Texas officials just reporting re FLDS sect

[fed_up_mother]

that chief of State Protective Services telling legislature that numerous physical injuries including broken bones in "very" young children.

Mothers who stayed with their children launched a coordinated effort to coach children, etc.

This according to MSNBC.

[Gold Metal Flake]

1. "...coordinated effort to coach children..."

You mean, coach children on how to answer investigator's questions? You mean the moms are coaching the children on cover stories, evasive answers and lies?

[fed_up_mother]

2. Yes, sorry I'm so incoherent

Too much antihistimine for my allergies, I think. :(

[Gold Metal Flake]

4. That is what I thought, which is to be expected.

Coaching children victims to lie to investigators is SOP for adult sociopaths.

[uppityperson]

17. Yes, they also switched clothing, kids, tampered with wristbands.

To confuse as to who was who and with whom.

[Gold Metal Flake]

18. Trying to obfuscate the investigations.

The chain must be broken.

[LanternWaste]

3. This is getting nuts.

This is getting nuts. It's looking worse and worse for the FLDS-- I don't think their PR blitz was nearly as effective as they had thought, and now this...

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[LanternWaste]

7. Yeah.... I've had a few run-ins with these guys.

Yeah.... I've had a few e-run-ins with these guys over the course of the past few weeks as this story's been developing.

Just really makes a person wonder-- "what is their real agenda-- just another youth predictably raging against the state on a message board, or something a bit more... subtle?"

[fed_up_mother]

8. Well, there are a few folks who believe the age of consent should be

lowered considerably, so even if they dislike the behavior of this cult, they can't conceive of statutory rape. And these people are on both sides of the political spectrum, I believe.

Personally, I think they're sick. Any thirty year old man who tried to have sex with a thirteen year old girl needs to be in prison for a long time.

[LanternWaste]

10. I initially thought them to be nothing more than

I initially thought them to be nothing more than the run-of-the-mill, left-leaning libertarian with his fist in the air and his head in the sand. Railing with indignation against anything the state does as "another example of fascism".

I'm not so sure now. Maybe you're right. Maybe they're into underage girls. :shrug:

[fed_up_mother]

11. Some are into young girls; some are into young boys

Both groups believe the age of consent should be considerably lowered. You can find info on the web. They're sick, imo, but if they harm a child, they deserve to be in jail.

[Marrah_G]

15. I thought that also

But they are deliberately ignoring the information out there and refuse to see anything wrong with what is being done to these girls.

This goes WAY beyond the sexual aspect. These girls are denied their basic rights and are denied even the knowledge of those rights.

This is a case of slavery. Real slavery doesn't involve chains.

[fed_up_mother]

16. Actually, I was referring to people who want to lower the age of consent

in our general population. Some are into girls; some are into boys.

But you're right. A few men have claimed that they were sexually abused as children in this cult.

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[uppityperson]

14. Statutory rapist. NOT pedophile. Please get terms right.

One is a psychological definition that I don't think most of us are educated enough to diagnose, the other is a legal definition that is the legal issue here.

Besides that, they they can't whine "I never said that".

[fed_up_mother]

6. I'm wondering what "numerous" means

and how young is very young?

Very young children who are supervised properly shouldn't have broken bones. Somewhat older kids, can break a bone falling out of a tree, off the swingset, playing sports, etc.

Oh, wait. They don't have swingsets or play sports. :eyes:

I know things happen. I had a young child whose elbow would get dislocated easily, and I was always so afraid I would be charged with child abuse. I remember when it happened while she was at my friend's house that my first thought was "Oh, good. They can't blame me." :( However, none of my kids ever had broken bones while "very young."

(I'm the person in this family whose had the most broken bones! LOL)

[kestrel91316]

9. "Very young" = "waterboarding age". Just my theory.

[uppityperson]

13. Another article, link...

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/050108dnmetcps.b440e1cf.html

Dozens of youngsters swept by the state from a polygamist sect suffered broken or fractured bones in the past, some when children were "very young," Texas' top protective services official said today.

Carey Cockerell, head of the Department of Family and Protective Services, the parent agency of Child Protective Services, told a Senate panel that medical exams of the 463 youngsters removed from the sect discovered that 41 had previous bone breaks or fractures."Several of these fractures have been found in very young children," Mr. Cockerell testified before the Senate Health and Human Services Committee. He did not specify their ages.

Mr. Cockerell said some individual youngsters experienced more than one bone break or fracture. He did not elaborate. At least initially, senators heeded Committee Chairwoman Jane Nelson's request they not ask questions about the April 4 raid and child removals so as not to jeopardize the ongoing legal investigation.
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Of course there are children who have had a broken arm or a broken leg, he said. "But to this magnitude – the picture they’re painting is very misleading," Mr. Jessop said. "It will never be able to be backed up with any facts." According to the Web site of the Seattle Children’s Hospital, about half of all boys and a quarter of all girls break a bone sometime during childhood.

Mr. Cockerell also disclosed new details about difficulties the state had in keeping track of the children at makeshift shelters it set up in San Angelo this month. He said it tried three different times to have each youngster and mother wear a wristband but some were tampered with. Also, he said some mothers switched children, and some exchanged clothes with one another, changing their own and the children's appearances. He said the sect’s mothers are use to "sharing motherly duties, including breast feeding."