What tribe...

[GTurck]

does a "full-blooded" American belong to? I hear more and more that "real" Americans support this issue, that issue or candidate leaving unsaid that there are "unreal" Americans. Who would they be?
Coming from colonial and possibly Native American stock I thought all my life that the United States is an idea; a philosophy not a tribal entity. Now we have terms like "Full-blooded", "real", and "homeland". I don't like my heritage and the blood of my ancestors so abused. I admire and whole heartedly support the idea and the philosophy but I refuse to belong to a tribe - any tribe. That was thinking in the stone age and we should be grown out of it by now.

:grr:

[KharmaTrain]

1. I Got Asked That Question For A Different Reason...

When I went off to college I met my very first bible-thumpin' funide. He found out I was Jewish and became very friendly...and kept asking me if I knew what "tribe" I belonged to. He was refering to the 12 tribes of Israel and wanted to know if I was his ticket to Armageddon. I think I told him I belonged to the Redbone Tribe...and the Witch Queen of New Orleans. :rofl:

[GTurck]

7. Tribes...

were so common back in the stone and bronze ages but they don't work as a functioning system in any modern sense. They are too narrow and confining. It is this belief in tribalism not nations that is at the root of fascism. I find that question you were asked stupidly self-serving and am glad you responded as you did. Hope you don't think all Christians are that ignorant. Many of us actually have accepted the modern world and its complexities without losing our faith or reason.

:toast:

[KharmaTrain]

12. Part Of Living An Interesting Life

Once I began to understand what he was talking about...I had never heard of Amrageddon...I kinda found it fascinating on my own to find out what it was all about and soon became familiar with how over-the-top some sects of Christianity could become. I had grown up with Catholics and they sure weren't that loony. LOL. It also made me aware of what I call "subtle" anti-semetism vs the more overt I had learned from my grandmother who had endured progroms in Eastern Europe and growing up in the shadow of the Holocoust. It also made me cyincal and skeptical of the exremes in my own faith...Orthodox, Lubovitchers and Likudniks.

I've become very tolerant of faith when it's kept within and outspoken against it when it crosses into the "public square". That's where it becomes an agent of abuse rather and a place of comfort and community.

Cheers...

:toast:

[bean fidhleir]

14. The only "bad" thing about tribes is that they're vulnerable to nation-state crimes against peace

On the other hand, you might be surprised at the advantages a tribal/clan outlook can offer. The chief one is that tribal/clan members are family and entitled to treatment as kinfolk. (It was the mortal wounding of that tradition in Scotland --the chiefs selling out their own clansmen-- that Burns mourned in the bitter "Parcel of Rogues")

[leftofcool]

2. There are many tribes

Ask someone from Rosebud if they belive in "tribes"

[GTurck]

5. Your right...

the Sioux are a tribe and so are the Navaho, Hopi, Cherokee, all Native Americans but this term is being used in reference to Europeans. What tribe would that be?

[SpiralHawk]

3. Whirling Rainbow Nation

You can't kick anyone out, even republicons...That's a fact, Jack.

[StickyIckes]

4. I feel your rage

[blondeatlast]

6. Alas, he spammed poorly... nt

[Indenturedebtor]

8. WASPS

It makes me sick to my stomach to hear people talking like that. It's racism wrapped in the flag.

Like when people ask my wife (half Chinese) "Where are you from.... No really where are you from? No REALLY where are you REALLY FROM?" Because unless you're white or black you couldn't possibly be a red blooded American. :grr:

[magellan]

9. Well, you've kinda asked two different questions here

Speaking for myself, when I refer to "real" Americans I mean citizens of the USA who support the Constitution over their own belief systems -- because to me this country is about protecting people from having their Constitutional rights trampled just because someone decides they're different in a way that's disagreeable to them.

Just for clarification, the GOP is the antithesis of that principle.

Tribe? I'm like 1/32nd Métis (French Canadian/Cree). That's all I know about tribes.

[GTurck]

10. Soo...

you are 31 parts something else and that means no tribe for you. I am about Heinz 57 when all the surnames and countries of origin are factored in but that all goes back to the British Isles and the Norman Conquest if my research is correct, my parents even share some ancestry back that far but that can't even be remotely called incest unless you believe that anyone marrying a distant relation is committing that sin and then we will have a very sticky problem because if we don't marry distant relatives there is no one else to marry.
I have known "real" Americans who are not citizens and met way too many citizens who cannot really be called real Americans because of their ignorance of our history and Constitution. Some are even proud of that ignorance. It is knowing and understanding and trying to live the principles of the Constitution that makes a real American to me.
At this moment you are right about the GOP hierarchy but I hope to God not about everyone who calls themselves that. We don't need any more demonizing of each other because the White House regime and its enablers have done too much of that.

[magellan]

11. I was going to throw in

...that anyone who lives the principles of the Constitution qualifies as American to me, no matter where they're from, but I got caught up in changing "born in the USA" to "citizen" and neglected to elaborate further. My husband is a Brit and I hope one day he'll become a citizen; he's already a fine American.

About those who still call themselves Repubs or could still vote Repub, yes, I do feel that way about them. Their party stands for things I don't admire and don't have patience for anymore. Call me elitist, call me intolerant, whatever you like. I refuse to coddle anyone who puts themselves before this country's founding principles and isn't contrite about it.

[GTurck]

15. Always glad to meet new faces..

and hear new voices.I have two foreign born daughters-in-law and one native born. One of the two is from Fiji and the other from Bosnia; last one from the Army. LOL an Army brat! They are all dolls in their own ways. The influx from so many places has been the best part of the American experiment. We are deeply enriched by all of those cultures and histories.
Whether your hubby becomes a citizen or not he has contributed just by being here.

[Uncle Joe]

13. The tribe of humanity, everybody is related if you go back in time far enough. n/t