A lot of moran right-wingers think society has been going to hell in a handbasket

[raccoon]

since about the 1960’s because of “libruls.”

Some issues/problems that are now out in the open instead of being swept up under the rug are things these right-wingers blame on “libruls”, including, but not limited to:

Homosexuality, rape, especially date rape or acquaintance rape (not some bush-haired, wild-eyed stranger, or a man of another ethnic group), incest, child abuse, spouse abuse, elder abuse, alcoholism, substance abuse including abuse of prescription drugs.

What these morans don’t realize is that these problems have ALWAYS existed. Liberals didn't CAUSE them or create them. It’s just that our society formerly didn’t talk about them. You don’t know if there are creepy-crawlies under a rock unless you turn the rock over.

Another thing these right-wingers don’t like is greater acceptance of ethnic diversity, especially interracial dating and marriage, the handicapped, homosexuals, unwed mothers, etc. These attitudes have IN GENERAL changed a great deal over the past few decades. I guess some people would rather pretend people that don’t fit their world view don’t exist. I think they feel threatened by these groups, as well as some others.

:shrug:

Your thoughts?

[MissMillie]

1. change that threatens the status quo

scares them.

I certainly don't like the higher incidence of rape, incest,child abuse, spousal abuse, elder abuse, etc...

but I wonder how much of it is actually a higher incidence or just a higher level of reporting. Could it be that victims are now empowering themselves to report their abusers?

Hey, it'd be great if everything could look like Leave it to Beaver ( :sarcasm: ) but then again, it didn't even look like that back when there was a Leave it to Beaver. People seem to long for the good ole' days that never were.

[raccoon]

6. I think it's a higher level of reporting. The way rape victims were treated in the past,

who could blame them for not reporting it?

And after that, many girls/women would be considered, in Archie Bunker's phrase, "sperled goods."

[texastoast]

2. You are right--now it is okay to talk about them instead of denying

RWers are so good at denying it is a problem.

Case in point. One of my nieces moved to Alabama and just luuuuuvvvvved it there and encouraged me to move there.

I told her that I didn't think I could deal with the racism (after all, I'd already lived in New Orleans in the 70s and was AMAZED by the tolerance among white people of racist behaviors, far beyond what I had ever seen in Texas--even TEXAS!).

My niece said that racism, "is just not an issue. It is not discussed."

So, being the pot stirrer, I asked, "So what if I wanted to marry a black guy? Would that be okay? Could I circulate in 'good' company? Would I get invited to parties?"

No, of course. After all, at that time (less than 20 years ago), Southern "hospitality" had its boundaries. Still does.

[sinkingfeeling]

3. One of the things that has interested me is that the per capita incidents of rape, incest,

spouse abuse, alcoholism, substance abuse, divorce, etc. is significantly higher in the 'red' states and among the more RW churches than in liberal churches and 'blue' states. I actually researched the numbers a few years ago to respond to a right-wing columnist in our paper.

[Hydra]

7. Ya, they don't like being reminded of that

and Churches HATE when you point out that their divorce rates are higher than those of non-church goers.

IMO, "libruls" are just more moral. The grandstanding of the reds and their supposed values falters in the face of their sexual crimes.

[Hydra]

4. They aren't hard to figure out

I know a few of them. They honestly believe that if we all thought the same, believed in the same god, and submitted to authority, the world would be perfect.

You know, I have to say that I enjoy having them running the show- I can tell them "See, you got everything you wanted- isn't it great! The perfect Utopia you were dreaming of, right"

They quickly follow that up with "Stupid thinking liberal bastard..."

Now, I think they are barking up the wrong tree. They've been convinced that wealth leads to sin, which leaves more for the useless fools at the top. I feel that if everyone had what they needed, most societal problems would disappear(although not completely- many of these conservatives seem to enjoy abusing their kids).

[HockeyMom]

5. Having grown up in the 50s

I can tell you all these happened then too, but nobody talked about it. It went on behind closed doors.

Yes, even in small towns where I spent my summers in Indiana away from "big, bad NYC". lol

[raccoon]

8. I grew up in the '50's--'60's. My father died from alcoholism, and we

didn't even talk about it WITHIN THE FAMILY, for Chrissake, much less to anybody else.

And yes, many people used to (maybe still do) have the idea that "bad things" can't happen to you in a small town.

[Nay]

15. Grew up in the 50's and 60's too, and can tell you all that shit happened

as much or more back then. Get pregnant? You got "disappeared" to a home for unwed mothers until your baby was born and taken from you. And your family never mentioned it. Get raped? Let's see -- if the rapist was the football quarterback,no one would believe you. If you were white and the rapist was black, you turning him in meant he died hanging from a tree, along with a few innocent black men who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. If you were black and the rapist was white, no one believed you.

Husband beats you? Well, there's nowhere to go, and you can't get a decent job, either, esp if you have kids. Your career choices are nurse or teacher. Or hooker.

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

9. The Worst Family Values are in the Right Wing Conservative Towns

I live and work in a "traditional family values town" located in the reddest of red states, Idaho. I have and inside track on what goes on because I'm a psychotherapist and I hear it all. I agree with you.

There is, by far, the most rampant child abuse, incest, spousal abuse, alcoholism, meth and crack addiction, crime and racketeering that I have seen in any progressive state I have ever been in.

From most of what I have heard from other red states and conservative towns, it is the same there.

If you want family values move to California or Oregon or whatever liberal place you can find. If you want corruption and racketeering from the state legislature to the neighborhood five and dime store, to your neighbor's 12 year old kid, move to Idaho.

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

10. I forgot - there is also a church on every corner.

They go there for forgiveness so they don't have to stop screwing up society.

[timtom]

14. Like there's no churches in California and Oregon, right?

Totally out of left field, young'un!

[Help_I_Live_In_Idaho]

17. Praise the lord kid

[timtom]

18. Tee! Hee!

[Taverner]

11. And keep in mind the "Tough on crime" states have the worst crime

Death Penalty States have more murders than non-DP states.

Sounds like its not such a good deterrent

[HockeyMom]

13. My Dad was shocked when he saw

what went on in those small towns. He was born and raised in NYC. I can remember him saying that, "We (in the city) don't have time for all that stuff. We have to spend all our efforts just trying to make enough money to keep ourselves and familes alive from day to day."

[Mike Daniels]

12. Anytime some RW idiot starts saying how much better things were before the 60's

It usually only takes a quick mention of how Emmitt Till, lynchings and segregation took place when prayer was allowed in schools for them to stow it

[Wizard777]

16. Uh, guess who's been carrying that handbasket to hell?

Yup! The right wingers.

[Orsino]

19. Same ol' same ol.

There is nothing new under the sun, and even less new in the conservative platform.