I remember hearing Dole say that the great wars - killed over a

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million people - were democrat wars - you guys hear that??

When war really had to be fought, had to be won - who directed it?? Cause it was surely not a republican - in fact, republicans stood against it. But we had FDR. SO we did fight it - many of our people died to fight it - no help - AT ALL - politically from Hoover's party - too.

And I am supposed to believe they (republicans) are competent on national defense. If they were in charge we'd be speaking German right now.

And they think we forget that fact - we don't - the country doesn't forget something that deep - we have a memory about things that changed the world.

I saw that DNC meeting - and Roosevelt (the co-chair) - he looks like his grandfather - seems as smart as him too!

SO it appears to me - we have another Roosevelt leader - and not a second too soon!!

[Lint Head]

1. Also.... We 'supposedly' lost the Vietnam war but we are not

speaking Vietnamese. The domino theory is something that has been promoted by right wing nut jobs for decades.
Saying, if we lose we will speak the enemy's language. We now have and open policy with Vietnam. :dem:

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2. Good point.

Yeah - they are real brave, as long as it is not them getting shot at - and as long as they pick a political war that they can get their kids student deferments in.

I am so so pissed off at their "quasi-rationale" - makes me sick.

My last rant on this - but it is true - FDR's kid Jimmy - fighter pilot. Joe Kennedy - B-24 pilot (SO was Jimmy Stewart by the way) John Kennedy on a PT - Boat - I won't go further, but you see - they (dems) "put their money where their mouth was" - and I see they (republicans) surely did NOT.

[Captain Hilts]

4. No Roosevelt kids were fighter pilots. Jimmy was a Marine with Carlson's Raiders...

Elliot flew photo reconaissance, FDR jr was an XO of a destroyer and John was on an aircraft carrier.

George C. Marshall's stepson was killed early in the war, FDR jr was injured and Harry Hopkins' son was killed.

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5. Damn - I forgot about Elliot!!!

I think about Jimmy - I know he was on Joe Kennedy's wing when he blew up -

Of course you are right.

Great picture.

[Captain Hilts]

8. Yeah. I don't know much about the Joe Kennedy thing.

You can probably help me there.

Elliot was an ass, but he did well - by all standards - as a pilot during the war.

ER really won over Halsey, who was initially pissed off by her visit. He did a 180.

But Dem kids actually fight in wars, unlike Republicans...

I don't like criticizing the Bush Twins for things that aren't their responsibility, but if this war is as important as pres. Bush says it is, well, his team - the Republicans and Congress - aren't acting like it is by putting their butts on the line.

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9. Jimmy was army air corp - the day, the mission joe kennedy

flew his b-24 and blew up over the channel - Jimmy was flying his wing. Watched it happen.

[Gabi Hayes]

10. which one helped overthrow mossadegh?

kermit?

lemme see....

http://www.google.com/search?q=roosevelt+mossadegh&btnG=Search&hl=en&sa=2

yep

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11. You know you have the "wrong" Roosevelt right?

[Gabi Hayes]

16. should I parse?

I said which one, right?

am I right?

did I mention his provenance?

is that what you're talking about, who his dad was?

so you're right about that, and I'm right about it being Kermit that was Wisner's man, right?

http://www.mydamnchannel.com/Harry_Shearer/Music_Videos/935Lies_687.aspx

Kermit "Kim" Roosevelt, eldest son of Kermit Roosevelt, the son of Theodore Roosevelt, was born in Buenos Aires on 16th February, 1916. After completing his university education he joined the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). During the Second World War Roosevelt worked in the Middle East.

After the war Roosevelt taught at Harvard University. In 1950 Frank Wisner recruited Roosevelt into the Office of Policy Coordination (OPC), the espionage and counter-intelligence branch of the Central Intelligence Agency. At this time Wisner began plotting the overthrow of Mohammed Mossadegh in Iran. He had upset the US government by nationalizing Iran's oil industry. Mossadegh also abolished Iran's feudal agriculture sector and replaced with a system of collective farming and government land ownership.

On April 4, 1953, Wisner persuaded Allen W. Dulles to approve $1 million to be used "in any way that would bring about the fall of Mossadegh." Roosevelt was put in charge of what became known as Operation Ajax. According to Donald N. Wilber, who was involved in this CIA plot to remove Mossadegh from power, in early August, 1953, Iranian CIA operatives, pretending to be socialists, threatened Muslim leaders with "savage punishment if they opposed Mossadegh," thereby giving the impression that Mossadegh was cracking down on dissent. This resulted in the religious community turning against Mossadegh.

Iranians took to the streets against Mossadegh. Funded with money from the CIA and MI6, the pro-monarchy forces quickly gained the upper hand. The military now joined the opposition and Mossadegh was arrested on August 19, 1953. President Dwight Eisenhower was delighted with this result and asked Frank Wisner to arrange for Roosevelt to give him a personal briefing on Operation Ajax.

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17. Yeah - basically his blood line -

That he was no kid of Franklin's - not of the blood line - or even close.


Tell you this too - Teddy's kid was deputy commander at Utah Beach on 6/6/44 - credited for starting the advance inland too! You know that!

Teddy was Franklins cousin - The guy you are talking about - pretty distant relation to FDR -

[Gabi Hayes]

21. if I already know that, why are you telling me?

you already knew that, though, didn't you?

my original point had nothing to do with whose son he was, but you already knew that.

my original point was that he was INSTRUMENTAL in overthrowing a legally elected government, but you already knew that

[Captain Hilts]

13. Yes, Kermit Roosevelt. nt

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15. 2nd cousin to TEDDY - born in SOUTH AMERICA

Not Franklin. You know that.

[bbinacan]

3. The idea of the domino theory

was born from the Truman Doctrine.

[HawkerHurricane]

6. When's the last time a Republican President won a war, Bob?

That would be 1898, Spainish American War.

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7. I guess - but it lasted about three months too.

I say Lincoln - you know - when the republicans were the liberals and the democrats were conservative.

[Thothmes]

20. Could consider Gulf I a victory, that would have been Bush I.

[HawkerHurricane]

22. You could...

or you could call it "Phase One" of "The Gulf Wars", in which case it ain't over yet.

[proud2BlibKansan]

12. Bob Dole is a fool

He was my senator for a brazillion years so I know this. :)

[Captain Hilts]

14. Don't you mean 'doddering old' fool? nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Senile doddering ole fool

[DCKit]

19. The Republicans didn't want to enter WWII.

Not only were they the party of the complicit, colluding corporations, some of them were personally profiting by selling goods and services to the Nazis.

Do they really want to keep this debate alive?