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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:18 PM
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What should be done with parents that pray their kids to death?
From Wisconsin:

Parents in Diabetes Prayer Death to Face Charges

WESTON, Wis. (AP) -- Parents who prayed as their 11-year-old daughter died of untreated diabetes will be charged with second-degree reckless homicide, the Marathon County district attorney said Monday.

Click Here to read the criminal complaint and police reports

"It is very surprising, shocking that she wasn't allowed medical intervention," District Attorney Jill Falstad said.

She announced the charges Monday during a news conference at the Everest Metro Police Department with Police Chief Dan Vergin. Vergin has said Dale and Leilani Neumann told investigators their daughter Madeline last saw a doctor when she was 3 to get some shots.

The couple face up to 25 years in prison if convicted.

Madeline -- called Kara by her parents -- died Easter Sunday at the family's rural Weston home. An autopsy determined she died from undiagnosed diabetic ketoacidosis, an ailment that left her with too little insulin in her body.

More...
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/18336074.html


Sickening.

I hope they go to jail and then try to 'pray' their way out.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:19 PM
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1. They should be charged with Murder.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:27 PM
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9. Neglect, certainly
and I'm sure that's what they will be charged with.

Religious lunacy used to land people in state mental hospitals in saner times. Now they walk the street, vote GOP and neglect their kids to death.

Since these people didn't mind using doctors for their own ailments, this is a clear case of neglect and it's going to be a very long time before either of them gets to screw up their other kids.

My own question is why the hell their other family members didn't alert CPS before this poor child died. They knew she was sick and getting worse and worse and that her nutcase parents were waiting for Jesus to show up with heavenly trumpets blaring. Why the hell didn't they drop a dime to CPS? Were they waiting for their nutcase relatives to go sane?

At some point, you really do have to step in and I wonder why nobody did.

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:20 PM
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2. In a just world, they would get diabetes and be offered only prayer as treatment.
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:22 PM
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6. I agree completely - nt
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:21 PM
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3. Charged with murder...
...and then they can pray NOT to get the death penalty...
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:21 PM
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4. charged with murder
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:22 PM
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5. Religious beliefs are a fine thing, when they only affect yourself, but negatively affect others...
and you deserve getting thrown in jail. The parent's freedom of religion ended when it prevented them from providing care to their child.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:24 PM
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7. Unless this child was home-schooled,
it would seem to me that teachers or someone would have noticed that something was physically wrong with the child. Why wasn't Child Protection called on this matter?
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:03 PM
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16. The kid was home schooled
so teachers weren't available to notice. Apparently the grandmother finally got wise to what was going on and called authorities, but it was too late. The article I read mentioned there were other people in the house at the time the child died and who were urging the parents to get her to the ER. I also read that the mother told authorities that they needn't worry about doing an autopsy because her daughter would be alive by the next day. I truly don't understand the mindset of such people - if my little girl were ill, sure I'd give her a Reiki treatment - as I was taking her to the doctor's office.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:19 PM
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17. Yeah
I mean, I use alternative medicine all the time, and will try that first. But if it doesn't work, I'll go the "cut and drug" route.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:26 PM
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8. Well, if we applied the principles used by the Religious Right
to attempt to deny gay Americans from having children, these people shouldn't be allowed to procreate because their beliefs would pose a threat to the life of a child. Heck, they just hate the gays parenting because they think the kid will become "gay". . .yet that is a far worse social crime to "religious" people than their own mental illness destroying the health and life of a child.

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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:33 PM
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10. A very long jail term and sterilization. n/t
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:34 PM
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11. I understand prayer, and why it's useful...
But how the hell can people born in this day and age be so intentionally ignorant?

Maybe when these people are in Jail, they'll be two less McCain voters out there. I know that's an assumption, but where stupidity and ignorance pool...
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:35 PM
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12. 20 years to life. n/t
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:52 PM
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13. Hook 'em up to the electric chair...
but give them an hour to pray their way out of it. If their faith is strong enough to allow them to survive the current, then let them go.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 12:53 PM
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14. As I understand the Criminal Code
That would qualify as Manslaughter by negligence or deprave indifference.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 01:14 PM
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15. As long as there are strong religious beliefs, things like this will
happen - sometimes prayer performs miracles - so I have been told.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 02:21 PM
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18. But even those who believe in prayer
usually also believe in getting a checkup from a doctor. I have friends who pray for people's healing as a part of their work (though they don't get paid to do it), but they also insist that people be checked out by doctors.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-30-08 03:28 PM
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19. That's a sign of enlightenment.
These people, and everyone like them, need to be taken out of society.
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