorry to disappoint you natrat |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #70 |
131. I figure they are so afraid of the consequences of their inaction that they are now grasping at |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
74. You missed it on the air thing. |
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TheFriendlyAnarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. True, but there is energy required to compress the air. |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #74 |
132. where comes the energy to compress the air. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #132 |
134. It will be a plug in via solar panels. but that's not what concerns me... |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 12:58 AM Response to Reply #74 |
204. Compressing air is horribly energy-inefficient |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
87. life always does change...that's the point. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 02:14 AM Response to Reply #9 |
100. IEC fusion/"polywell" reactors. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
219. Life always changes. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. not overnight it can't... not even in a month or two... switch will take years |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Oh I know |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
57. I don't know what it is about you, but... |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. Try using "compressed air" for tractors, trains and ships which transport all the food and goods... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. Um, how about eating locally and not buying so much plastic crap from China?? |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Thats all well and good but you can't feed 6.7 billion people without petroleum fuel presently.. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. We will have to change agriculture then |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
183. "you can't feed 6.7 billion people without petroleum fuel" |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #49 |
86. "eating locally" isn't something i'm interested in doing... |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #86 |
119. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of CSAs in the Midwest. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #119 |
156. i do have a huge garden...but i like tropical fruit, and seafood...and fresh produce in the winter. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. I never said use compressed air for agriculture or shipping |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. How does coal fit into the "carbon footprint" thingy that everyone espouses these days? |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. In America we use about 40-50 billion gallons of diesel a year |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #40 |
127. Because as americans we all feel this sense of self entitlement? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
137. Well, that would be fine. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
55. I live in alaska. we can't grow things past a certain date. |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #1 |
128. I figure the best bet is to assume the worst case scenario is going to be true |
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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
143. You MUST read this: "Net Energy and Jevons' Paradox" |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
159. If Oil is at $200/bbl, huge deposits that were uneconomical to extract |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 12:44 AM Response to Reply #159 |
203. And those $200/barrel fields will yield $6-$10/gallon gas |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #203 |
214. Well then, hurry up and die so the rest of us can have more room |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #214 |
216. I've chatted with my grandmother abou the Great Depression often |
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Burma Jones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #216 |
218. Granted, there are a lot more people around these days |
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WillyToad (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
226. Oil is the problem, not the solution |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. Better dust off my Euell Gibbons books |
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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Or Jethro Kloss' seminal herbal medicine book, "Back to Eden," first published in 1939. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #2 |
115. "Ever eat a pine tree? Many parts are edible." |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #115 |
145. My favorite! |
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kittykitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
158. Cat Tails in the spring are delicious! You have to find them before the cat tail emerges and |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. This is why |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. You don't have to be a fucking professor to |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:11 PM Response to Reply #12 |
64. So, as an aside, how does one store flour for any length of time |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. I found a source for sealed dry-storage barrels similar to |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. Thanks, that's actually very useful |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 05:58 AM Response to Reply #71 |
103. wouldn't it store longer if you bought whole grains and a hand-powered mill? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
33. Economics is disconnected from reality |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
46. Neoclassical macroeconomics ignores most natural laws |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
5. U of AZ professors probably have sunstroke. Peak oil predictions |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #5 |
59. What are you talking about? |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #59 |
78. Plenty of oil analysts think we could have until 2018 before global production peaks. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. We're already pulling out less than we did in the 70's |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. US production peaked in the 70's. GLOBAL peak production is still |
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NickB79 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #84 |
184. We've been on a production plateau since 2005 |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #184 |
192. And the longer the plateau is, the steeper |
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Indiana_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
6. Another enlightened one! Yay! Don't be afraid, become prepaired and informed. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
8. And what of "Necessity is the Mother of invention" ... ? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
10. This is the culture change we need --- |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
25. ok that doesn't change the fact that a whole lot of people are going to die in such a transition |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
42. Well, if they insist on holing up in their McMansions and |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
61. I wish it were the McMansion SUV drivers who are going to die first, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
140. Only if we continue to fail to respond . . . |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
13. These are nothing more than people in love with the "endtimes" in other forms |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
141. Everyone will not survive the chaotic weather to come . . . |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #141 |
157. Okay then we should be terrified and put a gun in our mouths? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #157 |
164. Or, you can plant a tree, protest to government, keep others informed . . . |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #164 |
179. The ones who push for the end times (and wish for them) are never the ones who kill themselves |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
14. We'd go back to a pre-World War I lifestyle, |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
26. the only reason there are 300 million americans is oil-subtract that and subtract 275 million people |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. I'm pretty sure there were more than 25 million Americans before WWI |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
51. Heck, it wouldn't even be totally pre-WW II. We can still have antibiotics and |
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galledgoblin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
16. I buy that we're reaching or already passed peak oil... |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Yup |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. so you think that new york a city of 10 million can feed itself locally in winter , please |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Do they need bananas from Latin America |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. New York City had 5.3 million people in 1914 |
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galledgoblin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #27 |
85. NYC alone? no of course not |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
19. Seven words that make all the difference (in my case): |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
35. yea a little cabin in the woods somewhere might do the trick,but yea time is critical |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Fuck a cabin. |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
62. I've been salivating over my front yard for a week now |
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Leftist Agitator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Where do you live, tavalon? |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
81. Well, my knowledge base isn't good and needs to get better asap |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:25 PM Response to Original message |
21. Peak oil is clearly near or already here, but these predictions are a bit much. |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Population growth drops to 0 once a country gets decent healthcare |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
66. A good long term investment |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:55 PM Response to Reply #66 |
77. "Extraterrestrial human colonies?" Hell, we can't even build a decent space station on time.... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
165. Patriarchy and organized patriarchal religions, of course, also impact |
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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:33 PM Response to Original message |
24. Only the Amish, Scientologists (underground bunker) and members of polygamous cults will survive! |
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tavalon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
63. Not all of us are cults |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
28. I've been redoing my yard over the years |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
53. If you don't have it already, pick up a copy of |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 05:31 AM Response to Reply #53 |
102. I would love to have chickens |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 06:18 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. how about guinea pigs? |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #28 |
112. I'm the same way -- I eat what I find. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #28 |
168. Presumabl y this once was all the Garden of Eden . . . |
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coriolis (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
31. The only part of that scenario that is debatable is the timing. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
169. The symptoms have been obvious to anyone paying attention since the 1980's . . . |
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aasleka (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
32. Boogeyman! |
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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Or, perhaps he's heard of all of those things, but wants to make sure new technologies are greenlit |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
170. Anything more based on the burning of fossil fuels is OVER . . . |
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Rydz777 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
36. It's a basic fact that the whole globalization project depends |
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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
39. All I know is that I want my Mommy. |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
47. I think he is assuming (wrongly) that no one on the planet will figure out how to |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. I don't agree with this assessment either, but we are in for some HARD times ahead... |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:17 AM Response to Reply #56 |
93. Some of us have already been through horrible times ... this is nothing |
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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
72. Wow ... I was a little scared when I started this thread. |
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patrick t. cakes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
82. how long do seeds keep? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-27-08 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
88. There is always someone saying this. How is it connected to reality? |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:21 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. How is it connected to reality? |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #90 |
107. The future is not reality. The present is. Simple enough. |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #107 |
117. Well... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #88 |
171. The future was made quite fuzzy by oil industry propaganda over 30+ years . . . |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:35 AM Response to Original message |
97. For this I quit smoking? nt |
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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 09:57 PM Response to Reply #97 |
200. OK, Bluebear, now THAT made me laugh amid the doom and gloom! |
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Neshanic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:44 AM Response to Original message |
98. Dope cloud over Tucson will power the future say U of A researchers. |
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SmokingJacket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
109. Can't wait! We'll eat the deer in my yard. nt |
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dawgman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #109 |
126. I'll go for the thousands of rabbits at greenlake. |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
110. One gallon of gasoline can physically move my car 45 miles... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
111. On DU, Doom and gloom sells like hot pizza in NYC. Why is that? |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Because people like extremes? |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #111 |
118. Ok, from now on... |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #118 |
122. Lots more critical reasoning. I like that idea. |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
114. according to the mayans |
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L. Coyote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:16 AM Response to Reply #114 |
123. according to the pseudo-scientist, tree-killing publisher maybe. My Maya friends |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #114 |
148. The mayans had a cyclic calendar. |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
124. The Survivors will envy the dead! |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:20 PM Response to Reply #124 |
142. Nah |
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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. You must put an end to your ignorance, friend. |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #144 |
174. Read the two articles |
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leeroysphitz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #174 |
198. How DARE you go and post something positive after th OP went to all the trouble |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #142 |
150. Looks like you are right about flour storage. The way I |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
146. Peak Oil will spur rapid development of alternative energy sources |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #146 |
173. Or, those who control our natural resources will CONTINUE to stop them . . . |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #146 |
196. #1 Problem: No one wants wind-power, nuclear, coal or solar facilities in their backyards.. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #196 |
199. I want solar on my roof |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
147. A tad bit over the top |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #147 |
149. Anything I can use as leverage to get my boss to allow me to telecommute more often is good with me |
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Stuckinthebush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #149 |
178. Good angle! |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
167. 100% umemployment! |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #167 |
175. Lol I know right |
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lutefisk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #167 |
195. That's assuming Bush is still the POTUS. . .n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
172. Continuing to burn fossil fuels is what is deadly for us . . . |
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Locrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
176. scary |
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Subdivisions (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:58 PM Original message |
It's already happening all over the planet. But, alas, |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
225. It's not a conspiracy if it can be documented. |
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Ganja Ninja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
182. The more expensive it gets the more viable the other options get. |
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rdenney (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-28-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #182 |
197. True but in the meantime, lots of humans will be without power, food and clean water... |
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tjwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #197 |
209. I hate to break this to you... |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
208. but the oil companies' officers and their families |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
210. Maybe the Mayans are right and we |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #210 |
224. Sure doesn't look impossible, does it? |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #224 |
227. Thx for the link! nt |
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BeHereNow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #227 |
228. You are welcome! Pass it on!!!!!!!! |
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frogcycle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
211. the single most important thing humanity can do |
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Locrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #211 |
212. population |
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Virginia Dare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #211 |
217. An earlier thread said 1 billion could be displaced by 2050.. |
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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-29-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #211 |
221. It's all the polygamous cult's fault! |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #221 |
229. The wife and I are going to have two |
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gauguin57 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-30-08 08:52 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. Well, and since I'm having none, we balance each other out! |
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