Supremes to the poor, the elderly, and Democrats: "Fuck You"

[Stinky The Clown]

Supreme Court upholds photo ID law for voters in Indiana

By MARK SHERMAN – 2 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court has ruled that states can require voters to produce photo identification without violating their constitutional rights. The decision validates Republican-inspired voter ID laws.

The court vote 6-3 to uphold Indiana's strict photo ID requirement. Democrats and civil rights groups say the law would deter poor, older and minority voters from casting ballots.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iegvd98ph9koi4IJgrhdaPAwZsxQD90ATLAO1

[DS1]

1. When do we all get our free Federal ID cards?

That should remove any complaint over the matter.

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

2. To be somewhat fair

The courts decision does not say they can require federal id does it?

I do agree that any jurisdiction that requires photo id damn well better give it out..

[slackmaster]

5. Amazingly enough, the state of Indiana charges no fee for non-driver ID cards for voting purposes

http://www.in.gov/bmv/3378.htm#Identification%20Card%20Fees

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

11. Then this plus allowing provisional ballots

would seem to me to be enough..

[Breeze54]

17. Yes they do charge for it. - The cards cost $13 and are valid for six years but

If you are at least 65 years old or disabled, the cost is $10. If you can't afford to pay for
a state ID card, you may be issued one for free if the proper documentation is presented.

That's where the jumping through hoops comes in....

How to Apply

http://www.dmv.org/in-indiana/id-cards.php

To apply for a state ID card, just go to any license agency. Make sure to bring along proof of both your identity and your date of birth from the state's acceptable documentation list. You'll need to provide one document each from the primary, secondary, and proof of residency groups. Or, you can show two documents from the primary group and one from the proof of residency group.

Only original documents or certified copies will be allowed. If your Social Security number is not already on the Bureau of Motor Vehicles' internal register, you will need to provide proof of that, too, from the acceptable documentation list.

All documents must be in English, and in your name. (English translation is also acceptable.)
A foreign driver's license is not an approved form of identification.

If you use documents from the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration/Naturalization Service, or Citizenship and Immigration Service, they will need to be approved by the Central Verification Process before a state ID card will be issued.

You may receive a temporary ID document until that verification process has been completed. The fees for this are the same as listed above; if your identification documents are approved, your state ID card will be mailed to you.

If your identification isn't approved, you will receive a letter explaining the steps to appeal that decision; however, you will not be eligible to apply for a refund.

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If a person needs an ID, they may not make the May 6th deadline gathering all the documents.

Take a look at the acceptable documentation list
http://www.dmv.org/loading-page.php?mainnav_id=33&stateid=14&state=Indiana§ion=Identification+Cards&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.in.gov%2Fbmv%2Ffiles%2Fidreq.pdf

Utility bills are not acceptable as proof of residency but a surveyors report is?
It seems like an odd list of documents that are required, instead of the common sense forms of proof

but they WILL accept your VOTER REGISTRATION CARD as proof!! :crazy:

[slackmaster]

18. Please go back and look at the table in the link I posted in reply #5

A card that is good for voter ID for six years is "FREE".

[Breeze54]

22. Please look at the actual Indiana DMV website, they cost $13.00, over 65yrs they cost $10.00

They are free if you have all the required documentation.... in English Only!

[slackmaster]

23. Uh, your link goes to dmv.org - an "unofficial guide"

Mine goes to the real thing.

Edited to correct typo in Subject line.

BTW - I was not aware that things like US Passports and US military IDs, bank statements from US banks, Social Security cards, local utility bills in Indiana, etc. were available in languages other than English.

[Breeze54]

27. OK, you're right on that but the fee's are the same for an Indiana ID Card

Identification Card

http://www.in.gov/bmv/3378.htm#Identification%20Card%20Fees

Indiana residents of any age may obtain an identification card from any license branch in any county.

To obtain a free identification card for voting purposes, you must visit a license branch with
sufficient documentation and state that you need a free identification card for voting purposes.

Please view our full identification requirements list to determine whether you have sufficient documentation. http://www.in.gov/bmv/3470.htm#2

Identification Card - 6 Year 13.00
Identification Card For Voting Purposes - 6 Year FREE
Duplicate or Amended Identification Card 13.00
Special Identification Card - 6 Year
(Ages 65 and over or Disabled) 10.00
Duplicate Special Identification Card - 6 Year
(Ages 65 and over or Disabled) 10.00
Amended Special Identification Card - 6 Year
(Ages 65 and over or Disabled) 10.00

[slackmaster]

29. No, the ID card for voting purposes is free

:argh:

To obtain a free identification card for voting purposes, you must visit a license branch with sufficient documentation and state that you need a free identification card for voting purposes.

And you are saying that discriminates against Democrats and poor people?

[Breeze54]

31. Voter ID's are BS! That's what I'm saying .... there's no evidence that "voter fraud" is a problem!

Allegations of widespread fraud by malevolent voters are easy to make, but often prove to be inflated or inaccurate. Crying “wolf” when the claims are unsubstantiated distracts attention from real problems that need real solutions. Moreover, these claims are frequently used to justify policies – including restrictive photo identification rules – that could not solve the alleged wrongs, but that could well disenfranchise legitimate voters.

The Brennan Center carefully examines allegations of fraud to get at the truth behind the claims.

Two New Reports:

http://truthaboutfraud.org/

# An analysis of more than 250 claims of fraud in the Supreme Court's photo ID case

* Finding not one proven case of a fraudulent vote that the challenged law could prevent

* Exposing false assertions that photo ID is required for common activities


# The Truth About Voter Fraud, examining inflated claims of voter fraud nationwide

* Debunking claims of double voting, dead voters, and more


See more about the link between voter fraud and restrictive ID rules here and here.

[ReformedChris]

3. Right or Wrong, This Issue's a Loser For Democrats Due to RW Fueled Immigrant Hatred at the Moment..

I doubt we will see any substantial action or issue made of this decision by the SCOTUS. Its also telling with the 6-3 split, we are going to see this court take a hard swerve to the right in the years to come. Controversial Issues won't come down to 1 Justice anymore.

[kenny blankenship]

4. 40 years of voting rights progress are being erased in eyeblinks.

[zorahopkins]

6. Alles Ist In Ordung?

Are your papers in order, citizen?

We need to see your papers!

NOW!

Coming soon to Amerikkka.

[slackmaster]

7. It's a hardship on the elderly and anyone who has problems with mobility

But why for the poor and for Democrats?

:shrug:

[dysfunctional press]

12. why for the elderly?

:shrug:

[slackmaster]

15. I am assuming that elderly people generally have problems with transportation

Someone with no friends to drive them to the BMV office or whatever they call them in Indiana.

You have to appear in person to get the card. I don't believe there is any way around that.

[dysfunctional press]

21. the vast vast majority of elderly people i know have no such problems...

they drive, get someone to drive them, or avail themselves of free ride programs for seniors.

they also generally have more free time to get these types of 'errands' done than most working stiffs.

[Stinky The Clown]

28. How many are in the inner cities?

Or in (other) minority enclaves?

[dysfunctional press]

34. the inner cities would probably have even better options for public transit.

and more locations to obtain the proper i.d.

[zonmoy]

13. how much are they planning to charge for the id's

if they price the id's high enough only rich right wingers will be allowed to vote. also they might be able to issue the id's only to people they know will vote for them and nobody else.

[slackmaster]

16. The card is free - see reply #5

Clearly any fee would violate the federal Voting Rights Act.

[zonmoy]

19. You really think that the cabal wouldn't find any and all possible ways

to make the card costly and to find a way either to repeal or get around the voting rights act if they can. I don't think the free cards will last too long. just long enough for them to find a way to declare the voting rights act unconstitutional or find some other way to gut it.

[slackmaster]

24. The card is free

What else can I say?

[zonmoy]

26. wont stay that way for long

what else can I say.

[slackmaster]

30. Charging a fee for a card that is required to vote would violate the Voting Rights Act

It would be a poll tax. Instant federal case.

Take off your tinfoil hat.

[zonmoy]

33. yeah the perfect way for them to throw out the voting rights act by declaring it unconstitutional.

[Breeze54]

20. $13.00 but free if you have ALL the proper documentation... in ENGLISH ONLY!!

:eyes:

Like your Voter Registration Card! :crazy:

http://www.dmv.org/in-indiana/id-cards.php

[slackmaster]

25. Your link does not go to an official state of Indiana government site

:argh:

See my link in reply #5 for authoritative information.

[Breeze54]

32. You felt the need to make this statement twice? And that site has the SAME info!!

Talk about anal.

[slackmaster]

35. I think you are being defensive

You're the one who, twice, posted a link and incorrectly called it an official site.

[undeterred]

8. This is an opportunity for activism.

If there are potential Democratic voters being disenfranchised- we are the ones who should be canvassing neighborhoods, making sure that people know the law and are ready to vote. I know that doesn't help for the upcoming primary in Indiana, but we should be doing this across the country anyway.

[slackmaster]

9. I don't see how you could make an argument that Democrats are disproportionally affected

Please explain.

[undeterred]

14. That's the argument that is usually made.

At least for low income and black voters- they are usually Democrats. I wouldn't say that about seniors- we can't really assume anything. I don't mean we should just help people who say they will vote for Democrats. But if you register people it does give you a chance to talk about their concerns and tell them why they might want to vote Democratic.

[dysfunctional press]

10. it's not quite as onerous as it first sounds...and even stevens agreed with it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080428/ap_on_go_su_co/scotus_voter_id

Indiana provides IDs free of charge to the poor and allows voters who lack photo ID to cast a provisional ballot and then show up within 10 days at their county courthouse to produce identification or otherwise attest to their identity.