Kick if you want to kick' em: M$ (Internet Explorer) behavior

[BelgianMadCow]

Internet Explorer:
a) logs files you accessed on "My Computer" - just check the history
b) it does so even if it is not your default browser!
c) it does so even when you don't use it at all to surf or view files

Bugs ya? Tough luck, Internet Explorer is an "integral part" :puke: of Windows since XP - uninstalling it is:
a) nearly impossible to do (I un-ticked it during XP installation, but hey hey it's there nonetheless :mad:)
b) dangerous: M$ makes IE the only browser allowed to download critical updates - if you use another, you have to wade through the pardon my French shit to choose your updates...they should be sued to kingdom come for this alone.
:banghead:

Soooo a program that I can't choose to have or not (see also http://forums.cnet.com/5208-6142_102-0.html?forumID=5&threadID=31055&messageID=353751 ) logs me? :wtf: Helloooo privacy? Okay I know privacy is an illusion anyway but this is so blatant...

This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine, I just wanted to vent and warn other users (which is also why I posted in my fav GD, not a topic forum).

Revenge!
I have Firefox from www.mozilla.org as default browser (and thunderbird as mail client).
I will disable internet connection of IE through my firewall and open it up only for critical updates.
I started using OpenOffice from www.openoffice.org (free), M$ can suck it with their idiotic Office 2007 update.
I have a dual boot with Linux and will be using that for more and more tasks.
DON'T go Vista! My wife has it on her laptop - gonna throw Vista off and use XP instead!! You can ask for XP upon delivery of a new PC as well.
I'm a gamer, so for the time being I'm stuck with M$ for that alone...note also the COUP they tried to pull with DirectX 10-only games and Vista :mad:

Can you tell I'm pissed? :rant:

Kick if you wanna kick'em pls


regards
bmc

PS: no offense to people working for M$ - they do own 90+ % of the home PC OS market...:nuke: :wtf:

[Selatius]

1. XP service pack 2 is faster than Vista anyway. I'm still using Win2k SP4 on this laptop. nt

[BelgianMadCow]

3. We are sold new "needs" but 0.X % needs them...ah, and on Vista man oh man...

I read a whole PC mag dedicated to speeding up your PC - guess what, one of the first things to disable was "indexing services". Well color me not surprised: Vista will have operational issues if you do so, unlike XP...:mad:

They "simplify" things but you have no idea anymore of what happens on your PC.

Thanks for the rec!
:hi:
bmc

[BlooInBloo]

2. IE? Vista? That's just crazytalk.

[BelgianMadCow]

7. Succinct :-)

:crazy: I got sucked in I guess ;-)

[BlooInBloo]

8. Don't get me wrong - I don't buy into that Mac stuff - that's for babies.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. It is? Hmmm

you know these days running the vista machine is far more painful than Linux... and lord knows linux can be a pain at times

By the way, you DO KNOW that the MAC OS is based on a pretty mature UNIX kernel, don't you? Not quite baby stuff

[BelgianMadCow]

12. :sarcasm: methinks ;-)

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Not really, some folks are pretty hard core

about their allegiance to an OS.. regardless of which one

You find that with Maccies (lord do you ever), Linux fans (I think Debian in particular but any distro will have them), and also Windows... and ever since Vista came out (with all its problems) it has become quite obvious... hell I once came across a user of an early Amiga... and would have nothing else, period (Oh and for the kiddies if memory serves a really early version of unix)

[BelgianMadCow]

20. Oh my Amiga the memories...

been hooked since the Commodore C64...now see what FUN gaming that brought you for relative peanuts and with 64 Kb RAM!!!!!
Boggles the mind.
hate to have sold it :-(

[nadinbrzezinski]

22. My first computer ran DOS, and had 512K RAM and no internal drive

It ran all from disk... hell, it had a 3.5 floppy

OOOHHH

My sis... just donated the thing... ran on a new fangled 5.25 floppy

My lord I was so afraid of that thing... then I started playing with number of pages to open....

The memories... but it wasn't even good for a server.

[BlooInBloo]

16. Nah. His fact (1) wasn't under dispute, and his fact (2) is too recent to be relevant....

... In any case, if you want *nix, there are far better ways to go about obtaining it. If you don't want *nix, then there's no point in pointing it out.

[BelgianMadCow]

18. I have *nix, but do tell

what better way? Curious here...I admit Ubuntu proved a bit challenging to get up and running.

I think Mac is rather expensive, really...yeah, they are better than M$ - not a high bar though :-/
People being sold the NEED for an IPOD costing 200 Euro when we had walkmans for 25 euro back in the 80's...:wtf:

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Excuse me for pointing this out

but DOS broke away from UNIX, not mac... decades ago

The Unix system in a mac has far more in common with historic unix than oh Windows Vista has with 98... let alone 3.1 Though vista is a close cousin of NT which makes me wonder how the hell did they manage to mess that one up?

[BelgianMadCow]

11. Yeah, plus Al Gore is on their board

go figure...

Me, I'm a bit masochistic too. The true nerd likes a bit of a challenge. So I HATE to have failed w/rgds to IE...

[Tesha]

33. I'll try to remember that as I stare mesmerized by the 30" screen on my Mac-for-babies. (NT)

[Occulus]

44. And I run Winxp Pro 64 and Fedora Core 8 on a 50" 1080p DLP screen.

You... can connect your Mac to a non-Apple display device, right?

[Tesha]

46. I have a few more ixels on my screen than you have on yours. ;-)

2560-by-1600 pixel resolution.

http://www.apple.com/displays/



And *OF COURSE* you can connect an Apple to anything
that supports DVI, VGA, or HDMI.

[proud2BlibKansan]

36. You calling me a baby?

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Why do you think I am typing from my Macbook

Yep, VISTA

By the way will be buying a copy of XP for the gaming machine, so we can run some programs that WILL NOT run on Vista

Hell, tempted to get home edidtion for the laptop for... you guessed it, those two programs

[BelgianMadCow]

6. Yeah I may go that route too...

But will someone, pretty please, develop gaming on something else than windows?? And I don't mean console, that's not all I want (plus, they sooo rip you - 70 euro for a new release? Everybody happy??)

Now you have to tell me what those two programs are :P

I'm a WoW-er, online shooter (Q3, BF2, the free (!) www.warsow.net), simmer...oh well, I have too many games and too little time...

:hi:
bmc

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. War of warcraft WILL run on Macs

http://www.apple.com/games/articles/2004/11/worldofwarcraft/

You can also run BF 2 on a MAC

http://www.extremesims.com/index.php?topic=1207.msg10136

And with an INTEL machine, if you absolutely need to run a program that runs only on WINDOWS. you can install windows on a partition of your MAC Intel machine and guess what? RUN windows. You can use bootcamp and will have to boot up every time you change OS, you can try virtualization software (such as VM Ware) and run both OSs side by side

By the way, since you are a gamer I'd look into a "better" machine than my macbook

The MBP has an NVIDIA 8800 on board, for example.

[alfredo]

21. Which is better Parallels or VM Ware?

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Haven't used either

from the reviews I think parallels is faster, but UNTIL I install a second OS on this machine (Home, trust me I need it sadly)

I will not futz... and at that moment I will have to get a virus checker and all that jazz


UGGH...

Why I think I'll just stick to a pure mac for my machine and use the other one, after I split drive and install XP

I expect corep painter to finally behave... and that one has a larger screen

[alfredo]

37. Thanks. It will be a while before I decide on where I want to go from

here. I want to run Linux again, but not sure if I want to dual boot or get a Linux laptop.

[wtmusic]

5. .

http://www.apple.com/getamac/

[BelgianMadCow]

32. :-)

need better excuse first ;-)
and $$ come to speak of it

but...

[Selatius]

13. Am I the only one here who still uses Win2k??? nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

15. Well I guess you are

if it makes you feel good... my brother would still use 98 if he could find a copy somewhere

:-)

And he has a point when it comes to stabilty

[Selatius]

31. Win98 was stable for him? I remember BSoDs when I ran 98. It's why I went Win2k.

WinME was a joke, so let's not talk about that era of experimentation. The only upshot was that I used a burned copy, so I didn't actually lose money on it. :)

I fucking hate the new docx format. Totally unnecessary. If I'm working with the new version of Office, I always save to the earlier format for backward compatibility with my older version of Office (2002).

[BelgianMadCow]

17. Nah - I have an old el cheapo PC destined for my 5 year old - Win 95

and it's gonna keep runnin' 95 - couldn't destabilise it even if I tried (and I can mess up PCs pretty well).

I would really recommend people to get a PC FOR THEIR NEEDS and no more (meaning, they sell you overspecced systems all the time...)
getting it up to speed with the proper software and accessories and then...tzadzaam....stick with it!

Then they try and get to you via compatibility issues such as the new "docx" bleh...but openoffice can import/export M$ so in this opensourced world (still...) they will not beat us...

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Sure they are trying

open office was the world format, until MS pressured to get docx as the standard

I expect the next version of OO to be compliant with... you guessed it, word

And yes, I am running a maccie version on the Macbook (neo office no X-10 thankee)

As to buying what you need... agreed... some of just need very high end graphics for some uses (what the win machine was supposed to do)

;-(

At least it works for my husband's gaming... but until we get an XP partition on that sucker I ain't working on it

Corel Painter just does not behave well, that said it does on the macbook

[BelgianMadCow]

24. yeah I hate needing high end graphics too

;-( hihi

My GeForce 6600 GT 128 Mb is rather "old" - but they charge you half a PCs price for good graphics cards nowadays...that ain't normal either...
And yeah I'd love a gaming notebook, but they're hard to come by and expensive when you do...

I'm pretty sure, the whole streaming/digital (HD)TV - HDMI (which is a Digital Rights management system FIRST) is so gonna screw us - pricewise. Here, they threw NGC and BBC and Eurosport off the regular cable, now you can get it as a pack...:banghead:...
Surprise surprise that happened since the cable network was privatised...(pinko commie alert).

edit PS: my wife games along - we fought over the Sims back in the day and now we WoW...in the wintertime lol. Ankhira and Ankhero :P

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Not surprised and the Geo force 8800 WAS a large component

of the Win machine... so I understand (though we buy machines that will serve us for seven to eight years. We finally replaced the XP machine when it finally stopped doing what the gamer in the house needed. I just happen to get a side benefit for it)

As to high def... I am extremely suspicious of it

[BelgianMadCow]

27. If a game needs the ultra high def to be worthwile - oh and on HDTV:!!

the gameplay must suck - WoW runs pretty OK on my wife's basic laptop...not to say high def can't be awesome, but me too I play till I have a framerate of 10 using the lowest settings - for the latest generation... and then I will reconsider...

Should you be able to keep this thread up a bit...I have a habit of posting in the wee hours (as do you I noticed before) and gonna feed a newborn and get the oldest to school :D

:hi:
bmc

PS: oh sorry if you were talking HDTV:

People you CANNOT see the difference (okay, on the price tag you can) between HD and HD ready at a distance of 3.5 meters or higher!! (for a typical 42 inch setup, changes a bit)
People here ALL need their big LCD, the things I hear 'em being told in electro stores... :crazy:

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Have fun, and I am considering hitting the rack... need to be up early

tomorrow morning to go get groceries

[BelgianMadCow]

29. Night!

be seeing you around :-)

[nadinbrzezinski]

30. That you will

As soon as throwdown is over... I am gone to bed

[Tesha]

34. Nope; Win2K still runs on two of our test systems.

We have given up on testing on Win98, though, although we've
been considering rolling one of the Win2K machines back to
that older software.

Tesha

[Mabus]

42. My husband's machine is still running 98SE

He hates change.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. ...

[DS1]

38. Mine doesn't

:shrug:

[BelgianMadCow]

40. what exactly? log files in the history?

what OS and IE version do you have if I may ask? Curious now (no, make that always ;-))..

[DS1]

41. IE8 beta on Vista Ulitimate

I looked through, and there's only entries from when I used it. It didn't log any firefox activity.

[Greyhound]

39. Win2KPro on this box. Dual-boot XP on the Ms. notebook, and LINUX

every where else. I play games and she uses Quickbooks Pro, otherwise we would be entirely M$ free.
:kick:

[crimsonblue]

43. ahh silly pc...

get a mac. :P

[starroute]

45. There are two programs to help tame Windows XP

SafeXP and xp-AntiSpy both make it easy to clean up the biggest security problems with Windows XP. I generally use them both after any re-installation, since they have somewhat different lists.

I don't know if they deal with the problem you cite of IE logging files -- though you can set the IE cache to be cleared automatically on shutdown, and perhaps that will do it. But I still recommend them strongly.

(You have to be careful, though. I turned off, I think it was, Task Scheduler, and didn't realize I wasn't getting Restore points created automatically at each reboot until I ran into problems and had to go back two weeks and lost some changes.)

http://www.theorica.net/safexp.htm

http://xp-antispy.org/index.php?lang=en