O’Reilly: ‘We Didn’t Invade Iraq’

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O’Reilly: ‘We Didn’t Invade Iraq’

Yesterday, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly made the incredible claim that the United States never invaded Iraq: “We didn’t invade Iraq.” He added, “It was a declaration of war, it was a declaration to enforce the first Gulf War Treaty.” Watch it:

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/30/oreilly-invade-iraq/
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Bill O giving Doug Feith a run for his money.

[DAGDA56]

1. Self delete...not in GD-P

[laststeamtrain]

9. What's that buzzing sound?

Obama-noise bleeding through the walls into GD.

Hand me a fly swatter.

[DAGDA56]

12. Sorry I didn't notice the subheading...I'll delete it myself.

[xxqqqzme]

2. watch it - no thanks

KO will be mentioning it tonight.

[DontTreadOnMe]

3. Candidate Decisions?

so you are running for political office... which TV talk shows do you appear on to strengthen your credibility?

[maxsolomon]

4. 5 years in, there is STILL no Declaration of War

and, brother, it's a fucking war.

[Clear Blue Sky]

5. When was the last war we actually declared? WW2?

[phantom power]

6. Yep. WW2.

[madokie]

15. You bet it is, It might not be to someone but to the ones who matter it damn sure is war

Our Troops is who it matters

[pitohui]

7. say what?

and we were able to declare war on this country without invading it how exactly?

i'm pretty sure we have american and nato troops in iraq, we are not fighting this from the comforts of some aircraft zooming by overhead once in awhile

does this guy know the meaning of the word "invasion"? because you almost get the impression that he's a moronic fuckwit

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. We still have140,000 uninvited American tourists in Iraq?

It must be the beaches, balmy weather, and warmhearted, friendly, people that keep them there.

[pitohui]

10. that and the antiquities, you know those crazy tourists, they're all about the antiquities EOM

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[poppysgal]

14. Preach it brother

and by the way amen.:toast:

[Blue_Tires]

17. some twisted circles view it as something like a 'business venture'

a very complex, bloody, high-risk/high-reward business venture....and of course, certain people can't count the profits fast enough...So think of our countrymen over there as investors -- with guns (only that they risk the taxpayers' money instead of their own, and take the dividends for themselves).

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

11. Maybe what he really means is that

we didn't invade Iraq because it already belonged to us, especially all of our oil under our desert around Baghdad and south, east, and west somewhat.

[mr_hat]

13. And because we don't torture in order to punish >

it can't be considered cruel and unusual.

Amazing how those with the unchecked conceit of power can parse what was once unquestioned into brutal nonsense.

[Fovea]

16. It all depends on what the meaning of "Oh God, Please Stop!" is.

If we carefully explain to the victim that this is not about punishment, merely the need to know, it is all ok.

What is the line from the Princess' Bride?
"Do be honest, this is for science..."

We have crossed over gracefully from imperialist hegemon to rogue state.

[sammythecat]

18. I hate the fact that this is called a "war".

It was a flat-out invasion, period. And now it's an occupation. We never hear it called what it is.

Another thing. Nobody was "misled". We were LIED to. "Invasion", "occupation", and "lie" are three words the MSM is loathe to say, and we all know the reason for that. They are just as culpable for the invasion, occupation, and lies as anyone in the administration.

[pitohui]

19. an invasion is a type of war, nothing wrong with the good english word "war"

we invaded, we occupy, we are at war, all of these statements can be and do happen to be true


i would think all war other than civil wars involves someone invading somebody

[sammythecat]

24. Well, yes, you are right.

But, speaking for myself, if I say there was a fight between two people, I'm thinking of two people in a heated argument, one pushes the other, the other pushes back, a punch is thrown, and a fight ensues. When my mother was 79 she had her shoulder broken when she was in a "conflict" with some guy stealing her purse. I'd call that an attack (invasion) rather than a fight (war).

I can't argue the point really. You are right. But I think referring to what's happening in Iraq as a war gives it a dignity that's not deserved. Like if a strong man beats the hell out of a woman, I don't think he deserves the dignity of having the incident referred to as a fight. It's an assault.

I liken our initial action in Iraq to be like that of a street bully. We walk up to a smaller kid sitting on our steps and not only demand that he leave, but humiliate him in the process. When he balks at our belligerence we say something insulting about his mother, he then does what we've been hoping he'd do all along and says "fuck you". Great, now we proceed to beat the living hell out of the guy and get to take his lunch money whenever we want. BTW, when I use the word "we" I mean the current administration, not really "us".

I don't know if I'm being very clear here, but for an example, I think there is a huge difference between the "war" we fought with Germany and the "war" we're fighting in Iraq. We eventually invaded Germany but I really don't think there was any other option. However, "we" were just dying to invade Iraq. We could hardly wait till Saddam cursed at us and then we hit him with we all we had.

Something else bothers me with calling this a war is that Lincoln was a "war president" (an odd term I think), and Roosevelt was a war president, and this total prick that we have in the White House likes to refer to himself as a "war president" as often as he possibly can. He really seems to get off on that. If he could get away with it, he'd walk around wearing an armored breastplate. He is not a "war president". He is a president that took his country to war by an act of aggression. He invaded another country that had done nothing to us, certainly nothing to warrant what has since transpired.

So, as often as I can without being clumsy about it, I like to refer what's happening in Iraq as "our invasion of Iraq" rather than "our war with Iraq". Hell, there really doesn't seem to be any kind of sovereign nation to fight there any way. It's more like heavy duty police action against a bunch of armed gangs.

Technically and practically we invaded Iraq, but you will never, ever, hear anyone in this administration say that word. That's just one more reason I like to refer to it as an invasion. Whatever they call it, I want to call it something different because it always is. They lie, all the time, about everything. If they say something is blue, I put my money on the color being almost anything other than blue.

When Bush uses the word war he wants us to imagine a reluctant hero that had no choice but to resort to violence in order to save the day. What happened in Iraq was nothing like that. He calls it a war and I want to be contrary and call it something else and "invasion" sounds to me a more accurate description.

Again, I'm not really arguing with you. You're totally correct in what you said. This "war" or "invasion" thing is just a semantic burr in my shorts that bugs me. I don't think George Bush has ever done a dignified thing in his entire life, and I feel calling this a war seems, to me, to give him a dignity he doesn't deserve.

[guyanakoolaid]

20. Funny thing... I thought only Congress had the power to declare war. Silly me.

Choke on your own lies and hate. Please.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

21. Check it out

The War Powers Resolution of 1973. Even Nixon vetoed it, but Congress overrode him.

It's bullshit. And so Fuckface and his Oval Office Cabal have used it like a cheap trick.

[guyanakoolaid]

22. Sorry, I'm still going by Constitutional law.

Silly me. I know, get with the new Bush rule book. I wipe my ass with his rule book, and any law which flies in the face of the plain language of the Constitution.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

23. Traitor!!!!!

Commie pinko fascist. Why do you hate America??? You hate us for our freedoms and our big box stores, don't you?

Why don't you just go back to where you came from????

(Is this where I'm supposed to put a "sarcasm" emoticon?)

[guyanakoolaid]

25. "Why don't you just go back to where you came from????"

I was in the UK for a bit, I could work while my wife went to school. Wouldn't be possible now. Sometimes when I see threads on DU about Wright I wish I could just go back. But in all honesty, racism is just as bad a problem there as it is here. That's why Blair and Bush got along so well, they both HATED the brown people they were blowing up.

[Popol Vuh]

26. Marbury vs Madison

Doesn't Marbury V Madison declare any legislation contrary to the Constitution as null and void due to the Constitution being the supreme law?

Anyway, I feel the same way as you do and I wish someone would hold Fuckface accountable for his unlawful actions.

[DavidDvorkin]

27. Poof. Marbury v. Madison is part of the pre-911 mindset.

Everything has changed.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

29. As with that antiquated concept,

habeas corpus.

What I don't understand is why there's no outrage out there as Fuckface and his Cabal stomp us deeper and deeper into the ground.

[DavidDvorkin]

30. Historical ignorance?

And ignorance about our system of government?

Apathy? Fear?

Whatever the reason, I wish the people would experience some righteous (and well informed) anger.

[crimsonblue]

31. You forgot the qualifier...

it's legal if king george says it is.

[riverdeep]

28. The joke is he claims to be an Independent.

Why doesn't someone go on his show and call him on that nonsense. He's an Independent that never criticizes the Republicans and calls anyone left of center a 'left-wing loon' and just happens to catapult the administration's propaganda. Right. Just admit it Bill- you're a hack and a shill.