What is the Difference between Liberals and Republicans exactly?

[undergroundpanther]

What is the REAL differences?

Democratic Core Values...

#1 Civil liberties.
The right to be who you are, think what you think,feel what you feel create,love pursue your happiness and live your life without being abused threatened,tortured,denied access to housing,a job,or whatever..

#2 Equality
realizing each person has value and one person is not inherently superior to the others.

#3 Civil rights,Rule of Law and Social Justice
Protecting the weak,poor and disenfranchised,from the big guys the corporate bullies ,standing up for"the little guy".
Human rights and the law apply equally to all humans.

#4 Respect for the environment,realizing we SHARE this planet and must take care of it.That means healthy air water,safe farming,no cruelty to animals,or excuses for corporate pollution,and careless destruction of the ecosystem,we all share.

#5 Privacy
Citizens have a right to privacy in communication,in their lives,homes,communities...
Rights to privacy that the government and corporations, being non persons are NOT entitled to.

#6 Transparency in government
Protection for whistle blowers that ensure it's transparency.
Free press,free exchange of information pertaining to what the government is doing and what laws or executive orders get passed in the dead of night or what bills come up for voting,what our taxes are used for(representation).

#7 Values the human being,the welfare of the ecosystem we all depend on and share and community over the corporate and large scale private.Liberal values seek to protect the general welfare, keep the commons there for everyone to use, and have the recognition of our inherent interdependency.

#8 A recognition of our self sovereignty,in our personal lives and because of this there is the right to human dignity,and the acceptance of the reality of diversity and personal uniqueness.
Liberals and Democrats can believe this without over valuing the individual to the point the community loses it's cohesive power and political will to effect changes.

#9 Government has a role for providing for the general welfare of all the people that make up our society..
One duty of government is to provide for the needs of society that powerful private interests cannot (or more honestly CHOOSE to not) provide.)Liberal Democrats recognize that government solutions to problems (be it health care, safe and affordable housing housing, education, basic financial security are necessary for society to function). The imperfect solutions that arise to address these issues are far better than ignoring or denying real needs. . Liberals/Democrats know it is unfair for the powerful and wealthy to yammer on about "personal responsibility"using it as an excuse to neglect basic human needs,and social services that many are denied.Like education, opportunity,material help,emergency services, public transportation, safety from crime in their neighborhoods, access to the resources necessary to realize their potential and live.

#10 The strict Wall of Separation of Church and State.

#11. The rights of private citizens are valued over those of corporations.Corporations are not human beings.
Labor rights are valued over the corporate exploitation of human rights and human needs or suffering for for increasing profits.

# 12. U.S. must behave as a responsible member of the world community,and encourage and facilitate International Cooperation and Leadership.(The true purpose of leadership is not to create followers for the leader to exploit or use like a posse ,but to create leaders that will lead themselves,and lead others to know how to lead themselves.)
War should not used as profit maker for the super wealthy or their corporations .War is not used to steal other countries resources.War is not a tool of corporations or the 'leaders' whims to make himself a "legacy".War is last resort.Nor are we to meddle in other countries affairs by starting wars to dominate.

# 13.Democrats and liberals desire people to be educated,exposed to diverse ideas, people and beliefs.To be reasonable,wiser,less bigoted or afraid, informed to wisely participate in public civic life, stand up together to secure our democracy and protect human rights from those who would want them destroyed.


Who wants them destroyed? Those who have Republican"values".



The Republican core values:

#1."Ordered Liberty."
Basically it is the idea some people are entitled to be more free,have lives of excess,and have more power than others.This "ordered liberty" idea is justified by:

#2 A divine intent, as well as personal conscience, rules society.
In other words God and his"chosen few" rule everyone else.
Another way of saying, "The Divine right of Kings".That distorted belief was one reason some people came to this country to form a new and fairer (it has flaws and injustices some are corrected some not yet.) to attempt to form of King-less government for the people, by the people and by the consent of the governed..

#2 Traditional lifestyle is filled with variety and mystery, while republicans are convinced most radical(read liberal)political or lifestyles are characterized by a narrowing uniformity ..
Can you see this is a PROJECTION? IN practice, in reality the right wing is VERY conformist and Authoritarian because of it's core values it believes are absolute and by divine decree, it is class based oppression arranged in orders, allegedly imposed upon humanity from a "divine source".Conservative/republican beliefs are Intolerant of non-mainstream, non-christian,non hierarchical religions,it is intolerant of non-heterosexual sexual orientations and intolerant of gender variations,and some right wing believers are hostile to non white races,still after all these years.The right wing belief system demands a high degree of social conformity from every individual because how else do they maintain control over this UNFAIR, UNJUST, top down order they think is divine in origin and enforced by god's chosen leaders? Orders and classes by divine degree(biblical).Again.

#3 Civilized society requires orders and classes.

The poor stay poor because god thinks they are inferior rich are rich because god blesses the rich and places them higher in the social order because they are entitled to that life because god created these 'orders and classes' so they think, self serving-ly.
The poor must not be helped financially(give a man a fish..) lest they become lazy,dependant, or "immoral"or expect"handouts". The wealthy republican believes poverty is good for the poor it keeps them servile and the desperation poverty causes provides them dependant on the elite,and provides corporations with cheap labor to exploit.But if the Republican himself was threatened by poverty he would become due to his lack of character and narcissism everything he projects upon the poor.

#4 Property(private) and freedom are inseparably connected.
This is not true in absolute terms.
http://ranprieur.com/readings/jensenbox.html
http://members.aol.com/trajcom/private/commons.htm

#5 Man must control his will and his appetite, knowing that he is governed more by emotion than by reason.
Apparently the Republicans because of their "high class status" feel no need to do this,if they can hide it from the lower classes.They expect this behavior however out of all the classes beneath them.
Because republican values include lying, hypocrisy and a two faced 'double lifestyle' one face is an upstanding church going, pillar of society,as for the other..well..click the link.
http://www.armchairsubversive.org/
And republicans knowing how exploitable people governed by human emotions and appetites are, The right wing to maintain orders and classes do manipulate the lower classes through human emotions and appetites and shut down reason.Just look at talk radio,Rush,Savage,Coulter?..Need I say more?

#6 Society must alter itself slowly.
Slowly change for the public welfare the republicans insist,but they behave this way only when democrats are in power.Unfair unrealistic republican "values" are the real cause of the idiotic partisan gridlock on things that would help the poor that prevent a better life for all,and ensure the safety net is stagnated and people in need "fall through the cracks" so social welfare services for the general welfare will languish in committee.
If you wonder why,remember the republican conservative "values" od divine orders and classes,so the status quo class structure that oppresses many but blesses the few must be maintained at all costs. (because god says it, it must be made so)But funny, when republicans get into power they forget this tenet,pronto. And go about establishing orders and classes again that cause much human suffering. In 8 years Bush has destroyed so much of the hard fought liberal and human rights advancements in this society and turned society back to a darker time,there is much suffering again, in 8 short years.
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Empathy is antithetical to control, which is why control systems demand psychopathy as the standard mode of function. It keeps hierarchy, authority and contractual obligations in a dominating position, always overriding the urge of care, compassion, and a heartfelt connection and empathy for all forms of life. That psychopathy and hared of empathy is what is at the heart of "compassionate conservatism."
In short Conservatives fail at governance and at leadership because of their unrealistic ,and unfair beliefs,their duplicity and corruption, their lack of ethical understanding of what the bill of rights means,their petty bigotries,hypocrisy, and sometimes their personality types in of themselves are why Republicans cannot be trusted to govern anything..

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2006/0607.wolfe.html
http://jmooneyham.com/enormous-costs-to-society-of-right-wing-governance-reference.html
http://www.unknownnews.org/060502a-Panther.html
http://ponerology.blogspot.com/2005/12/political-ponerology-science-on-nature.html
http://www.irregulartimes.com/realgop.html
http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/2007/10/09/schip/


Here is the movements of these conflicting values illustrated.

[Greyhound]

1. First of all, you're conflating (maybe confusing?) liberal with Democrat, there

is no correlation other than the Raygunesque propaganda.
:kick:

[undergroundpanther]

3. Democracy Liberal

Both are working in the same direction of ideas in many ways.

Liberal is not a dirty word.Republicans tried to make it a dirty word and some stupid or ignorant people unwilling to crack open a dictionary themselves believe the propaganda fed to them by the right wing..

"I am also very proud to be a liberal. Why is that so terrible these days? The liberals were liberators -- they fought slavery, fought for women to have the right to vote, fought against Hitler, Stalin, fought to end segregation, fought to end apartheid. Liberals put an end to child labor and they gave us the five day work week! What'sto be ashamed of?" - Barbara Streisand
JFK on being a Liberal:
http://www.liberalparty.org/JFKLPAcceptance.html

What Liberal means:
A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority.Favorable to progress or reform,party advocating measures of progressive political reform.
Favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, esp. as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties.
Favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.
Favoring representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.
Free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant: a liberal attitude toward foreigners.open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

What Democract is:

1. An advocate of democracy.
2. One who believes in social equality or discounts distinctions in rank.
3.A member of the Democratic Party.

What Democracy is:
THE PILLARS OF DEMOCRACY

* Sovereignty of the people.
* Government based upon consent of the governed.
* Majority rule.
* Minority rights.
* Guarantee of basic human rights.
* Free and fair elections.
* Equality before the law.
* Due process of law.
* Constitutional limits on government.
* Social, economic, and political pluralism.
* Values of tolerance, pragmatism, cooperation, and compromise.
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/whatsdem/whatdm2.htm


As you can see there is A LOT of overlap between being liberal and democracy.

[liberal N proud]

4. My reply would be:

Liberals are allowed to think for themselves and make up their own mind.
Cons have to be told what to think, who to vote for and what to believe. Which is evident in the number of right wing talk shows are on the air.

That pretty much covers all the bases.

[undergroundpanther]

8. good point!

Inner locus of self control= Liberal
Have to be controlled by others to feel in control =Republican

[miles 2 go]

2. I'd answer with

One believes in welfare for the poor and hates welfare for the rich

and the other believes in

welfare for the rich and hates welfare for the poor

[undergroundpanther]

6. The Qualms..

Bush is the fleecer of America.
I shall suffer with need.
He maketh many to lie down on park benches,
He leadeth me beside closed stores in strip malls.
He restoreth my hatred of the Republican Party
He permits Outsourcing jobs for corporate profits sake
He leadeth us down paths of frivolus wars,torture,and disgrace
for his legacy's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution and war,
I will find no exit, for thou art in office,The GOP is evil and thou art against me.

Thou encouraging of corporate corruption,predatory lending,futures trading, and the destructive market speculation bubbles ensure my expenses runneth over my income.
Surely poverty and hard living shall follow the The American People whenever they elect Republicans
And my college educated children in debt, shall lose hope in their dreams for success in life, dwell in poverty hunger and stress and take Effexor forever.

[miles 2 go]

12. Very Good

:toast:

[Robbien]

5. And to sum all that up

Dems believe in community health and welfare.
GOPers believe in every man for himself.

Gah! Reading through your list of GOPer values is truly scary. They are all true, but sure does sound dark and ugly all listed out like that.

[undergroundpanther]

7. That's why

For Republicans Image,P.R. and Propaganda is EVERYTHING.

They just can't come out and TELL the people what they stand for plainly , they know they would not be elected,they might be expelled from power immediately arrested or and seen as psychopaths,evil or a threat to the aspirations of this country..

So they put lots of lipstick and perfume on that dead pig.

[Solon]

9. You are confusing Liberal values with Democratic party values, the Democratic party...

is a conservative party that has more in common with the Republicans than it does with liberals or leftists.

[Disturbed]

11. The Democratic party is mostly centrist, not leftist.

The Green Party is to the left of the Dem Party & to the right of Socialists.

[uppityperson]

10. Liberal/Conservative, Democrat/Republican

These are the opposites, the comparisons. The opposite of a Republican is not a liberal, since 1 is a political party and the other is an adjective. I know liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats.

If you want to compare Democrats with Republicans, then this is an interesting set of thoughts.

And no, I don't consider either liberal or conservative as bad words. They are just a couple adjectives that can be used in many ways and most of us have both liberal and conservative parts to us.

[NoGOPZone]

13. I'd say minimum fifty IQ points. nt

[MedleyMisty]

14. There actually is something to that

All the giftedness literature I've ever read says that morality and empathy increases with IQ *in general*. Of course there are exceptions.

Look at the list of characteristics on this site.

http://www.geniusdenied.com/Articles/Record.aspx?rid=13165&NavID=13_0

Note these.

"Highly developed morals and ethics and early concern for moral and existential issues.
Unusual and early insight into social and moral issues.
Ability to empathetically understand and relate to ideas and other people.
A need for the world to be logical and fair."

[Echo In Light]

15. Quote from Jung:

"...For in this way we train them only to be obedient children and thereby strengthen the very forces that made them ill—their conservative backwardness and submission to authority."