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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:09 PM
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Ahmadinejad says market full of oil, prices artificial
OME (Reuters) - The global market is "full of oil" and rising crude prices are being artificially driven by forces trying to further their geopolitical aims, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Tuesday.

"While the growth of consumption is lower than that of production and the market is full of oil, prices continue to rise and this situation is completely manipulated," Ahmadinejad said in his address to a U.N. food summit in Rome.

Without naming countries, the Iranian leader said "hidden and unhidden hands are at work to control the prices mendaciously to pursue their political and economic aims."

He said the goal of "powerful and international capitalists" was to keep the price of oil and energy "artificially high" in part to justify new explorations in the North Pole and the deep seas.

In an apparent reference to the United States, he said the international community should have a mechanism to force "the bullying powers to resort to peace and amity instead of occupation and warmongering...."

http://www.reuters.com/article/gc08/idUSL0380762720080603
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:12 PM
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1. Well, he's right about that.
He's a nasty guy but I think there are some good reasons why he gets so much more negative press attention than the many other nasty guys out there.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:14 PM
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3. You have a very good point there...
Who runs the media? Who benefits from this? Yep.
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:20 PM
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5. Maybe he is not the nasty guy they have made him out to be
Edited on Wed Jun-04-08 08:21 PM by MartyL
The IAEA found that Iran had no development of Nukes nor would they have for over 10 years, but our president, our media, our Congress(and our presidential candidate) keep pretending that Iran is a threat. WE have already killed over one million innocent Iraqis based on the same lies, and we call him "nasty"?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:23 PM
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7. Another very good point...
I sometimes fall into the trap of cherry picking... there is really no good way to know what is true and what is not in the media... though I think the safer bet is to think in terms of opposites... like with Bush... when he says one thing, you know he will do the opposite!
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:28 PM
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22. Well said
Sometimes I laugh and then I cry.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 11:14 PM
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28. Well he's not American and he
Isn't willing to be American
Plus we need a new war, so of course we must fight him.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:21 PM
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19. Who are you saying runs the media?
Who runs the media, in your view, and how do they benefit from this?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:57 AM
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36. Corporations
Edited on Thu Jun-05-08 11:02 AM by Juniperx
They benefit from their government contacts. Therefore, they will print what their government contacts want printed. Simple.


Much like how Cheney gave a newspaper a story that was totally fabricated, then quoted that story numerous times. We've seen this kind of media manipulation increase exponentially over the past two Bush terms. We've also seen a consolidation of media corporate owners.


Stick around DU a while... this is all common knowledge.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:13 PM
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2. It's really awkward when a creep like him may be telling the truth
I don't doubt this is true; I've suspected as much for a long time. This plays right into the neo-cons hands... their talking point will be all about siding with the enemy.

Jeez.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:20 PM
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18. Yeah, but
28% of Americans still believe the "creep we have as a leader, and that is really scary! :wow:
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:19 PM
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4. He's partly right, which is quite normal for Admadenijad.......
The other half of the equation is that there is too much money chasing too few assets; while the subprime thing created "money," that money is not backed by real assets, and smart money is now chasing a "safe haven." That's the problem with bubbles; there is only air inside, and the adjustment is problematic.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:22 AM
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33. Why does he seem to say things that you'd like to hear in this country.
Just the admission that the prices are artificially inflated is the biggest statement I've seen a world leader make. The crazy thing is it's the people with the most oil. Twould kick ass if this affected pricing any.
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:20 PM
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6. Oh - he could tall me the sun is coming up tomorrow morning -
and I'd double check.

Worthless little piece of Sh*t.

I tell you what - I'll ride a bike before I give him a dime of my "transportation" money.

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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:24 PM
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8. How do you know? Because the neo-con media told you he was..
a wpos?
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:26 PM
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11. Because a liar is always a liar.
I am not Jewish - I am catholic - and my family were at Buchenwald in 1945.

How do I know - How do you not?
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:31 PM
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13. I asked first...
:eyes:
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:45 PM
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15. Ok - if a liar lied to you - how do you know if or not to believe him?
I don't how to be more clear.
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:17 PM
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16. I'm going to tell you a lie
I'm lying.



(Now we can all take a break as the troll's logic circuits self-destruct. :rofl:)
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 11:07 AM
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38. Self-destruct, indeed!
He wasn't long for this world... all gone now:)
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 10:58 AM
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37. You first need to tell me how you know for sure he is a liar...
Since this is your base notion.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 02:02 PM
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43. but the US gov - not a liar. US corps - not at buchenwald.
uh-huh.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:23 PM
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20. You can read his words in the Iranian state-run news media
And draw your opinions about him accordingly.
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:24 PM
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21. Amazing. Iranian state run media is it?
Guess they don't like me.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:31 PM
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23. Your media is run by corporations and lied for Bush
Please identify the difference with a state run media since the so called 'free' press lied us all into a war that has led to the slaughter of over one million Iraqis and over 4,000 Americans. I'll spare you the injuries, physical and mental, that military men and women will carry to their graves. Your so called 'free press' won't even show them to you.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:35 PM
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24. My only claim is that Ahmadinejad's words are available free of Western media spin
If one wants to read his words without a Western filter or bias, one is able to do so.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:23 PM
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40. Iranian spin is so much more reliable?
I think not.
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:27 PM
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41. Iran is not a threat to anyone
The only reason we hear about them is our Corporate media making shit up.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 02:35 PM
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45. I agree... that is beside the point
I don't trust their media any more than I trust ours.
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:26 PM
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47. I agree, but it is only because of our war mongering lying media
that Iran is even in the 'news'.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 02:05 PM
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44. You can read his statements verbatim
They generally publish his comments in their entirity, often without commentary.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 02:37 PM
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46. As I said, I'm in agreement with his statements...
But that will only lead to neo-con blatherings about how "we" put more stock in what an "enemy" has to say than our own government.

After the past almost eight years of idiocy in government, you bet.
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:35 PM
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25. Our free press died years ago -
But we find a way - our truth, we don't find them in the MSM anymore - we find it here - on the internet - in all forms.


There is a lot of bad things I can say - about "sanitized war" being shown on TV and all that -
But I sure don't buy it - and nobody here does either.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:22 PM
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39. Sure, let's trust them too
They all have their own axe to grind.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:29 PM
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42. Go back to drinking your AIPAC kool-aid (n/t)
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:25 PM
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9. The US has a record of labeling leaders with oil as 'nasty guys'
Sadam, Chavez, the Libian dude-

But how come not the Saudi's????- They aren't so very nice either?
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bill for obama Donating Member (215 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:28 PM
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12. The Saudi's may be the worst
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:25 PM
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10. Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Ahmadinejad may be a nasty tyrant, but he is right on the money this time. It's the greed of the oil companies and their bully-boy price gouging that's causing the jackup in prices, in an effort to intimidate Congress into opening up pristine areas to oil drilling. A crass attempt to extort money from taypayers, I say.
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Chulanowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 11:25 PM
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29. Question...
How can a guy who's sole power in government is appointing ambassadors and giving input on economic matters be a tyrant?

Or do you just mean he's like Simon from American Idol when it comes to approving those ambassadors?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 08:36 PM
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14. Proves he is smarter than bu$h
But no one here has ever doubted that.
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 11:35 PM
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30. Smarter than Bush, Congress, our entire media and some DUers
Everyone keeps pretending right with them that these high prices have something to do with shortages.

It has to do with unbridled greed and the Oil Mafia.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 09:19 PM
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17. wow, if he starts telling the truth, we'll really have to bomb them
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:42 PM
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26. Whaddya know. Maddie said something accurate. nt
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AwakeAtLast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-04-08 10:45 PM
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27. And now the bombing starts.....
:yoiks:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:30 PM
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48. Spot on with that statement.
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halliburtonsux Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:05 AM
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31. Ahmadinejad is right. n/t
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halliburtonsux Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:06 AM
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32. K&R!
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:38 AM
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34. George Soros said the same thing
recently. Oil is a speculative bubble created to fill the vacuum of the subprime collapse. Reported by Bloomberg and Huffpost among other sources.

Soros has been a formidable anti-neocon fighter considering how wealthy he is.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 02:21 AM
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35. This was also pretty much the reality of the '70's oil crisis . . .
Carter hit them with a "Windfall profits tax" --- we should do the same ---

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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:38 PM
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50. Kucinich has introduced this
The Oil Companies are making RECORD PROFITS every quarter- you think that might help explain the situation?

But everyone just wants to talk about drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, as if a tiny percentage of the oil the US uses produced ten years from now will make a difference.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 01:34 PM
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49. It wouldn't be the first time the oil market hs been manipulated
by US 'interests'.
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