Would a conservative be in favor of abortion if they could tell the fetus was "gay"?

[Postman]

n/t

[Snarkoleptic]

1. What if there was a genetic predisposition to being a progressive?

[yellerpup]

2. Conservatives ARE in favor of abortion...

as long as nobody finds out.

[lonestarnot]

44. And as long as it involves war profiteering.

[yellerpup]

50. They'd be for cannibalizing your mother

if it involved war profiteering. :hi:

[lonestarnot]

54. And their mother too!

:hi:

[yellerpup]

57. That's what I meant...

:blush:

[MountainLaurel]

3. You bet your sweet ass they would

Just like they're in favor of abortion as long as the pigmentally challenged are involved.

[ColbertWatcher]

4. They would favor abortion...

...only if it suits them.

So, yes, they would favor abortion if they could tell if the fetus was gay or tending toward liberalism, or thoughtful, or open-minded, or...

[Gman]

5. Their way out of the dilema is

that they believe gay is a choice and not genetic so a child should not be aborted.

Had to think about that for a second.

[Glorfindel]

6. Of course...their daughter would suddenly need a long weekend

in the French Caribbean. Martinique is so NICE this time of year, and little Buffy has been studying so hard.

[Marrah_G]

7. No- because in their minds it is a choice not genetic.

[demigoddess]

8. YES , of course.

why do you doubt it?

[Beregond2]

9. No, because gays can be "cured."

[93ncsu]

10. You are confusing Conservatives and Republicans ...

Republicans have been , for the most part, co-opted by the Christian Evangelical wing of their party. This leads them to support their ridiculous Abortion Amendment, Marriage Protection Amendment and laws against right-to-die.

A true Conservative would say that it is not any of the federal government's business to be involved in any of those areas.

[notesdev]

11. Really depends on which definition you use

You've assumed the 'federalist' definition, which is more on the libertarian side of things than necessarily a conservative position. The traditional conservative position is pro-life with as few allowances as possible; where the evangelicals come in, they demand no allowances at all under any circumstances, with a fanatical fervor.

[93ncsu]

20. I think of modern Conservatives in the Goldwater tradition ...

Goldwater, to me, defined the modern Conservative. Perhaps his views are now viewed as Libertarian, and for the most part I would agree.

Still, to lump Conservatives and Republicans in the same group is not a proper characterization. Republicans are not at all Conservative when it comes to spending, personal choice or a host of other issues.

[notesdev]

49. I agree, a distinction should be made

The GOP isn't 'conservative' in the traditional sense. It is more properly and accurately described as Fascist - it would have the government work for the corporations, and the corporations work for the government.

[Rage for Order]

12. Gee, I wonder how you know the distinction

Like glass, I tell ya :eyes:

[Vickers]

16. "A true Conservative"

I haven't met one of them in about 20 years.

I thought they were extinct.

[93ncsu]

18. Not extinct at all ...

We just do not have a home within a powerful party at the moment. Maybe we never will again, but time will tell.

[Vickers]

19. "We" ???

You got a mouse in your pocket?

[93ncsu]

23. No mouse the last time I checked ...

I am a Conservative, and unashamedly so. I am also a Christian.

I am not a Christian Conservative in the mold of Sean Hannity or others that claim to be Conservative but really want to control people's lives in their own way.

I do not mix my personal religious beliefs with my political beliefs. I do not believe that any true Conservative does.

[Vickers]

27. Did you vote for Idiot Bush?

:shrug:

Because he's about the stupidest fucking cocksucker imaginable.

[93ncsu]

29. Yes I did, but if I had it to do over ...

I would not have in 2004. I probably still would have in 2000.

Like many Americans I often voted based on the "lesser of two evils" philosophy, but I have seen the error in that philosophy and it will no longer be applicable to my voting strategy.

[Vickers]

33. You voted for that dumbass TWICE????

Holy shit, that's about as stupid as converting a gasoline-engined Hummer to diesel.

[93ncsu]

36. LOL

Nice one about the Hummer conversion.

We all make mistakes in life.

The key is to learn from them, grow wiser and not repeat them.

[Vickers]

38. You didn't learn anything from 2000 to 2004?

:shrug:

At the very least you should have been pissed that The Wee Cowboy© couldn't even manage to ride a Segway without busting his ass.

[93ncsu]

41. Like I said, we all make mistakes.

Show me a person who says they are mistake-free and I'll show you a liar.

[Vickers]

42. You voted for Chimpy in 2005..that's called NOT learning from a mistake.

Jesus, that like the goddam gold MEDAL for not learning from mistakes.

I reckon you'll end up voting for that addled old douchebag McGetOffMyLawn, despite even his WIFE not trusting him with money (pre-nup in HER favor, har!).

[93ncsu]

45. I didn't vote for anyone in 2005 that I recall ...

And I will NOT be voting for McCain in 2008.

I'm not sure who my state will have on the ballot for the Presidential race, but I am 100% sure that my vote will not go to any candidate from the Republican or Democrat parties.

[Vickers]

46. Oops, of course I meant 2004. So, you voted for that dumbass fratboy

in 2004.

Wow.

You voted for that stupid fucking anti-American douchebag as recently as 3 years and 7 months ago.

Think about that.

How does that make you feel?

(please say icky, please say icky, please say icky...)

"I am 100% sure that my vote will not go to any candidate from the Republican or Democrat parties."

So, why are you HERE? Are you going to convert us?

:rofl:

Shouldn't you be at www.throwingmyvoteawayunderground.com? :shrug:

[Selatius]

22. If that's the case, many conservatives abandoned the Republican Party a long time ago.

You can perhaps find quite a few of them in the Libertarian Party nowadays. Goldwater Republicans are no longer in positions of power anymore inside the Republican apparatus, and they haven't been for decades.

[93ncsu]

24. Goldwater's foreign policy is much different than the Libertarian Party's

This is where the Libertarian Party and I have a difference as well.

Goldwater was for a much more active foreign policy while Libertarians are much more passive.

This is why I think that Goldwater Republicans, which John McCain is NOT regardless of how many times he says it, are today's Conservatives while today's Republicans are just crap for the most part.

[Selatius]

30. See, that's where I actually agree with the Libertarian Party's stance on foreign policy.

The US government was not established to be world policeman. Washington and Adams would be appalled at the fact that the US has over 700 military outposts in the world today. That's something they would likely compare to the old British Empire.

[galledgoblin]

28. We're the new liberals of the Republican Party. Can you imagine that?

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9901E0DD1139F935A15751C0A960958260
The frail Mr. Goldwater, who is now 87, sat by a fire in his living room and pronounced Mr. Dole the heir to "the Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan legacy of conservatism." He branded Patrick J. Buchanan's message as "fearful and divisive."

Then, in an unscripted moment that Mr. Buchanan might consider using in his own television commercials against Mr. Dole, the two agreed that the party had changed, prompting Mr. Dole to say: "Barry and I -- we've sort of become the liberals."

Mr. Goldwater added with a laugh: "We're the new liberals of the Republican Party. Can you imagine that?"
------------------------------------------

I wouldn't say the old-definition conservative is extinct, but it sure is awfully rare these days.

in many ways it's much easier to fight the modern conservative movement but it's also much less civil and much less preferable.

I may butt heads with Goldwater conservatives, but I usually find enough common ground to get along. not so with a modern "Christian" conservative.

[tom_paine]

13. In a heartbeat. n/t

[Hekate]

14. Sounds like the plot of the 1997 play "The Twilight of the Golds"...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120392/plotsummary

"When Suzanne Stein has a genetic analysis done on her unborn child, she discovers that although she has a healthy baby, the child will most likely be born gay, like her brother, David. She must decide whether to keep the child, or to have an abortion. Her family enters a crisis about love and acceptance as she makes this difficult choice...."

Hekate

[Rex]

15. Wait...somewhere I hear a freepers head exploding....

oops, there goes another!

[The Diest]

17. Im in CO, and freaked. We have another ballot bullshit thing...

the "fertilized eggs are humans" bullshit.

As a biologist, I know it is of course unfounded and BS. As someone who has witnessed the HELL of Colorado Springs and the religious fanatics, it is just plain terrifying.

[LordJFT]

21. There's a facebook group called "May the fetus you save be gay"

[Oeditpus Rex]

25. 'The only moral abortion is my abortion'

http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

[ccharles000]

26. Yes they most likely would.

To all of the conservatives out there this queer says fuck you.

[93ncsu]

32. Who is "this queer" ?

The guy in the picture (who I do not recognize), or the poster ?

Again, you are confusing Christian Republicans with true Conservatives in the Goldwater mold. We do not care of you are gay or straight. We do not care if you want to marry someone of the same gender. That's your business, not mine.

[ccharles000]

34. I was talking about myself.

[93ncsu]

35. Good deal , then.

This Conservative hopes you have a wonderfully fulfilling life and that you one day attain all the rights and privileges afforded to heterosexuals.

[ccharles000]

37. I am sorry I should have used Christian Republicans instead.

[Vickers]

39. Rights that conservatives (sic) have been chipping away at for decades.

:eyes:
Ever hear that *click!* on your telephone? Your tax dollars at work! :patriot:

[93ncsu]

40. I think you meant ...

Rights that "conservatives" have been chipping away at for decades.

In this case "conservatives" equals Christian Republicans or Christian Conservatives.

And I don't disagree with you.

[Vickers]

43. Sleep with the dogs, you get fleas.

Start scratching, babe.

[galledgoblin]

31. publicly? they'd never admit to it

and would denounce such action.

within their own family? they'd slip away for the week and never speak of it.

[TeamsterDem]

47. Shhh. Don't give them any ideas

Next thing you know they'll get behind gene and DNA studies to figure out how to do this.

[orleans]

48. lol--point well taken. n/t

[La Lioness Priyanka]

51. most people are in favor of abortion when it comes to themselves

[RB TexLa]

52. Of course, by favoring government intervention in reproduction they are in favor of

allowing the government to intervene as it sees necessary.

[Freddie Stubbs]

53. Would liberals be opposed to an abortion if the mother could tell that the fetus was "gay?"

In India and China it is common for women to have abortions if the fetus is female. Should that be illegal here?

What about if they could devise a genetic test which would determine the future sexual orientation of the fetus? Should it be illegal to terminate the pregnancy for that reason?

[treestar]

56. That is a tough question

If one is pro-choice, then one should in theory allow the woman to make the choice on any ground. Yet aborting because the fetus is female is so ironic - a woman totally buying her culture's male supremacy to that point is just pathetic to the feminist. But the real place to attack it would be there, rather than trying to make it illegal to gain the abortion for that particular reason.

[treestar]

55. If you asked them that question they would change the subject

As soon as they see contradictions in their beliefs, they run from the subject.

They would reject the science that allowed that conclusion to be made, the same way they reject climate change science. They hold dear the idea the fetus is innocent, and would go on about "you liberals are trying to claim an innocent baby is gay." That would be slandering the poor fetus (in what passes for their minds.) A fetus is innocent and has not had those gay ideas put into its head yet, so once again it is those damn libruls making things up again.