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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:20 AM
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Bugliosi Would Seek Death Penalty for Bush
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Bugliosi Would Seek Death Penalty for Bush
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/31/9328/

If Vincent Bugliosi were prosecuting George W. Bush for the murder of the more than 4,000 American soldiers who have died in Iraq, he would seek the death penalty.”If I were the prosecutor, there is no question I would seek the death penalty,” Bugliosi told Corporate Crime Reporter in a wide-ranging interview.

Bugliosi is the author of the just published book The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder (Vanguard Press, 2008).

“I’m urging here that an American jury try George Bush for first degree murder. I want to see him on trial for murder before an American jury. And if they convict him, it will be up to the jury to decide what his punishment is. One of the options would be the imposition of the death penalty. If I were prosecuting him, absolutely I would seek the death penalty. As Governor of Texas, George Bush signed death warrants - 152 out of 152 - most of them for people who only committed one murder.”

Bugliosi said he is sending a copy of his book to all fifty state Attorneys General, offering his assistance in prosecuting Bush for homicide.

“I’m herein enclosing a copy of my book The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder,” Bugliosi writes in the letter to the Attorneys General. “I hope you will find the time to read it and that you will agree with its essential conclusion - that George W. Bush is guilty of murder for the deaths of over 4,000 American soldiers who have died fighting his war in Iraq.”

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Bugliosi says that even if the prosecution of Bush doesn’t come about for a number of years, he wants to plant in the President’s mind the idea that such a prosecution is possible.=

“The least I can do is put that thought in his mind until he goes to his grave,” Bugliosi said. “That’s the least I can do for the thousands of American soldiers who came back in an aluminum box or came back as a jar of ashes. And the parents are told - don’t open the box, it is unviewable
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:22 AM
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1. As much as I feel for the soldiers
it's the Iraqi civilians I'd like to see GW and gang tried for.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:26 AM
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5. They got Capone on tax Evaision -
I don't care why they get him - as long as they get him

Our Nation's Self-Respect Demands Impeachment
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/06/01/9347/

"The American people have a choice ahead of them. They can continue to be shamed as a nation of torturers, or they can put a stop to this administration’s ongoing crimes against humanity."

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:26 AM
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6. If the Iraqis ever get a government of their choosing rather
than one we impose on them, they could petition the World Court at the Hague to try both him and Cheney for war crimes.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:31 AM
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7. Don't forget Rummy
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:33 AM
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9. Yes, Rummy too and a few others like Condi as well. n/t
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:54 AM
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13. So THAT'S why we have to stay there for 100 years.
I thought that was a long time to steal oil.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:22 AM
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2. I oppose the death penalty.

But we could talk about it.

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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:23 AM
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3. Bush does - It would be poetic - No?
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 11:24 AM by Phred42
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:53 PM
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21. Gitmo, lights on and the Barney song 24/7.
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 12:18 PM
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30. That would be cruel and unusual.
I'd love to see it happen to him.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:24 AM
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4. The Hague is too good for George W. Bush
We need to show the world that we're capable of cleaning up our own shit. And if Bugliosi is on the job, more power to him.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:50 AM
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12. If he couldn't buy his way out
he could buy an army to bust him out.

No prison for chimpy, it's too risky.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:02 PM
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16. Bugliosi as Attorney General? Hmm.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:31 AM
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8. Plant the idea in his mind?
better hurry - that is a rapidly deteriorating target. A couple years, and he won't be competent to stand trial...
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:33 AM
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10. Sorry - Turns out thisis a Dupe
Edited on Sun Jun-01-08 11:33 AM by Phred42
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 11:39 AM
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11. No such thing as a dupe in GD
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:16 PM
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15. Because GD never ever has 82 posts on the same subject. LOL
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Riddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 12:06 PM
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14. Come on, Vince! That's a little over the top, isn't it?
After all, chimpy did NOT have oral sex with an intern, so where's the crime?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:33 AM
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29. I finally realized why republicans were so incensed about Lewinsky:
1. She was old enough to consent.

2. She was of the opposite sex.

If it's not the kind of sex that happens in a frat initiation, or a bus station bathroom, they don't like it.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:20 PM
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17. Nope! I want to see Bush & brethren sentenced to lifetimes of community service--
and cleaning bedpans in veterans' hospitals if my favorite punishment for them. That's a far sweeter restitution. And it gives them a chance to save their souls. Electrocuted or lethally injected (or, in the case of Saddam, hanged) dead criminals teach people nothing--except "might makes right" and killing solves your problems (it never does). People need examples of REAL problem-solving and redemptive punishment. What better example than the former President of the United States (with electronic anklets on, of course, and constant surveillance) serving the people he so gravely and unjustly put in harm's way.

And then there are the hospitals in Iraq...and the kids, oh my...although we probably could not guarantee the safety of our community service examples in Iraq. Maybe bring the wounded here, all of them.

I would also like us get some of our money back--and that would be a wonderful task to give to our national and worldwide spy/black ops network. Purge the most guilty of the "renderers" and torturers, and let the rest of them use their (lawful) skills--tracking the Bush Cartel/Al Qaeda money trail, and other diabolical mysteries, and picking up billions of missing U.S. taxpayer dollars in various banks and other hiding places along the way. They could also build cases against the war profiteer corporations, so we can bust them up, pull their corporate charters and seize their assets for the common good. (Notice that Halliburton moved its headquarters to the UAE--they are surely worried about just this sort of thing.)

And, of course, there are the personal fortunes of our convicted community service providers. They have promoted seizing the assets of pot growers, even before they are convicted of anything. If a pot grower uses his/her house for growing the herb, or garage, or car, or bank account, the Feds seize their property, and can do so on mere accusation, not conviction. So-o-o-o, we, the people, can also presume that Bush's Texas ranch, or Cheney's big "golden parachute" from Halliburton, and all the other assets of all the war criminals in this regime, have been used in the planning and commission of really big crimes--mass murder, torture, mind-boggling theft--and seize them all. That should amount to a tidy sum of restitution all by itself. Maybe pay off a tenth of the national debt.

Bugliosi has the right idea, as to the absolute necessity of investigation, trial and conviction of the members of this Junta--both for justice's sake, and so that it NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. But he is not creative enough as to punishment. The death penalty is just a repeat of Bushite fascism. It is cruel, vengeful and ultimately pointless--and bad for society. But it would NOT be pointless to put them to work in a vets' hospital, as an example to all (but especially to future presidents), and it would be quite useful to retrieve some of their ill-gotten gains for good purposes (like transporting a million Iraqi patients to U.S. hospitals).

This is the thing about Bushites. They are so dull, stupid and murderous. Let's show them what the Enlightenment was all about, and what progressive government, following upon the Enlightenment, should become. It spares lives. It saves lives. It redeems the apparently irredeemable. It promotes the best in people, not the worst.

Unfortunately, I do believe that our Democrats made a bargain with this extremely dangerous Junta--no impeachment if they will exit peacefully. That's my best guess about impeachment being put "off the table." (Maybe Iran was involved, too--no nuking of Iran.) Neither Obama, nor anyone elected by Diebold & co., will want to--or even could--break that bargain. We may see some investigations. We already have. But we will never see prosecution and conviction of the main perps. For one thing, too many top Democrats were collusive in the Junta's war crimes. And for another, the Bushites have blackmail material and other weapons over most of them. And for a third, the bargain itself--if that's what happened--is not a bad one, if it was the price of preventing an all-out nazi state. We may never know, but one thing is quite clear: our political establishment is not going to pursue them. So, if they are to be pursued, it will have to be a citizen tribunal, with no power to punish, or the Hague (and the Bushites will always have countries they can take their billions to, for safe harbor). We may see some lesser perps go down; we will never see Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld & co. in shackles, serving wounded veterans. Alas.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:45 PM
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19. I'd like to see life sentences being passed aroung the General population
Life in Federal Prison as the general Population Bitches
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:04 PM
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22. Please don't promote prison rape as a punishment!
Prisons, in a progressive, democratic country, should be safe and rehabilitative, not snakepits of crime, torture and suffering.

And I don't care WHO the prisoners are. Are we an enlightened society, or are we going to follow the dark Bushite path back to the Middle Ages?

Do not condone prison rape--for anybody! And do not treat the prevalence of this and other crimes against prisoners as acceptable or unavoidable. These crimes are NOT acceptable, and they ARE avoidable.

Our Constitution BANS "cruel and unusual punishment." Period. End of story. Everything that is cruel or torturous must be stopped. They violate the law of this land.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:37 PM
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25. Agree - BUT! The Poetic Justice would be to thow them into what they have created
And clean it up as we can.....

Maybe THEIR jails last

:evilgrin:
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 02:50 PM
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20. Don't forget liquidating all their assets to pay for the debt they created
I think that would hurt them worse than the death penalty. The DP would just make them martyrs to wingnuts. Hit em in the wallet. Make Dick live on $400 a month social security and have to supplement his income as a Walmart greeter.
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Phred42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 05:35 PM
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24. Now you're on the right track - Confiscate everything they made on teh war - Before During and After
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 01:38 PM
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18. Bugliosi and an eye for an eye
Hate has never solved any problem that logic could not have prevented.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-01-08 03:59 PM
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23. Before anything else all their illegal profits
should be taken from them, like the Nazi stolen money, I am sure we can get international help. This is most important, because as long as these people have the billions or more dollars stashed away, they can rise up in the future. Let them live the remainder of their days poor.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:22 AM
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26. I hope he (or someone else) sends a copy to Poppy Bush
And while I may think about the death penalty, I'd MUCH prefer to see ALL the assets of the Bush family, as well as all the assets of Rove, Rummy, Condi etc., confiscated and put into the government, to start paying down the debt we're in because of this war.

I very much want to see these people tried, and when convicted put into a REAL prison, and not some Club Fed prison. We've allowed these basically *public employees* to elevate themselves to a virtual *untouchable* class - and that in itself must STOP. We need to stop worshiping people who got into politics for the glory and the bling it provides. THEY need a reality check - each and every one of them. And it needs to be a PUBLIC reality check - so that others who see a future in politics as a fast track to wealth will change their minds - and their careers.

The Bush crime family was boosted many years ago when we DIDN'T try Prescott Bush for war crimes. I have NO pity for ANY of them. They should be stripped of everything, and if not imprisoned, they should be forced to leave the country, or work at menial jobs, with only a social security pension, like most elderly folks in this country. And they should have to face poverty as everyone else does.

NO MERCY for war criminals. NONE.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:30 AM
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27. start your stopwatches: how long till a heart attack, car accident, plane crash, or double shotgun
blast suicide for Bugliosi?

This cuts too close to the truth for the Bushies to tolerate.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 03:31 AM
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28. I gotta buy this book now.
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