Siegelman On Rove: Probably The Most Devious, Evil Political Operative In History

[L. Coyote]

Siegelman On Rove: Probably The Most Devious, Evil Political Operative In History
Sam Stein - The Huffington Post May 27, 2008 - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/27/siegelman-on-rove-probabl_n_103682.html


.... "Karl Rove saying he's had nothing to do with firing U.S. Attorneys and nothing to do with my case is like President Bush saying he's had nothing to do with the war in Iraq because he hasn't pulled a trigger," said Siegelman.

The comments came just one day after Rove said his involvement in le affaire Siegelman consisted of learning about the investigations in a newspaper article. The former governor, who was sentenced to more than seven years in prison in 2006, wasn't exactly sold on the line.

"I think Rove is probably the most devious and evil political operative who has been trained to come on to the political scene in certainly the last fifty years," he said. "I can't think of anybody in the annals of history who could even rival this man's pernicious thoughts. It is a lifetime's work for him... I think he learned two things from Watergate: you don't need to establish a secret plumbers union at a mid level office in the White House when you can take over Department of Justice and have them do your dirty work for you, and secondly, you don't leave tapes behind, you destroy evidence."

Last week, the political world moved closer to unraveling the political malfeasance ................

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My transcript: ABC This Week w/ Karl ROVE on ... Siegelman
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x137934

George: "... You did not contact the Justice Department about this case?

Karl: "I, I, I read about, a, I'm gonna simply say what I've said before, which is, I found out about Don Siegelman's investigation and indictment by reading about it in the newspaper."

George: "But that is not a denial."

Karl: "Ah, a, I've I've, I've, a, ah, you know I read about a, I heard about it, read about it, learned about it for the first time by reading about it in the newspaper."

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Reflections on analysis:

There is no actual denial in all that.

FIRST QUOTE: Karl DOES NOT use the word "first" to describe how he learned about it. He just asserts that he can read and has read. We knew that.

SECOND QUOTE: A very clever parsing takes place. "YOU KNOW" is the clever qualifier. "...you know I ... learned about it for the first time..."

That is still not a denial. That, taken literally, was just Karl stating what he assumes George knows. Karl DOES NOT deny he was involved in the crime.

And what is with the stammering? Cleverly covering up the parsing, or a nervous liar at work.
Either way, if this was a child in the schoolyard denying something, the poor kid would be soooooOO OOOO BUSTED!!!!

[Frustratedlady]

1. I never thought it would be a Siegelman-type case that would bring him to his knees...

but I hope he ends up pleading for mercy. I can't remember a more despicable person (although I'm sure there were many...Cheney/Bush come to mind) who manipulated so many damaging tricks to stay just above the law as Rove.

If you can manage, try to remember what this country was like before Bush. It seems so far away and so out of reach. I just hope we can put the country back to the way it was and give the Siegelmans of these past 8 years a reprieve from the misery they have experienced.

It is time to make these fools pay for the folly they have subjected us AND the world to. Imagine the cheers that will erupt when this cabal is out of office and into The Hague.

[L. Coyote]

5. What did you expect? A dirty trick against a college Young Dem president?

I use that example because it has personal meaning.
This stuff has been going on very broadly since the 60s!

However, politically hijacking the DoJ and jailing a Dem governor is way, way up there, in the treason zone!!

I remember what this country was like before they started shooting Kennedys!
Perhaps now people will see the politics in those acts too, thanks to guys like Rove.

[lonestarnot]

2. Evil dough pile.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

3. K&R!!

[Octafish]

4. What's that say about the brain's owner?

Crazy WarMonkey.

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. So, once this chapter is over, what do we do about insuring that the

the justice department, and other criminal justice entities all the way down to the local State Attorney's office('cuz, you know they've got to be compromised too)never again get politicized again?

This problem, I'm sure, started because Alabama's political environment just went wild when one of them reached a position of power at the federal level. How about the rest of us poor sods who are still being hamstrung by State Attorney's who cry in election years because they can't do anything about it?

[DCKit]

7. I can only hope Dumbya still believes "The Hague" is an amusement park...

somewhere in the "Nether-regions". It'd break his little heart to know what we're really talking about.

[windoe]

8. Rove will definitely go down in history

maybe he'll get a new specie of worm named after him.

[bemildred]

9. No offense, but that's a very competitive field. nt