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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:21 PM
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A tribute to Victoria Woodhull...the first woman presidential candidate in 1872
Victoria Claflin Woodhull (September 23, 1838 – June 9, 1927) was an American suffragist who was publicized in Gilded Age newspapers as a leader of the American woman's suffrage movement in the 19th century. She became a colorful and notorious symbol for women's rights, free love, and labor reforms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Woodhull

I support Hillary and am saddened at her loss. This is not a step back for women, IMO. It's a progression forward considering how close Hillary came to clinching the nomination. This is what I celebrate.

In that spirit I applaud the woman who started it all...Victoria Woodhull.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:25 PM
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1. Do you think it's a step forward? I wonder.
I think back to the Roe v. Wade decision. A huge step forward, but a right that has been systematically dismantled ever since, to the point where it's even getting difficult for young women to get birth control pills and abortion clinics have virtually vanished off the map.

I also got to thinking about the ERA. Is that going to be back on the table? Everyone keeps yapping about the 50-state strategy and all the Democratic governors we've picked up. Do they ever talk about ratifying the ERA?

I'd like to think it's a step forward. But I think what will happen is a big push BACKWARDS.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:40 PM
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3. Good question.
I think we are sliding backwards as a nation. In some ways, this past election looks just like the process that has women earning two-thirds of male salaries and getting passed over for hire or promotion in favor of dramatically less qualified male applicants.

This election MIGHT say positive things about race relations in this nation. At the very least, it has not yet proved a terrible negative. But it might say some bad things, too.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:44 PM
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4. Yes, it does and we had that exact thing happen at our workplace
a woman who was completely qualified for a records position and had many years of experience in the field got passed over for a young guy whose previous job was in a hardware store. I'm sure it's because she was in her fifties.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:05 PM
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6. I've watched my ex-wife get passed over the same way.
Certain jobs--the ones that pay the most--are just "man" jobs, it seems. President is one of those jobs. We aren't past that yet. The old white boy network gave up the white to save the Johnson. Not that the non-white Johnson has the job yet, either.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:58 PM
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5. I don't believe that either of the
presidential candidates are going to be friendly to women and children. Just like Suffrage....black men first and 50 years later the women get their chance....after Frederick Douglas ridicules Susan B.

I believe (I'm not 100% sure) that the ERA was REMOVED in '04 from the Democratic Platform. Neither party today cares about women and their children.

Since the older women are referred to as bitter and angry, the younger women will have to learn to fight for a change....oops, they're backing the black man. Oh well.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:08 PM
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7. Well, I think we can just refer to him as the male candidate
I would prefer to leave race out of the equation.

I did not realize that the ERA had been taken out of the platform. Well, at least it gives me something to work towards. I think we should pressure the DNC to put it back.

The most interesting thing to me about this whole election is that I didn't realize how much of my makeup was buried feminist. I did not understand myself how deeply I wanted a woman president. I think there are others who feel the same.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 02:05 PM
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11. Good luck with the ERA....
All organized religions will battle against you and they have lots and lots of money at their disposal. The ERA brought all religions together....even Muslims and Jews. And Phyllis Schaffly is still living so she'll get all excited.

Sexism is the last 'ism.' Oh well....with this economic calamity approaching, women and children are going to kicked real hard. I thought that HRC wouldn't kick them as hard.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:12 PM
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8. "Women and children first" applies only to life boats and burning
buildings. Well, except for the Triangle Shirtwaist fire and the "upper crust" on the Titanic. But, I digress...

In all other matters, "our" concerns will be addressed when "they" solidify "their" power.

But, hey, I'm just another bitter woman.

/sarcasm

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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:58 PM
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10. Women come first when looking for
land mines...the mules follow. We come first in getting ripped off on wages. We come first in poverty. WE'RE NUMBER ONE!!!
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 02:11 PM
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12. You forgot "making the coffee"!
Said to the tune of "you forgot Poland".

Yeesh, it sounded funnier in my head. *sigh*
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 03:04 PM
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13. Wait a minute....wasn't it
Palau...the country that went to war with the US against Iraq. Or is Poland another funny that I missed....???
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 03:27 PM
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14. :D
Internet meme

In the first debate of the United States Presidential election of 2004, John Kerry accused Bush of failing to gain widespread international support for the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, saying "... when we went in, there were three countries: Great Britain, Australia and the United States. That's not a grand coalition. We can do better." Bush, who had used Poland earlier in the debate as an example of the international presence in Iraq, replied by saying "Well, actually, he forgot Poland."<2> Paraphrased as "You forgot Poland", the term became a popular catch phrase among Bush detractors, seen as a humorously petty rebuttal of Kerry's original point (i.e. that Bush claimed that over 40 nations were supporting the invasion, when the number of nations that had contributed over 1,000 troops was far lower; therefore even if Bush's statement was entirely accurate, four nations with significant troop numbers on the ground as opposed to three was still not "a grand coalition", according to detractors).{original research?} At the time, Poland was fourth in troops sent to the country, behind South Korea, the United Kingdom and the United States.


Copied and pasted from the Wiki page about the origins of that phrase.


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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 06:20 PM
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20. Thanks...W makes so many
mistakes, I had forgotten that one. Yes, the Coalition. And Palau (sp) from Michael Moore's movie, 'Fahrenheit 9/11'...right?

Those debates seem like an eternity away....and only 4 L O N G years of Constitutional and Democratic destruction. I guess I wasn't having much fun.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 01:15 PM
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9. It's a very slow step forward, IMO...
I don't believe women have been set back as a result of Hillary not getting the nomination. I agree about ERA.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 12:26 PM
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2. thank you for some women's history (herstory)


and I surely thank Victoria Woodhull for stepping up
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bean fidhleir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 03:31 PM
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15. I'll tell ya what, gyns. We are NEVER going to get the equality we're due
until we refuse to be doormats. As long as we're willing to keep quiet, make nice, and keep the peace by keeping quiet about injustice --- and it doesn't matter a damn WHAT injustice - they all come from the same place at bottom --- we'll go on being handed the crappy end of the stick.

Our rights and nothing less, their rights and nothing more. Equality is the starting place.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 04:04 PM
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16. I wish I could rec. not just the thread, but each of the responses as well.
all of you have said the kinds of things that I have felt (and written about) during this campaign. have been fighting these battles for many decades now, was hoping thing were getting better. alas.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 04:06 PM
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17. did you read erika falk's book on some of the women who have run?
she was talking about the kind of media coverage, and how it hasnt changed from victoria's day. (I was a little distressed that she gave so little attention to sonia johnson's run, though)

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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 04:42 PM
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18. seneca falls declaration of sentiments

The Declaration of Sentiments

In 1840, Lucretia Mott attended the World Anti-Slavery Convention in London, England. Mott, a Quaker minister, was a strong abolitionist. She and the Hicksite Quakers refused to use materials produced with slave labor, including cotton and cane sugar. She worked as a teacher and at her school, met her husband, James Mott. Together, the Motts sheltered runaway slaves and traveled so that Lucretia could make abolition speeches. The couple was selected to serve as delegates to the Convention because of their activities. But at the Convention, Lucretia, along with all the other female delegates, was not allowed to fully participate and was asked to leave.

At the Convention, Mott met Elizabeth Cady Stanton, whose husband Henry was also a delegate. After the refusal to seat Mott and all other female delegates, the pair discussed the need to hold a convention to discuss the rights of women.

Stanton was also a staunch abolitionist, but she placed her family above her abolitionist activities. She raised seven children. She later wrote speeches for Susan B. Anthony, who gained more noteriety in the movement because of her more public persona. Stanton was born into a wealthy New York family, and to please her parents, tried to duplicate the academic successes of her brothers. She had to convince her father to allow her to attend college, where she studied philosophy and logic. She also studied her father and, as a judge, his cases. She saw through his work how women suffered discrimination at the hands of the law.

With these two women as the driving force behind a convention to address the plight of women in 19th century society, the Seneca Falls Convention met. It took eight years after the slavery convention, during which time Stanton composed the Declaration of Sentiments. In July 1848, over 300 men and women met in Seneca Falls, New York for the First Womens' Rights Convention. There, the Declaration was debated and refined. The public release of the Declaration of Sentiments triggered dialog among many women also interested in equal rights and womens' suffrage. The Declaration was also met with strong criticism and anger. The Declaration is one of the roots of the suffrage movement that ultimately resulted the 19th Amendment being added to the Constitution.

* Sentiments
* Resolutions

When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one portion of the family of man to assume among the people of the earth a position different from that which they have hitherto occupied, but one to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes that impel them to such a course.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men and women are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of those who suffer from it to refuse allegiance to it, and to insist upon the institution of a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience has shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they were accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their duty to throw off such government and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of the women under this government, and such is now the necessity which constrains them to demand the equal station to which they are entitled.

The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has never permitted her to exercise her inalienable right to the elective franchise.

He has compelled her to submit to law in the formation of which she had no voice.

He has withheld from her rights which are given to the most ignorant and degraded men, both natives and foreigners.

Having deprived her of this first right as a citizen, the elective franchise, thereby leaving her without representation in the halls of legislation, he has oppressed her on all sides.

He has made her, if married, in the eye of the law, civilly dead.

He has taken from her all right in property, even to the wages she earns.

He has made her morally, an irresponsible being, as she can commit many crimes with impunity, provided they be done in the presence of her husband. In the covenant of marriage, she is compelled to promise obedience to her husband, he becoming, to all intents and purposes, her master — the law giving him power to deprive her of her liberty and to administer chastisement.

He has so framed the laws of divorce, as to what shall be the proper causes and, in case of separation, to whom the guardianship of the children shall be given, as to be wholly regardless of the happiness of the women — the law, in all cases, going upon a false supposition of the supremacy of man and giving all power into his hands.

After depriving her of all rights as a married woman, if single and the owner of property, he has taxed her to support a government which recognizes her only when her property can be made profitable to it.

He has monopolized nearly all the profitable employments, and from those she is permitted to follow, she receives but a scanty remuneration. He closes against her all the avenues to wealth and distinction which he considers most honorable to himself. As a teacher of theology, medicine, or law, she is not known.

He has denied her the facilities for obtaining a thorough education, all colleges being closed against her.

He allows her in church, as well as state, but a subordinate position, claiming apostolic authority for her exclusion from the ministry, and, with some exceptions, from any public participation in the affairs of the church.

He has created a false public sentiment by giving to the world a different code of morals for men and women, by which moral delinquencies which exclude women from society are not only tolerated but deemed of little account in man.

He has usurped the prerogative of Jehovah himself, claiming it as his right to assign for her a sphere of action, when that belongs to her conscience and to her God.

He has endeavored, in every way that he could, to destroy her confidence in her own powers, to lessen her self-respect, and to make her willing to lead a dependent and abject life.

Now, in view of this entire disfranchisement of one-half the people of this country, their social and religious degradation, in view of the unjust laws above mentioned, and because women do feel themselves aggrieved, oppressed, and fraudulently deprived of their most sacred rights, we insist that they have immediate admission to all the rights and privileges which belong to them as citizens of the United States.

In entering upon the great work before us, we anticipate no small amount of misconception, misrepresentation, and ridicule; but we shall use every instrumentality within our power to effect our object. We shall employ agents, circulate tracts, petition the state and national legislatures, and endeavor to enlist the pulpit and the press in our behalf. We hope this Convention will be followed by a series of conventions embracing every part of the country.

Resolutions

Whereas, the great precept of nature is conceded to be that "man shall pursue his own true and substantial happiness." Blackstone in his Commentaries remarks that this law of nature, being coeval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is, of course, superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries and at all times; no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this, and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their validity, and all their authority, mediately and immediately, from this original; therefore,

Resolved, That such laws as conflict, in any way, with the true and substantial happiness of woman, are contrary to the great precept of nature and of no validity, for this is "superior in obligation to any other."

Resolved, that all laws which prevent woman from occupying such a station in society as her conscience shall dictate, or which place her in a position inferior to that of man, are contrary to the great precept of nature and therefore of no force or authority.

Resolved, that woman is man's equal, was intended to be so by the Creator, and the highest good of the race demands that she should be recognized as such.

Resolved, that the women of this country ought to be enlightened in regard to the laws under which they live, that they may no longer publish their degradation by declaring themselves satisfied with their present position, nor their ignorance, by asserting that they have all the rights they want.

Resolved, that inasmuch as man, while claiming for himself intellectual superiority, does accord to woman moral superiority, it is preeminently his duty to encourage her to speak and teach, as she has an opportunity, in all religious assemblies.

Resolved, that the same amount of virtue, delicacy, and refinement of behavior that is required of woman in the social state also be required of man, and the same transgressions should be visited with equal severity on both man and woman.

Resolved, that the objection of indelicacy and impropriety, which is so often brought against woman when she addresses a public audience, comes with a very ill grace from those who encourage, by their attendance, her appearance on the stage, in the concert, or in feats of the circus.

Resolved, that woman has too long rested satisfied in the circumscribed limits which corrupt customs and a perverted application of the Scriptures have marked out for her, and that it is time she should move in the enlarged sphere which her great Creator has assigned her.

Resolved, that it is the duty of the women of this country to secure to themselves their sacred right to the elective franchise.

Resolved, that the equality of human rights results necessarily from the fact of the identity of the race in capabilities and responsibilities.

Resolved, that the speedy success of our cause depends upon the zealous and untiring efforts of both men and women for the overthrow of the monopoly of the pulpit, and for the securing to woman an equal participation with men in the various trades, professions, and commerce.

Resolved, therefore, that, being invested by the Creator with the same capabilities and same consciousness of responsibility for their exercise, it is demonstrably the right and duty of woman, equally with man, to promote every righteous cause by every righteous means; and especially in regard to the great subjects of morals and religion, it is self-evidently her right to participate with her brother in teaching them, both in private and in public, by writing and by speaking, by any instrumentalities proper to be used, and in any assemblies proper to be held; and this being a self-evident truth growing out of the divinely implanted principles of human nature, any custom or authority adverse to it, whether modern or wearing the hoary sanction of antiquity, is to be regarded as a self-evident falsehood, and at war with mankind.

URL: http://www.usconstitution.net/sentiments.html
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 12:07 PM
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21. and men tell us they love us


thank you for this
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-05-08 05:47 PM
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19. I wish the national women's party was still a viable option
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