"We have a better way. Kill Them." George W. Bush to his Generals

[Ichingcarpenter]

Shocking Bush 'Pep Talk' to His War Cabinet on Iraq: 'We Are Going to Wipe Them out!'

By Tom Engelhardt, Tomdispatch.com. Posted June 1, 2008.

"Kill them." Gen. Ricardo Sanchez's memoirs contain a transcript from a bloodthirsty and over the top private speech by Bush.

>>>snip



Let me briefly set the scene, as Sanchez tells it on pages 349-350 of Wiser in Battle. It's April 6, 2004. L. Paul Bremer III, head of the occupation's Coalition Provisional Authority, as well as the President's colonial viceroy in Baghdad, and Gen. Sanchez were in Iraq in video teleconference with the President, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. (Assumedly, the event was recorded and so revisitable by a note-taking Sanchez.) The first full-scale American offensive against the resistant Sunni city of Fallujah was just being launched, while, in Iraq's Shiite south, the U.S. military was preparing for a campaign against cleric Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army militia.

According to Sanchez, Powell was talking tough that day: "We've got to smash somebody's ass quickly," the general reports him saying. "There has to be a total victory somewhere. We must have a brute demonstration of power." (And indeed, by the end of April, parts of Fallujah would be in ruins, as, by August, would expanses of the oldest parts of the holy Shiite city of Najaf. Sadr himself would, however, escape to fight another day; and, in order to declare Powell's "total victory," the U.S. military would have to return to Fallujah that November, after the U.S. presidential election, and reduce three-quarters of it to virtual rubble.) Bush then turned to the subject of al-Sadr: "At the end of this campaign al-Sadr must be gone," he insisted to his top advisors. "At a minimum, he will be arrested. It is essential he be wiped out."

Not long after that, the President "launched" what an evidently bewildered Sanchez politely describes as "a kind of confused pep talk regarding both Fallujah and our upcoming southern campaign ." Here then is that "pep talk." While you read it, try to imagine anything like it coming out of the mouth of any other American president, or anything not like it coming out of the mouth of any evil enemy leader in the films of the President's -- and my -- childhood:

"'Kick ass!' Bush said, echoing Colin Powell's tough talk. 'If somebody tries to stop the march to democracy, we will seek them out and kill them! We must be tougher than hell! This Vietnam stuff, this is not even close. It is a mind-set. We can't send that message. It's an excuse to prepare us for withdrawal.

"There is a series of moments and this is one of them. Our will is being tested, but we are resolute. We have a better way. Stay strong! Stay the course! Kill them! Be confident! Prevail! We are going to wipe them out! We are not blinking!'"


http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/86890/?page=entire

[Botany]

1. bush is nutz ....

'If somebody tries to stop the march to democracy, we will seek them out and kill them!

BTW if Iraq was a democracy we would be gone .... 80%+ of iraqis want us dead and or gone.

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. A psychopath and a madman runs this government

How soon can he be tried for War Crimes? Not soon enough!

[Jackpine Radical]

38. The psychopath runs it.

The madman fronts for him.

God, how pathetic is that!

[trickyguy]

84. Perhaps you've read a psychoanalytic profile on Bush. Big problems including no ability to reason.

And his alchoholic past is still haunting him.

We're being run into the ground by a bonafied mad man.

[Frisbee]

87. Anything less than...

him some day (hopefully sooner rather than later) swinging from a gallows is justice not served. This is the man who seemingly enjoys sending people to their deaths, be it an American convicted of a crime, or a foreign leader who he decides is worthy. I know it is never going to happen, my money says that NONE of them will ever be held accountable for their war crimes, but I'd love to see him whining as he's lead to the death camber as he so willingly sent so many others, not to mention the young American solders and innocent Iraqis who have died for his lies and ego. Yes, he is a war criminal (as are many others in his administration) on a par with some of the worst of the 20th century. I hope I live long enough to at least see history judge him for what he really is.

[sam sarrha]

109. you forgot the part about the Wet Brain burnt out drug addict privileged prepi AWOL Deserter Psychop

[sam sarrha]

111. did you know about this meeting of the Macho phychopaths.. >>Link>>

Caution:if you happen to scroll down a ways there are graphic photos of torture..

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3943.htm

and on the way back the CIA PICKS UP a load of cocaine for the pResident
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/12/19210/608/933/420107

http://hightimes.com/news/ht_admin/3863

[Jack Rabbit]

10. 'If somebody tries to stop the march to democracy, we will seek them out and kill them!

That sounds like Robespierre during the Reign of Terror.

[Ichingcarpenter]

Karla Faye Tucker

In pondering the relationship between governors and the prisoners over whom they have power of life and death, I find myself remembering the single worst thing I ever heard about President Bush. It was something Bush, then governor of Texas, said to a reporter during his first presidential campaign. The reporter in question was Tucker Carlson—hardly a hostile figure—and Carlson reported it in Talk magazine in 1999. It was about Karla Faye Tucker, a convicted murderer whose execution Bush, as governor, had refused to stay. Here is what Carlson wrote (as quoted in National Review, another source hardly known to be hostile toward Republicans):

In the week before execution, Bush says, Bianca Jagger and a number of other protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Tucker. "Did you meet with any of them?" I ask.

Bush whips around and stares at me. "No, I didn't meet with any of them," he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. "I didn't meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with , though. He asked her real difficult questions, like 'What would you say to Governor Bush?' "

"What was her answer?" I wonder.

"Please," Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "don't kill me."

[saigon68]

26. A Himmler like character who reveled when others he commanded

put people to death.

I have always maintained The Chimp attains arousal through violence.

[Jack Rabbit]

28. I don't think the Frat Boy is arounsed by violence

If he were, he would be personally violent, which he is not.

Neither was Himmler. In one of history's little ironies, Himmler was sickened at the sight of carnage.

Mark Crispen Miller's observation that Bush, who usually mangles the English language, is clear and coherent when speaking about cruelty rings quite true.

[saigon68]

31. Yes I did hear that about Himmler

Apparently the sight of an injured dog was extremely disturbing to the man.

He could however order the most terrible outcomes, such as The action groups in Latvia, Lithuania and Babi Yar

[Ichingcarpenter]

58. I think he enjoyed blowing up frogs as a child

and inflicting pain during his fraternity's pledging in college.

[rebel with a cause]

90. More of a sadist?

Deriving pleasure from the suffering of others or their humiliation.

It is always easier to speak clearly when you are in control, hard when you are the one being watched and scrutinized. Especially if you have a speech problem. MHO

[Marie26]

64. Or this:

George W. Bush, when asked by Bob Woodward "how is history likely to judge your Iraq war?" replied, "History, we don't know. We'll all be dead." (Woodward Shares War Secrets, CBS News, 60 Minutes, April 18, 2004).

There's something so so creepy about the man.

[CoffeeCat]

97. I thought Bush's comment...

...was a slip of the tongue--revealing that he doesn't believe in any after life.

I thought Bush was a Christian who believed that he would be in heaven with Jesus, after he died?

I think, right htere, he was admitting that he would be dead as a doornail, and not dancing
in the clouds with the angels.

[jmowreader]

108. No, I think he knows his destination

He's going to hell.

There's a special hell for the Bush family. In it are all the people they had killed or enabled other people to kill, so it's well packed.

It's got all the people who died in Auschwitz, every death from the Iran-Iraq War (especially the people from Halabja), every death from Operation Iraqi Liberation. It's got all the people who died on 9/11. (Except Barbara Olson, who is over in the room with Pigboy Limbaugh, Hannity and O'Reilly. Their hell consists of waiting hand-and-foot on the Clintons.) It's got all the people Shrub executed in Texas. It's got every soldier who committed suicide since he took office. There's no fire. Hell has no fire. It is a place where you spend eternity with the thing you most fear, and in Bush's case it's facing someone he killed...or a couple million of the people he killed.

Shrub will have to spend eternity with all the people he killed. He knows it. And he knows he's going down in history as the greatest mass murderer since Adolf Hitler. How's that for a legacy?

[NBachers]

120. Central American Carnage

May they spend eternity drowning in the screams, blood, and terror of all the men, women, and children slaughtered in their undeclared war in Central America. Having to face all the people sent to prison (and their suffering families) during the War on Drugs while Bush / Reagan were bringing in airborne cocaine freighters. Reunion with Ollie in Hell
Another eternity as American hostages in an Iranian prison while Carter is sabotaged from within. Is this treason or what?

[Initech]

21. 152 death warrants in a span of four (six?) years...

If that doesn't say "psycho" then what does? :yoiks:

[jmowreader]

110. Isn't Shrub still in the Guinness Book of World Records?

"Greatest number of executions by a United States governor." Shrub whacked so many people they'll never catch him.

[roguevalley]

30. I know that people hate this but Hitler used to spew like this in the

wolfs lair, moving non-existent divisions around a table while his generals stood by speechless.

[axollot]

67. Sadly, I thought of Hitler as soon as I had read the OP ----

--I know the saying goes that a thread is "done" once Hitler or Nazis are mentioned - but this isn't that type of thread, the comparison has always been in the back of my mind regarding * and now I know exactly why it was always there.

Dear God, what has this country come to? Bringing so called democracy with the end of a gun......is it any wonder so many from the Middle East absolutely hate us? Would we not hate the people from a country if they were invading us or those countries we are close to? We have become the terrorists haven't we....I've been saying for years that 'terrorism' is in the eye of the beholder - meaning, it depends on who is doing the act of violence against you, determines who you feel is a 'terrorist'. This makes me really sad.

Cheers
Sandy
Obama 08!
we need sanity in our government.

[roguevalley]

69. I agree, Sandy. I just finished a book on Hitler spanning his birth

until 1936 so the parallel just jumped off the page. Cheers, honey.

[rebel with a cause]

91. I always compared bush to hitler

especially when the nation was following him blindly and he was demanding that they continue to do so. "You are either for us or against us." I was against him in 2000 and there was not one day after that that I was for him. Not after 9/11, never. I had a lot of people mad at me, even my kids, but I never trusted him enough to be for him. :evilfrown:

[electropop]

62. ANd if this was a democracy, Bush would be gone, 80% of Americans want him gone.

[LiberalFighter]

117. Appears to me that Iraq has a democracy when 80% of them want Bush and his crap out of their country

:evilgrin:

[Neecy]

2. Isn't he supposed to be some kind of Christian?

[saigon68]

4. No He is a War Criminal

When the history books are written this stuff will be hung on him like Bloody rags

[NCDem60]

6. Ever heard of the crusades?

[hobbit709]

7. And we know how well they turned out

[Zynx]

46. Those were cynical political endeavors for the most part.

[NCDem60]

81. And what we are doing now isn't?

[bow-tie]

9. Actually that's exactly

"Christian" like words and thought. Where ya been for 2000 years?

[dave123williams]

66. He's some kind of something, alright.

This guy makes Slim Pickins in Dr. Strangelove look like he's stable.

[rambler_american]

78. slim Pickins

That scene where Pickins rides the bomb was my first thought upon reading this thread.

[hobbit709]

3. Big talk from Major Chickenhawk

He should be certified as non compos mentis.

[ladywnch]

75. i'm wondering how long after his term is over that we'll hear he

has been diagnosed with some kind of mental illness. Much like Reagan having Alzhimers well before he left office. He'll do this for two reasons: 1) because he's hoping to avoid war crimes trials (assuming he'll be excused due to not being able to participate in his own defense). and 2) to hopefully absolve himself of responsibility for his sins. I'm convinced all his alcohol and drug use has to have done his brain damage.

[awoke_in_2003]

89. He doesn't have to do anything

to avoid a war crimes trial. The US will never hold them, and we will never extradite an ex president.

[ladywnch]

100. ah, but if he's picked up in Paraguay...... :-)

[awoke_in_2003]

114. That would be nice

but he will probably never live there. He is nice and safe here. The Family just wants that land so they can fuck people over when the water crisis occurs.

[Pyewacket]

8. Lives lost

So many American lives lost...and now Mia Farrow's nephew...I hope this can be resolved soon.

[Canuckistanian]

11. Wow. "marching to democracy" using a goose step

And all this big talk from a man who would wet his pants if he ever got NEAR a shot fired in anger.

The Hague looks more and more likely each day.

[Aviation Pro]

12. Tough talk...

...from President Fuckstick. Lookee here, you AWOL, chickenshit motherfucker, you want to be tough? Put down your little tricycle, pick up a rifle and stand a watch otherwise you're just another wannabe Rambette who pisses in his pants at thought of hearing direct fire and runs up the fetid womb of his silver douchebag mother.

Yet again, go fuck yourself and the Shitstain Shoots-Guy-In-Face that your rode in on.

[saigon68]

15. WOW Nice Rant-- this one deserves a K & R

[Aviation Pro]

22. There is nothing that pisses me off more...

...than a phony who talks a tough game in the lockeroom, but when it comes to lacing them up and getting his ass on the field he wets and shits his pants and curls into a fetal ball.

That's President Fuckstick in a nutshell. He is nothing more than the King Shit of Gym Rats in my eyes.

[The Wizard]

106. All that tough talk is a cover

for impotence or latent homosexuality. Much of the support for Republicans who sound like professional wrestlers comes from guys who now have something that now hangs down to watch them tie their shoes that used to stand to watch them shave.
All these tough talking pubes managed to escape Vietnam. Those of us who carried a 16 through rubber plantations and rice paddies would like a word or two in private with these punk ass mother fuckers who send others to do their dirty work while war profiteering runs rampant. Field telephone wires attached to their nuts might be a good start.

[Aviation Pro]

119. Well said, bro....

...

[Oeditpus Rex]

13. I didn't expect a kind of American Inquisition

[Kablooie]

14. Well, Bush said, "I'm an igniter, not a diviser", didn't he?

[kentuck]

16. The guy truly scares me.

Are you sure they executed Ted Bundy??

[csziggy]

34. brothers?

[shanti]

39. it's the unibrow!

:spray:

[bdamomma]

55. scares me too, shameful the Congress has not done one thing

to rein this SOB in.

[scarface2004]

17. very hitleresque!

fricking asshole!

[grasswire]

18. worth a reading of the whole article

Extremely interesting insights.

[Octafish]

112. Guess Bush wishes he'd given Sanchez that fourth star.

Bushzis needed to pin the blame on somebody.

How Much Did Rumsfeld Know?

[OwnedByFerrets]

19. Only thing he was even close to being best at....War Criminal.

[tularetom]

20. Glad I wasn't at that meeting

I'd be in deep shit trouble for

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Seriously how could any of these generals who had actually seen action, keep a straight face at the spectacle of this punkass little twerp talkin like fucking Rambo.

He and Powell should have both been placed under citizen's arrest and congress given the responsibility of selecting a new chief executie.

[saigon68]

25. I suspect many of "THOSE" Generals rode the pines at the Pentagon

And therefore saw little "action".

After Powell's little performance and dance at the UN he became a Pariah. And I seem to recall reading somewhere he played a part in the My Lai coverup

[digidigido]

63. I'm no fan of Powell, but if you're going to character assassinate someone, be sure

your facts are right rather then throwing out little smears

[Pastiche423]

71. What facts are wrong?

[kath]

103. Powell DID play a significant part in the My Lai coverup.

Google this:

Colin Powell "My Lai"

and see what comes up. You should find it quite educational...

[bill for obama]

116. He was just a G3 intelligence officer - what part??

I personally do want him to vindicate himself one day - cause I recognize he was a great military leader - it is unfair that the country made military officers political appendages - and they don't appreciate it either.

DO you think horrible things happen in war -every war - did he know stuff like that was going on - not specifically - but was going to go on?? It has happened in every single war you know!!

SIgnificant part in My Lai - no. He didn't order it, wasn't there. That he knew stuff like that was or was going to happen - every military leader knows that. Part of the cost of war - why you should avoid it.

[saigon68]

128. He is a troll

Ignore him

[saigon68]

127. I could tell you

to Bite my ass

But with 100 posts you are a proper troll out to cause trouble

Cover-up and investigations

Colin Powell, then a 31-year-old Army Major, was charged with investigating the letter, which did not specifically reference My Lai (Glen had limited knowledge of the events there). In his report Powell wrote: "In direct refutation of this portrayal is the fact that relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese people are excellent." Powell's handling of the assignment was later characterized by some observers as "whitewashing" the atrocities of My Lai.

"Behind Colin Powell's Legend -- My Lai" by Robert Parry and Norman Solomon, The Consortium for Independent Journalism, July 22, 1996.

and since you probably weren't in the Nam or if you were you are probably a REMF

[Initech]

23. Bush has only been good at one thing - mass destruction.

It will take us several decades to even begin to undo all the damage that he's done to this country and the planet.m

[Adsos Letter]

24. Tough Talk...

...from a man behind a desk...

[glitch]

27. This goes without saying but Jesus Christ, what an asshole.

I hope he gets the help he needs. I really do. Because otherwise he'll never feel the pain he's caused, I want him to feel it.

[WhiteTara]

29. where is KO on this one? This is bigger than

Snotty. This is his creepy general. OMG!

[peacetalksforall]

32. Our Secretary of Peace missed that meeting. Our Secretaryof Peace

has been missing a lot of meetings.

[magellan]

33. He sounds like an over the top villain in an old-time radio show. n/t

[magnificent9]

35. an offensive little man

[Occulus]

57. "I am this burned, hot stain. Smirk."

-Commander McPissypants

[Lautremont]

36. Buried in there, a new moron classic:

"There is a series of moments, and this is one of them."

[Bennyboy]

37. Kick and R'd.....

[windoe]

40. First they have to obey a subpoena

but being sociopaths, they do not think the laws apply to them. I think this is the conundrum, how to enforce the law with mentally ill people? I am serious here. They are looking at reality different here.

[tom_paine]

41. A fucking lunatic, dimestore Caligula.

We can only thank God this is now and not anywhere else.

If this was Germany 1933, there is no doubt in my mind that Bush would be identical to Hitler.

And I strongly suspect, that were he given the daunting task of dissassembling the United States of America, which wuld have to be done in camoflauge and lies of freedom, as in the Roman Republic, Hitler would have done exactly what BushCheney have done.

[New Dawn]

42. The words of a fascist, and he did end up murdering over one million Iraqis (so far)...

[Echo In Light]

45. The US govt has been diligently killing Iraqis for a long time

"We think the price is worth it." ~ Madeleine Albright
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCdR0tGuZOc&feature=related

[malaise]

43. These are war crimes plain and simple

"'Kick ass!' Bush said, echoing Colin Powell's tough talk. 'If somebody tries to stop the march to democracy, we will seek them out and kill them! We must be tougher than hell! This Vietnam stuff, this is not even close. It is a mind-set. We can't send that message. It's an excuse to prepare us for withdrawal.

"There is a series of moments and this is one of them. Our will is being tested, but we are resolute. We have a better way. Stay strong! Stay the course! Kill them! Be confident! Prevail! We are going to wipe them out! We are not blinking!'"
---
The rantings of a madman!

[bdamomma]

61. oh, this man has to be locked up he is a threat to all of us

why hasn't he yet????

[Echo In Light]

44. A grim K&R

[Vinca]

47. He's truly insane. Today we learn we have prison ships roaming the globe.

I don't care if there's 1 day left in his term, this character should be impeached or, even better, tried for war crimes.

[Echo In Light]

48. Oh, come on!...it's time to "Look Ahead!..Look Ahead!"

Translation = go back to sleep and allow power to continue doing whatever power wishes to.

[formercia]

49. Junior doesn't care if he's remembered as another Caligula

as long as he's remembered. He wants to put his mark on history and good guys are usually forgotten.

[trof]

50. And he loves to dress up in military garb.

"specially tailored jackets with "George W. Bush, Commander In Chief" carefully stitched across the breast"

"For years, he visibly glowed when publicly dressing up in a way that was redolent of the boy version of war (that is, doll... er, action figure) play. While Abraham Lincoln never put on a uniform and an actual general, Dwight D. Eisenhower, put his in the closet in his years as president, Bush uniquely and repeatedly appeared in public togged out in military wear, looking for all the world like a life-sized version of the original 12-inch G.I. Joe action figure -- whether "landing" a jet on the aircraft carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln, and stepping out in a nifty flight suit, or appearing before massed hooah-ing troops in specially tailored jackets with "George W. Bush, Commander In Chief" carefully stitched across the breast. (In fact, more than one toy company did indeed produce G.I. Joe-style Bush action figures.)"

[dasein]

79. the man thinks he IS GI Joe

Isn't it illegal to impersonate a member of the Armed Forces, like this little chickenshit does?

[liam_laddie]

123. Does GI Joe have a penis?

I don't think Ken (Barbie's alleged squeeze) was modeled with a penis. If true, GWB is indeed a perfect GI Joe.
:rofl:

[spanone]

51. and where was the cheerleader in vietnam? chickenshit chickenhawk

[J R]

52. Remind anyone else of Hitler?

Bush seems a bit hysterical here...

[lonestarnot]

53. little bushitler busholini freak!

[bdamomma]

54. now who is to say * would not do this us too.

he is mentally out of control.

[barbtries]

56. and to think that this fuck

is STILL president and we aren't even allowed to consider impeachment. it sucks living with bated breath, but that's what i'm doing until he is OUT and i'll be looking for an international tribunal if nobody in the US can find a way to bring this administration to justice. JUSTICE!
peace. amen

[Marie26]

59. You know in "the Office"

when Jim gives Dwight a Mussolini speech to use for his "pep talk" to the salespeople? This is sort of like that.

[JHB]

60. Oh. My. God.

Yeah, we already know he really does talk like that.

But to intellectually know it still doesn't diminish an actual quote.

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

Just frikkin unbelievable.

[KansDem]

65. When did they move the Oval Office into the White House locker room?

Sounds like my Pop Warner football days.

[Ichingcarpenter]

68. It looks like this story is getting some major play on the web now

Hopefully the networks will pick it up, I won't hold my breath
but I'm seeing it promoted in major feeds now on the net.

[Dukkha]

70. "This Vietnam stuff, this is not even close"

How would he know since the chickenshit coward didn't go to Vietnam!

[Richardo]

72. Kurtz: We must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig.

Cow after cow. Village after village. Army after army.


Thank you, George, you're offically as crazy as Col. Kurtz. (That Vietnam thing.)

[Disturbed]

73. Busholini approved of Torture & Illega.l Spying on Americans.

He may still decide to bomb Iran. Is this Silver Spoon Sociopath insane?

[BlueEyedSon]

74. Anyone surprised?

[Sunnyshine]

76. It makes me ill. It isnot human. n/t

[Disturbed]

77. Sadly, it is quite human. Busholini is the defintion of

"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

[Joanne98]

80. He's addicted to blood

[Canuckistanian]

82. He really sounds like a cartoon bad guy, doesn't he?

All that's missing is the demonic laugh.

"They thought they could fool me, didn't they? They thought I was a big joke! They mocked me! Well, I'll have the last laugh - Muwahahahahahaha!"

He really sounds like Dr. Evil in an Austin Powers movie script.

[spindrifter]

124. You left off the presidential seal on his socks!!

[The Backlash Cometh]

83. Can we all agree that swift retaliation is a bad idea?

This is a point I profoundly disagree with Richard Clarke. We just do not have the track record to retaliate quickly and be absolutely sure that we're attacking the right people, and thus, not make our situation worse. Our intelligence stinks, or is intentionally gamed to provide us with misinformation. So our own quasi-allies can trick us into a war because we've shown to be too impulsive when it comes to organizing a strike.

[bill for obama]

85. No I don't agree - HE was too impulsive -

Stupid or worse. Kill...who???

The US - usually looks before it leaps. This guy is an aboration and does not represent the US.

[The Backlash Cometh]

96. I suspect we're saying the same thing.

Look over history, Bush wasn't the first to run lame-brained into a war. The Gulf of Ton kin is often cited as an intentional prodding of the US, knowing the US would respond in a knee-jerk reaction. This is because the pattern was established with the Lusitania and Pearl Harbor. Both valid, clear decisions, mind you, but from that point, it has been easy to hijack our foreign war policy, because the pattern is there. If you want to bring the US into the fight, kill some of its citizens and make sure that the smoke trail leads to the other guy. George Bush just took it to village idiot status, but that's what happened with the Gulf of Tonkin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident

So, I fault Richard Clarke for blaming presidents for not retaliating swiftly against the enemy that attacks us, because, we simply don't know who has their political mitts into our intelligence agencies anymore.

[bill for obama]

98. Oh - we do agree.

But I would never compare the Bu*h action to any other president - he went so far beyond the pale of stupid.

Clarke may or may not be right - I think generally it must be smart to hit hard at any attack on our people quickly- but that assumes you hit the right party!!

[The Backlash Cometh]

102. Precisely. You only make the situation worse if you hit the wrong one.

And, it almost becomes impossible to retaliate against the people who misdirected us because A) they're usually quasi-allies; and B) we have Americans here who think it's unpatriotic to ever admit that America made a mistake.

[bill for obama]

104. Indeed.

Tell you one other thing - americans who cannot admit a mistake - threaten the safety of the country. The true patriot - finds and admits the mistake and moves to correct it.

If they don't - I question their patriotism.

[bill for obama]

105. Indeed.

Tell you one other thing - americans who cannot admit a mistake - threaten the safety of the country. The true patriot - finds and admits the mistake and moves to correct it.

If they don't - I question their patriotism.

[greiner3]

86. And bush concluded;

He, he, he...

[Baby Snooks]

88. But Feinstein and Pelosi like him!

He hasn't acted alone. I get quite ill thinking about Feinstein commenting on what a nice person he is. And then get quite ill thinking about Pelosi and her table. The Empress. Serving her Emperor.

[Rex]

92. And of course the achilles heel of the plan makes a calling.

You can't occupy a country and make your main plan to kill them, wipe them out, without blinking. Maybe that worked centuries ago, people just don't work that way anymore. Not in this modern century.

Stupid, beyond moronic, evil, horrendous, hubris, assholes with real guns and planes and ships to make money with. Just another form of corporate piracy.

[DutchLiberal]

93. Well, it's not very different from many comments in the 'Death penalty'-thread...

[mikelewis]

94. How funny... that's exactly what Jesus would say...

If he was a fucking maniacal asshole... that is.

[MadMaddie]

95. Wow...I know I am going to get it for saying it but it was

almost like he was channeling some other world leader that used words like "Our will is being tested", "we will seek them out and kill them"....just sayin...

But on a more serious note he sounds like a high school kid who is so testosterone excited that he can't control himself...this is what America has a leader...

[bill for obama]

122. I wish it was just testostorone - if it was he'd just go screw a

cheerleader I suppose.

No disrespet to cheerleaders.

I think he really is that stupid.

[Imagevision]

99. "Kill Them" Bush, the guy getting his rocks off by putting m-80's in the mouths of frogs...

[neverforget]

101. The Little Man sure talks tough when his ass isn't on the line.

What an asshole.

[Octafish]

107. Chimps for Empire!

He looks like a NAZI.
He talks like a NAZI.
He acts like a NAZI.

And impeachment is off the table.

[Douglas Carpenter]

113. Kick and recommended

[texastoast]

115. Not surprising

Psychopath.

[Robeson]

118. I really hope there's a cadre in the Pentagon, and in our ruling elite, who will not let this....

...man's finger be on the button. I sincerely hope they will never let him have the final say.

[bill for obama]

121. I think if some one does hold that trigger finger back -

Ironically - it will be the CIA - Most bizzare observation I have ever made -given my generations distaste with them.

I think they are pissed off for being made a scape goat - I think the really good commanders already resigned the army - and I think - god forgive me for saying this - I think the CIA may be the best hope for stopping something stupid - even if it is just to protect a very tarnished reputation.


My opinion.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

125. "It is essential he be wiped out."

Wait a minute - Bush used the subjunctive?

[emald]

126. uggghhhhh...

this would be sad if he were not the pResident. Confused, dry drunk, an emotional teenager, a general failure and one very ugly human being. What has become of our country? Freedom? Now we read of prison ships. Unless something changes, and soon, we are going to be involved in destroying humanity for the sake of greed. This man is loony tunes. And the dems are dancing with him. Ugggghhhh....