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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:37 PM
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Girl in polygamy case is disputing another female's claim to her baby.
Thank goodness for the DNA tests, but I wish the judge had rendered an order for this case in time. There appears to be a chance they might let the wrong woman take a baby.

The girl's attorney also says the girl has been a subject of sexual abuse, and that the order today doesn't protect her from the perpetrator.

http://deseretnews.com/article/1,5143,700231225,00.html

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Malonis filed the emergency request this afternoon with the 51st District Court in Schleicher County asserting that Judge Barbara Walther's order lacks restrictions or provisions that take into account the immediate risk of the alleged perpetrator having access to the girl.
The attorney, in her request, said several of these concerns were brought up before Walther on Friday but she was told by the court to wait until after the hearing to discuss them because they did not apply to the other children.

Malonis said she waited, but then Walter abruptly left the bench without addressing the concerns.

"I'm working with her mother's attorney and we are going to enter our own orders that are just little more tailored to my client," she said today.

Malonis complains that she and the attorney representing her client's mother had worked out an agreement that would have kept her client under the purview of the state Department of Family and Protective Services for 30 additional days with a review set at that time. The custody arrangement would continued regardless of any of the court rulings releasing FLDS children.

The agreement would have given time for DNA testing to come back. That, she argues, was a critical component in her case because her client is a mother to a child in custody being cared for by another person. "Ad Litem requested that the court await the outcome of DNA results before entering an order so that a person entitled to possession could be properly identified for each infant in custody."

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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:49 PM
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1. k&r Is this W. Jeff's kid? I can't tell if this is about 2 different kids.
the first part seems to be that W.Jeff's kid, not sure about this part...
"The agreement would have given time for DNA testing to come back. That, she argues, was a critical component in her case because her client is a mother to a child in custody being cared for by another person."
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:53 PM
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4. I can't tell either. I thought the article about Jeff's daughter said that she
wasn't a mother -- and this girl says she IS.


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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:00 PM
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9. Thanks, looking again. Interesting bit on changing church policy re underage marriages...
"The girl is not known to be a mother, Malonis said, and declined further comment about why she is believed to be an abuse victim." http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/jun/02/flds-children-heading-home-today/

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g8-DEMtAE9q4i4ySQ0eV_qZefmRQD9127NI00
"ELDORADO, Texas (AP) — An elder in a Texas polygamist group says church policy going forward will to be to forbid any girl to marry who is not old enough to legally consent in the state where she lives. Willie Jessop of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints said Monday the church has been widely misunderstood. But he says the church will not sanction marriages of underage girls and will counsel members against such unions."
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:03 PM
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11. Yes, if the FLDS are serious about stopping underage marriages,
that at least will be a step forward.

Unfortunately, even 18 year olds in this sect aren't as mature in their decision making capacity as they should be.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:07 PM
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14. Fundamentalism.
Not as severe as the Taliban in Afghanistan, but along those lines.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:57 PM
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6. the children are taken away at birth, many do not know who is mother is or child is.. this simplifys
things when the pedophiles trade the little children to other pedophiles.. this camp is nothing but a baby factory to produce children for sale or barter
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 08:21 PM
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17. Has anyone figured out just how many kids Jeff's has? It's disgusting
no matter how many but just curious - is it in the hundreds maybe?
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Android3.14 Donating Member (79 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:49 PM
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2. I hope it works out for that young alleged mother
Because CPS so screwed up in this, the real tragedy is that person like this one will suffer. If they had done a proper investigation, they could have used that strong investigated case to force cooporation in this case.

This is what happens when we let intolerence force us into hasty decisions.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:56 PM
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5. How could they have done a "proper investigation" that would have
discovered this girl's abuse? When the CPS got to the ranch, many of the adults there were refusing even to give their own names and the names of their partners and children. And the girl would have been very unlikely to be brave enough to speak out, not at the ranch among everyone she knew.

As it is, they aren't even sure whether she has a baby or whether it belongs to some other woman.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:52 PM
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3. those 12 year olds will say anything ..
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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:58 PM
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7. I think maybe we now know why . . .
polygamy is illegal in all 50 states. Sheesh, what a tragic mess. :(
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 06:59 PM
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8. this isn't polygamy.. this is a Pedophile breeding farm to produce children to be raped
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:02 PM
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10. Many of us have no problem with adult polygamy, but statutory rape is different.
A big problem is "spiritual marriages" with underage girls, ie statutory rape. That is a big issue for most of us.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:03 PM
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12. So is the DNA testing going forward or not?
I'm still confused by that. I honestly don't understand how we go from wondering whether all of the kids actually belong to the adults at this compound to releasing them all without answering that question. For this reason, and for the situation mentioned in this article, I hope the DNA testing is still happening.

Off topic: I haven't read an article this poorly written since I was an editor for my high school newspaper. Wow. :D
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:05 PM
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13. Yes. DNA testing of children and adult females is going on.
I'd like to see it done of the men also but don't think that is happening.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:08 PM
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15. hell yes the men should be tested! I guess I assumed they were.
That way, if a woman makes the first step in breaking the cycle of abuse, she can do so while claiming the child support she's going to need when she leaves.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-02-08 07:11 PM
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16. Last I heard, many men weren't complying. I don't know why the judge
didn't make that a condition for releasing the children. I would think she could have.
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