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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:27 PM Original message |
Are there many real left lefties on DU? Just curious as to what you'd say would be the most critical |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Perhaps you should give us YOUR definition of "real left lefties" |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Well, I'm thinking union organizers, Emma Goldman types, and so on. |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
67. Back in the old days, |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
68. What's Left? |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #68 |
89. right stresses security and authority more than freedom nowadays |
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shraby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
2. Winning the election in November. You can't |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. Don't know how left I am, but I agree. The election's the thing |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. The term "leftie" is used as a perjorative by the RW fascists. |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. No, sorry, I grew up with lefties. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:36 PM Response to Reply #7 |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Because I'm asking DU - |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Sorry your experiences are so limited. What is it you don't believe exactly? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. That's absurd. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. I agree; this is absurd. |
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CJCRANE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 06:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
79. It's just the standard DU "vetting" of newbies. |
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Posteritatis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. If you've only ever heard the term from "RW fascists" your experiences *are* limited. (nt) |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. You're just flat out wrong. |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Hey, thanks. I actually am just trying to see if the "visions" of freedom and equality and |
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wvbygod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 09:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
65. you must be kidding |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:56 PM Response to Reply #21 |
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Forrest Greene (946 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
97. It Somehow Doesn't Pass The Smell Test, Secret Agent X9 |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 02:38 AM Response to Reply #20 |
78. I don't mind being called a lefty...I call myself that. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 10:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
84. I like the term as well |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. Restoring the Constitution |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
5. There are a LOT of "most critical" issues. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Exactly. No way to pick just one. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 02:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
77. I almost never see the environment on those lists |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. as a 'leftist chick' I would say |
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AmandaRuth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. yes , you are correct |
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Individualist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. Agree |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. and that is why the DLC and hillary |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #8 |
85. I call that Fascism... |
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panader0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
10. Ending the war in Iraq. |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
11. If by "real left lefties" you mean liberal progressives |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I don't think I actually do mean liberal progressives but maybe I do - I never quite |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Take the Political Compass test |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. Oh yes, I've seen that - But the Dem candidates aren't in that quadrant - how do we get one that is? |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
51. Not easy. |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. You know the idea that all we need is an informed, an educated, an aware public |
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magellan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. No, a lot of it is down to our media |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 01:52 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I see propaganda gaining a huge foothold in the US with the invention and |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #16 |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
30. No, are you? |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #22 |
46. Because being 'leftist' doesn't mean you are a Marxist. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 08:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #22 |
82. There are OODLES of different kinds of leftists (such as myself) who are not Marxists |
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kdmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Well, I self-identify as both a liberal and a progressive |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
47. Just saw your answer - thanks . |
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AmandaRuth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
12. public funding of elections |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. that and this go hand in hand: |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:36 PM Response to Original message |
14. So do you think some of the old words/rallying cries still apply? Like |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. You'll probably find that most DUers are feminists. But |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
18. Jobs. |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
27. reigning in the oligarchy -- by definition, this would be the "lefty-left" issue. |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
37. Yes. So how do we do that? It seems that this has been a central issue |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 07:31 PM Response to Reply #37 |
102. i studied poly sci theory in college, which kinda helps this discussion... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
31. Many large issues, but the single largest that is the root cause of so many others |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
32. Corporate personhood is at the root of many, if not most, of this country's problems |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I sure agree with this. That was an evil evil day. |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #32 |
90. More like all our countries problems. |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
35. Full public financing of all elections. That has to come first. n/t |
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angrycarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
38. maybe, maybe not |
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lxlxlxl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
39. Got quite a few... |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I like your answers, particularly about building international approaches. |
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
42. I consider myself a 'real left leftie'. And by American standards, I think I'm almost Marx himself! |
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zonmoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #42 |
91. food crisis is merely a symptom of corporate greed and overpopulation |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
43. If my only concern was a sound bite, I'd be one of THEM. Since by my own definition, |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
48. I'm thinking over-population has to be a big one - at least for me. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
50. as one of th few real leftists left on DU - the most critical issue for me is the stranglehold of |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:42 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. So - imagine we have real choices and that (by some insane miracle) we |
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galledgoblin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
55. shifting to a sustainable way of life, economically and environmentally (n/t) |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
56. My most critical issue is to see assholes run out of town on a rail |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
58. i hope i am considered to be a leftie |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. About your last sentence |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. My aunt died this year after being a mess for about 5 - needed lots |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 09:29 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. why would she have to give up her "extras"? |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
61. Going to work now. Thanks alot for your thoughtful answers. Hope to discuss this more another day. |
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fed_up_mother (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 09:31 PM Response to Original message |
64. The war. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
66. Rebuild inroads into key areas... |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
70. I'm a lefty, sometimes called dirty, fucking hippy. I answer to both. |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-01-08 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
71. I consider myself a real left lefty, IE *NOT* a liberal. |
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qijackie (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 02:00 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Yes, El Pinko, you're right. Thank you so much! |
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El Pinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 02:10 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Please note my spelling error in that post. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 07:06 AM Response to Reply #71 |
80. well said. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
72. collaboration |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 02:16 AM Response to Original message |
76. Climate change. None of the other issues matter if the planet can no longer |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #76 |
87. Bingo! Bingo! "None of the other issues matter" if we don't have a planet to live on. |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 07:31 AM Response to Original message |
81. Corporatism/"friendly" fascism, media reform |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
83. The demise of our Democracy and |
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cloudythescribbler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
86. First, to define "Lefty". Then critical issue(s): imperialism, along w/ eco-industrial revolution |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
88. Capitalism |
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xartlu (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #88 |
95. agreed |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. Reform |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
92. I suppose I'm about as far Left as most here. |
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LucyParsons (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
93. Stopping the influence of money in politics |
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xartlu (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
94. Most Important? |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
96. the class war |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
98. Global Warming . . . |
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Fox Mulder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
99. Probably the most crucial issue for me... |
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originalpckelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-02-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
100. Why would anyone fake being a lefty? |
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