need your help...need real life definitions on an 8th grade level for

[greenbriar]

This is during the Civil War




confederate





Union



these need to be from your head and not some dictionary term. I am trying to get a variable of definitions to see what the kids might come up with

Thanks

[msongs]

1. confederate = group of states who quit, union = states who stayed together nt

[greenbriar]

4. close but not really accurate for my needs

but along the lines I will be looking for

[Sequoia]

2. Okay...

Confederate: confection, as in a sweet

That flag

Union: Marriage or an organization like The Teamsters

[Avalux]

3. Here goes:

Union = states who remained loyal to the laws of the united states at the time

Confederate = states opposed the laws of the united states at the time and decided to form their own country

[greenbriar]

5. Oh I LIKE THAT

good job

[Avalux]

12. Thanks...

FYI (not that you care, but I'm proud of it)

My family's home, the Trostle Farm, was at the center of a major Gettysburg battle. It's a historical site now:

http://www.nps.gov/archive/gett/getttour/tstops/tstd2-14.htm


:hi:

[greenbriar]

13. thats awesome

I would love to take a field trip

[angstlessk]

6. confederate is like callling the Democratic party the Democrat party

it was the Confederacy vs the Union a confederate is a person who fought for the Confederacy?? just sayin?

[greenbriar]

7. The confederate states of America is their official name

so in context...

[angstlessk]

14. but the OTHER word is simply Union...so in comparison you should

call it confederacy since that is comparable to the word Union...I am not a 'confederate'..just think the word confederacy would extract the kind of thinking you might expect???

Confederacy






Union




That is equal


confederate




Union


unequal

[wryter2000]

8. My attempt

The confederate states are what we call the states that wanted to become a separate country. The union is what we call the states that wanted the country to stay together.

[greenbriar]

9. Also good

I would be thrilled if my students came up with that



thanks...keep em coming

[Old Codger]

10. maybe

This is during the Civil War




confederate: The confederate states attempted to secede from the union over the emancipation proclamation





Union: The union was comprised of the states that remained as the United States of America

[greenbriar]

11. close

they did secede right after Lincoln was elected. and the Emancipation proclamation was later after the secession


I like the Union side tho

[angstlessk]

15. the emancipation proclamation did not CAUSE the civil war..written during it.

n/t

[greenbriar]

16. exactly

more of an attempt to really goad the south

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

19. Also a successful attempt to keep Europe from entering the war

on the side of the South.

Let's see---by the time I was in eighth grade, I also knew the tune and lyrics to several songs from the War, including the one about the old soldier who had a wooden leg. My mother's neighbor was a Civil War veteran who lost his leg after a battle during the War. My great-great grandfathers and their brothers and brothers in law who fought were honored by my family, and what I remember most was the family stories of the aftermath of the war--how some turned to alcoholism, others returned broken in health, and others showed behaviors we would now classify as PTSD. When I was 13, I had a great-great-great uncle still alive whose father was in the cavalry--and I heard the stories about his suffering and how the family's fortune disappeared while he was gone. I hope that other families have preserved the memories as my family has.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

17. OK

Confederate--rebels from the South led by Robert E. Lee

also:

Confederate--Southern people trying to start their own country where they could keep slaves and their rural way of life

still another:

Confederate--Mostly Southern Americans who fought for the South rather than a lot of immigrants. However, there were some from foreign countries --and also the Native Americans of Oklahoma, who fought because they had been promised their own country if the South won.


Union--Yankees who fought for Abraham Lincoln to keep our nation one nation. (A good book to find to read is "All For the Union", a diary from a Union soldier who explained that it was, indeed, this concept of Union that caused him and his fellows to volunteer.)

also:

Union--Northern people who wanted to keep the country together and protect the right to have new lands opened up that were free lands rather than slave lands. (If you're from around Kansas, this definition WILL come up and be paramount; I think they are still fighting the War along the border of KS and MO.)

still another:

Union-Though the Union Army was made up mostly of Northern Americans, there were sizable numbers of Irish and Germans who fought-enough that whole companies, regiments, and brigades were made up of people from these nations. The most famous is the "Irish Brigade" of New York, but rest assured that the German companies were also very helpful, especially in the West. It is said that it was the Germans in Missouri who kept the state in the Union, and it was the German Guides who were first to enter Little Rock when to came back into Union hands. (Yeah, well most 8th graders might not know this, but when your ancestors fought in the German Guides, this point was brought home at a very early age.)

[greenbriar]

18. very nice

great list

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

20. True confession

I "wrote" my first history of the Civil War when I was five years old. It was in pictures, but it showed the Boys in Blue fighting the Boys in Grey, plus a picture of Abraham Lincoln setting the slaves free. I was born late in a family of long lived people, and I heard Civil War stories from the children of veterans since I was able to remember. And I, of course, saw the films of the suffering of the Southerners during the War,which was interesting, as the families of the North also suffered and lost lives and fortunes, as my own family history told me.

A suggestion: are there any Civil War re-enactors around? If so, they will be a gold mine for the kids to "interview", as they usually have studied the period for a long time and can get into character as a person who actually was involved in the War. When I taught 4th grade, I found that several of my students had ancestors who fought in a local regiment that had been re-activated. I got to take the kids to meet the regiment, and the re-enactors were very touched that the descendants of some of the original men of the company had come to meet them. I daresay that some of my students probably joined the regiment when they grew up.

[greenbriar]

21. I would love to do that, but unfortunately, we have next week and that is it

but maybe next year that would be a great project

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

27. Check your local historical society

or library. They would be the ones most likely to know if there are reactivated regiments in your area. Often there will be notices in the paper as well. I believe it is the 35th Illinois Infantry that is reactivated in Southern Illinois. I also know that the First Missouri Artillery is reactivated. I met the members of this group while visiting a reenactment at Makanda IL twenty odd years ago. I'd just discovered that a great great great uncle had been transferred to that unit from an Illinois infantry regiment, and told them so. You'd have thought I was a long lost comrade! They were very interested in the information in the pension papers, and were delighted to share everything they knew about the unit with me, including the types of cannon used, the uniform, etc.

[bbinacan]

23. You might appreciate this.

I'm 44 and have a great grandfather that fought in the Civil War. Or as my grandmother, his daughter, used to say the "War of Northern Aggression". My great grandfather was born in 1862 and my grandmother was born in 1903. My mother was born in 1943 and I in 1964.

He was captured at Gettysburg and was held prisoner in NY until the end of the war.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

26. A toast to you, sir

in honor of your grandfather. I had a great great great uncle who was also a prisoner of war. He was sent to Georgia, where he was beaten and suffered a concussion, and then on to Andersonville. I believe he was so ill treated because he was a German immigrant. I have full details in his pension application papers. Perchance did your ancestor leave a record? I know that Confederate soldiers were awarded pensions after 1908. It would be interesting to compare treatment. From what I have read, I understand that conditions in all prisons were far from favorable.

[ColbertWatcher]

22. Confederate=The South; Union=the united nation. n/t

[bbinacan]

24. Sorry, I just can't help myself

Confederacy = Fighting the war for Southern Independence

Union = Illegally invading and occupying a sovereign nation

Something my grandmother used to say.:evilgrin:

[greenbriar]

25. guess it depends on which side you are on

hehe

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

28. Harry Truman's mother refused to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom, you know

because she was still "fighting the war". What's funny is that the South (actually, South Carolina) actually started the war by firing on Ft. Sumter. And the first "invasions" were into Missouri, which never seceded, thanks to the German population around St. Louis, by and large. Unbeknownst to many, there were secessionist cells in Southern Illinois and Indiana throughout the war, and they tended to stir up trouble when they could. And kindly remember that the citizens of eastern Tennessee remained loyal to the Union-in a history of Sevier County I read long ago, the citizens declared that they refused to secede from the Union, and considered themselves a part of the United States throughout the war. Much like portions of northwest Arkansas, where their delegate voted against secession as well, and where brothers fought brothers.