Tweety had a 3 1/5 hour lunch with Paul Wolfowitz in 2003 and

[Auggie]

said Wolfowitz admitted to him the whole "coercive democracy" doctrine was the rationale for invading Iraq.

He said it today on Hardball.

For five years, unless I"ve really missed something, Tweety hasn't mentioned ANYTHING about that conversation, or did any digging, or reported on it until now, when McClellan's book is published. And to make it worse, he's showing some degree of indignity towards BushCo now that it's suddenly "fashionable" for the media to speak out against the Iraq lie.

They all knew it was bullshit. And they did and said nothing. AND NOW THEY HAVE THE GALL TO ADMIT IT IN AN ATTEMPT TO PROMOTE THEIR CAREERS.

I am SO pissed.

[LakeSamish706]

1. Yep, every one of these morons is in Cover Your Ass mode, including...

guys like Tweety and certainly other MSM types... There all Treasonous assholes in my mind.

[Botany]

2. I will always remember his man on man love for bush on the carrier

Tweety is all about Tweety ... he m.c.ed functions for Abramoff too.

[opihimoimoi]

7. Tweety had a crush on W during the Mission Accomp'd thingy

Tweety couldn't help but orgasm several times during the program..esp when Bush came out of the jet with a woodie....

What a Photo Op for the Bushies at the time....pure BS Crap...but the peeps sucked hard for it.

Damn....

[DJ13]

3. None of this would be coming out now without McClellan's book

[rucky]

4. That says alot that they feel they can come forward now

and not be too afraid out of fear ridiculed, marginalized, threatened, intimidated, or worse.

It means the Bush war machine is flatlining. Not pissed.

[crikkett]

5. what is the "whole 'coercive democracy' doctrine"?

I'm not sure what that is and I'd like to know, so thanks...

and the word you wanted was rationale....
(sorry, I had to proofread at work today and it's a hard thing to turn off)

and another thing, you should be happy as can be. Every reporter who dogs the administration about lying to go to war, is keeping the same administration out of Iran for one more day.

Today, I thank god for opportunistic shills.

[Auggie]

8. From McClellan's book:

"Although I didn't realize it at the time, we launched our campaign to sell the war, what drove Bush toward military confrontation more than anything else was an ambitious and idealistic post -9/11 vision of transforming the Middle East through the spread of freedom.

This view was grounded in a philosophy of coercive democracy, a belief that Iraq was ripe for conversion from a dictatorship into a beacon of liberty through the use of force and a conviction that this could be achieved at nominal cost.”

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24883051/page/2/

Thanks for picking up the typo. I'm trying to mutil-task here.

[CoffeeCat]

15. "Coercive Democracy" is the PNAC plan...

The entire plan, was up on their Web site.

This site has been taken down.

Can't say that we all didn't have their plan right in front of
our eyes, now can we???

They posted their fantasy of gaining "global domination through military force" right up on their
Web site. They even listed all of their names, some of which are: Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfled, Perle,
Bolton, Jeb Bush, Lieberman, Bill Kristol.

Like velociraptors--they "tested the fences" in 1998--when they asked Bill Clinton for war. They asked
him in a letter, which was signed by Wolfow, Rumsfeld, Perle, Lieberman, Kristol and others.

Clinton said no. It was reported that he told them that he couldn't consider it because he was
embroiled in the Monica situation, and people would accuse "me of wagging the dog."

That's always bothered me. Why not tell those warmongering psychopaths to go to hell? Why not tell them
that killing people in order to gain more resources and power is...oh, I don't know....IMMORAL???

Look at Hillary Clinton's Iraq-war vote. She knew the neocons asked her husband for an Iraq war. Yet, she
give it to them with her vote---knowing these guys asked for it in 1998????

THEY ALL KNOW THE REAL REASON FOR THE IRAQ WAR! All of them. That's what's so shitty.

They are all lying to us, when they tell us that they didn't realize that Bush would abuse his
power and go to war so fast.

They knew these PNAC/neocon scuzzballs had been salivating for war for nearly a decade.

It's so pathetic, how much they insult us--and what a stain they are on our history.

[bill for obama]

6. I wonder - did he get him to cover the tab ??

[CoffeeCat]

9. What chaps my hide...

...is that these criminal, thug, bastards pieces of human filth had their entire
Middle-East-Global-Domination-by-Military-Force up on their sickening, putrid
PNAC Web site.

It was all there, plain as day. All of their names were listed! They all asked
President Clinton for war with Iraq. He said no.

Then, when their boy George gains power, they now don't have to bother with an
unwilling President, and it's "go time." They asked for the Iraqi war--once again.
This time they asked Congress.

Every fucking member of Congress who voted YES understand DAMN WELL that these neocon
pieces of slime---had asked Bill Clinton for this war! THEY KNEW IT!!

They all lie to us. Be insulted, everyone! Because the media and these neocon
shit balls think that YOU (myself included) ARE FUCKING STUPID! They have meetings around big
tables--and they discuss how FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE!

Their plan was up on their Website. The problem is DENIAL. People would rather live
in a comfortable cloud of denial--than face that their government is a Fascist bunch of
sociopathic thugs organizing illegal, lie-based wars.

All we can do is hope to God that Barack Obama will dismantle all of this---thus ending
the 20 year party these scumbags have had--with their hate talk radio and their war-profiteering,
their vote stealing and their illegal wiretapping and their torture and their throwing away
of Habeas Corpus, and the way they almost dismantled our democracy.

They've lost this round and they know it.

But make no mistake--they'll be back. They made a ton of progress during the Bush Administration.

They will return another day to build upon their dreams of a Fascist America.

[Auggie]

12. Right -- Congress knew too!

"We believed the intelligence..."

Yeah, right.

[Rick Myers]

10. Tweety should go to The Hague with the rest of them...

:grr:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

11. Tweety was extremely anti-war in 2002

These articles that he published in the San Francisco Chronicle in 2002 prove it. In them, Matthews spoke out against the coming war and the need to stop it. He was highly critical of the neocons and what he called the "oil-patch veterans", Bush and Cheney. But about five months later, Phil Donohue was fired and Tweety suddenly flip-flopped completely:


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/09/01/IN133269.DTL

"...So I'll say it: I hate this war that's coming in Iraq. I don't think we'll be proud of it. Oppose this war because it will create a millennium of hatred and the suicidal terrorism that comes with it. You talk about Bush trying to avenge his father. What about the tens of millions of Arab sons who will want to finish a fight we start next spring in Baghdad?

Well, that's it for now. You know where I stand. ..."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2002/03/24/IN164155.DTL

"...A U.S.-Iraqi war has advanced well beyond the "contingency" phase. The last barrier of restraint, Secretary of State Colin Powell, has been broken by the will of a Bush administration partnership of ideology and oil that is now set on war. I wonder if anything can prevent this military move against Baghdad on which so many who hold power have set their hearts.

Start with the neo-conservative faction. Op-ed pages are full of anti- Hussein war drums. Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol has made a crusade of getting U.S. troops onto the streets of Baghdad. He and fellow Iraq hawk Robert Kagan write a regular column in the Washington Post pushing war, as does fellow neo-conservative Frank Gaffney Jr. for the Washington Times. Also on an Iraq jag is William Safire of the New York Times. When the neo-conservatives cannot blame Hussein for Sept. 11, they try tagging him with the anthrax letters. When that doesn't work, they again try to connect him to the World Trade Center and Pentagon horrors.

(...)

The neo-cons casually compare Iraq to the Third Reich, Israel to forsaken Czechoslovakia and skeptics to Neville Chamberlain, but their evidence for attacking Iraq doesn't hold up. The anthrax letters came from a source far nearer to our shores than Baghdad. And CIA chief George Tenet testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee last week that the "jury's still out" on whether Hussein had anything to do with Sept. 11.

Oil is a much more powerful motive for an Iraq attack.

Iraq is the Mideast's No. 2 supplier of oil, behind Saudi Arabia. The United States, swallowing a quarter of the world's production, is the world's No. 1 consumer. This country is led by a pair of oil-patch veterans who share a sense of entitlement about the world's oil reserves regardless of what flag flies above them. Bush and Cheney see Hussein's chief weapon of mass destruction as his threatened grip on the Persian Gulf oil tap.

This confluence of interest between ideology and oil has put us on the road to Baghdad. It's time for us to realize that American principles have precious little to do with this costly prospective military campaign. ..."

[eleny]

13. He's been "bragging" about that recently

It proves what we've been asserting for so long - that despite his saying he was against the war, he really wasn't.

If he did, he would have talked about that lunch and what he learned that day on his program years ago.

[samdogmom]

14. Maybe these clowns are now waking up to the fact that WHEN

Obama wins...it will be a new day in America! All of their lies, distortions, falsehoods, fictitious utterings, etc. will be exposed. And, the ones with criminal intent will be prosecuted!,


Sigh! Don't I wish!? I truly doubt this will ever happen...but, a girl can dream!

[peacetalksforall]

16. You're right to be pissed. Total lying hypocrisy. I despise and pity Tweety and

I loathe the role of Wolfowitz; he who brought and used the key to turn on death, torment, torture, debt, theft, lies, destruction. What an evil man.