CLOSING IN...It Looks Like A Conspiracy

[kpete]

June 5, 2008
Guest: dday

CLOSING IN... Karl Rove has been extremely slippery with what he was able to get away with while in service at the White House, but over the past couple weeks events have probably made him gulp and pull the collar away from his neck a couple times. Same with his former bosses.

First you have Scott McClellan basically admitting that Bush and Cheney gave the go-ahead to Scooter Libby to selectively leak contents of the 2002 Iraq NIE, and in the process the identity of Valerie Plame. Henry Waxman, upon hearing this, immediately set to work.

New revelations by former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan raise additional questions about the actions of the President and the Vice President. Mr. McClellan has stated that "the President and Vice President directed me to go out there and exonerate Scooter Libby." He has also asserted that "the top White House officials who knew the truth - including Rove, Libby, and possibly Vice President Cheney - allowed me, even encouraged me, to repeat a lie." It would be a major breach of trust if the Vice President personally directed Mr. McClellan to mislead the public <...>

In his interview with the FBI, Mr. Libby stated that it was "possible" that Vice President Cheney instructed him to disseminate information about Ambassador Wilson's wife to the press. This is a significant revelation and, if true, a serious matter. It cannot be responsibly investigated without access to the Vice President's FBI interview.

The interviews with senior White House officials also raise other questions about the involvement of the Vice President. It appears from the interview reports that Vice President Cheney personally may have been the source of the information that Ms. Wilson worked for the CIA. Mr. Libby specifically identified the Vice President as the source of his information about Ms. Wilson. None of the other White House officials could remember how they learned this information <...>

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Well sure, when you line it all up like that, it looks like a conspiracy.

What's more, Marcy Wheeler thinks Patrick Fitzgerald, who prosecuted the Plame case, might be ready to talk about allegations about his potential firing that came out during the investigation into the US Attorneys scandal.

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This leads back to Rove - the Siegelman case, the politicization of US Attorney positions, firing prosecutors who wouldn't play ball, leaking classified information in the Plame case. Rove is a slippery creature. But there are a lot of investigations all happening at once.

more at:
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_06/013859.php

[elizfeelinggreat]

1. k & r

Something's going to stick.

[glowing]

2. KICK.. YEAH.... WOO HOO.. LADY JUSTICE MAY SHINE AGAIN...

[Hydra]

3. The evidence is there

If Pelosi and Reid could ever get around to bbq'ing Bushco. According to them and other senators, they have better things to do, however.

[Andy823]

55. With all

The "illegal" wiretapping going on since Bush took office, I wonder if they have some stuff on members of congress that they are using to keep the impeachment thing from ever happening? :shrug:

[speedoo]

4. K&R. Off to the greatest page you go.. nt.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

5. Rove. I'll cry for him like he ever would for me.

He'll die before going to prison. His death will lead to the hell he created,...for people like me.

He'll join those he most admired. The "inflated" man will,...go away,...thankfully.

[eleny]

6. Where there's fire, there's fire!

[Prefer]

7. The outing of Plame should be more appropriately called

The sabotage of undercover efforts to maintain intelligence on Iran's nuclear weapon aspirations. The same group that destroyed that intelligence operation with one arm is now using that fact in their push to attack Iran.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

8. K&R

:kick:

[RC]

11. And there is your link!

[HowHasItComeToThis]

13. BINGO FOR YOU

[Kaleko]

20. Yep. The destruction of the Iran desk in order to hoodwink us into another war.

[Nothing Without Hope]

22. Exactly!!! Their power is ultimately based on lies, so the truth must be suppressed

I agree - this is at least part of what is at the bottom of this treasonous conspiracy. They planned to lie about Iraq and and Iran, and possibly about their buddies in Pakistan and Turkey, so any source of facts was dangerous to them. And they STILL want to invade Iran.

[The Blue Flower]

33. That's excellent

Thank you for phrasing it as what it really is. I don't think anyone else has done that yet.

[burythehatchet]

35. Look back a couple of years.

This was a major point of discussion on DU. H2Oman wrote the Waterman Papers which should be on his journal.

[Brotherjohn]

36. That's too wordy. I'd say "TREASON". nt

[rhett o rick]

43. I bow to your post. I hadn't read it before I wrote mine. I'd say that brilliant

minds think alike, but that might insult you, so nevermind.

[rhett o rick]

42. Sorry that isn't very catchy. I think it should be called "TREASON", possibly with expletives in

the front. Just me.

[eppur_se_muova]

52. Yes, sabotage of US intelligence. The word 'sabotage' needs frequent airing.

'Treason' has been so overused by the wingnuts it has lost some of its punch. The WWII generation in particular will have a certain reaction to the phrase 'sabotage during wartime' at a gut level.

If Congress had actually declared war, many would have seen Cheney/Rove/Libby's action as a treasonable offense, meriting a firing squad. Not that that should be ruled out now.

[annabanana]

54. Yessir, Prefer...

You have hit the nail on the head!

[applegrove]

9. It isn't a conspiracy by law because they were all supposed to be working

together. They weren't hiding that fact.

[file83]

12. But if they are all conspiring to commit a crime and keep it a secret, that's a

conspiracy. Whether they work together or not is irrelevant.

[defendandprotect]

16. ...and founders encourage IMPEACHMENT -- they mentioned "conspiracy" by Pres/VP . . .

[applegrove]

23. That's true.

[hootinholler]

28. Hiding that one is working together is not an element of criminal conspriacy

Working together to commit a crime is. They did, they are.

-Hoot

[applegrove]

34. What I meant was that Democrats are always accused of conspiracy theories.

And these people and the neocon all work together so it isn't a conspiracy in the derogatory terminology. Whether it is a criminal conspiracy - working together to commit a crime - well we will hopefully find that out some day.

[yodermon]

10. Bush can pardon Rove. Bush can pardon Cheney.

Bush can pardon every fucking body. Even impeachment, should the Dems grow a spine and go for it, won't prevent Bush & Darth from doing a resignation/pardon two-step.

Having said that -- holding turdblossom in inherent contempt would be quite a pleasing sight.

[ogsbee]

56. Impeach Bush and Cheney immediately!!!

How could they then pardon anybody?

[Swamp Rat]

14. chumP

[Rex]

15. Waxman is just giving them all the rope they want to hang with.

It is not a conspiracy, it is pretty obvious by now to most Americans.

[Name removed]

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[Eurobabe]

18. Karma's a beo-yatch.

See ya KKKarl.

[lovuian]

19. Its pretty obvious they have been running amok

and Justice is coming

[L. Coyote]

21. What to call ths conspiracy? The "Overthrow of Democracy" Conspiracy? or just "Treason"?

Subverting democracy is treason, plain and simple!

[hootinholler]

47. Not Treason, Sedition. n/t

[Echo In Light]

24. K&R

[bdamomma]

25. we need to get these SOB's before they do this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3394053

[Ganja Ninja]

26. Don't close in too quickly.

Wait until Bush loses his pardon power.

[specimenfred1984]

27. Obviously calling Hillary a 2-yr-old is much more interesting

Who cares about holding the most corrupt admin in history accountable for anything, let's smear democrats! Weeeeee, 500 recs for repeating propaganda!

[wiggs]

29. What happened to hearings about clear violations of Hatch Act...the one that

prohibits political meetings with regulatory agencies? This seems to have real teeth and potential. Anyone know? This must be added to kpete list.

[MannyGoldstein]

30. Pardons, Pardons, Pardons

It would be nice to get the truth of the matter - but they're all getting pardons anyway.

Only Bush himself will not get a pardon (he can't pardon himself).

[ejbr]

31. Rove, a slippery creature? Really?

I was under the impression that Democrats were acting like pathetic, spineless pushovers. Imagine if Dems responded to the outrages in this white house as the holier-than-thous did with Clinton's blowjob? Rove's balls should have been in a sling ages ago. Dems should have been in front of the camera every fucking day screaming about these assholes for years.

[defendandprotect]

32. Push/Rec

[Juan_de_la_Dem]

37. I'd like to think that Senior Dems are holding back purposely

so that convictions cannot be pardoned

[greiner3]

38. I'd be happy to settle for;

Having rove so off center that he would be a hindrance to this year's election and in January start the trials.

[byronius]

39. Kpete -- in case no one has said so today -- I love you.

Please post forever.

[Autonomy]

40. I apologize, but every time someone mentions Valerie Plame

I can't help but be distracted by how hot she is. Am I a victim of modern mass media, or millions of years of natural selection. Perhaps both.

[byronius]

53. Uh, I don't know what you mean.

No, I would never ever think such things about her, even if she is super-hot, although, ahem, that makes no difference whatsoever, I mean...

I resemble that inference.

[rhett o rick]

41. Lots of investigations but yet no convictions except poor Scooter. nm

[greenman3610]

44. Waxman for FBI boss

Edwards for AG

[Jefferson23]

45. If possible I would like to see the Dems. drag this out until Bush is finished in Jan

No possibility of a pardon then..Rove truly needs to be tried, and who actually doubts a conviction here. He is a traitor to the American people, and since Pelosi took impeachment off the table regarding Bush, what would it matter at this point to drag this on until next January. I hate the idea of Rove being pardoned and gloating while on the job at Fox News.

[liberal N proud]

46. I will not celebrate...

Until Rove, bu$h, cheney, Rice and Rumsfeld are all in Jail.

[windoe]

48. Conspiracy is a nice name for it, this is organized crime. n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

49. why didn't Patrick Fitzgerald pursue Rove, Bush, Cheney in the first place?

why wasn't Scotty's evidence used?

[jgraz]

50. The fix was in on that from the beginning.

[DailyGrind51]

51. Rove and Dennis Hastert conspired to fire Patrick Fitzgerald.

John Kass, columnist for "The Chicago Tribune", reported some interesting revelations from the Rezco trial which could prove damaging to the GOP:

"It's like a Bridge to Nowhere without the ironworkers.

The White House Rasputin, Karl "The Architect" Rove, also was mentioned in the trial, as was former House Speaker Dennis "Don't Ask Me About My Land Deal" Hastert, alleged to have been part of an effort by the bipartisan Illinois Combine to get rid of Fitzgerald. To demonstrate their kinship, Cellini and Rezko flew out to Washington on a play date and visited a White House reception with President Bush, where Kjellander joined them.

Later in the Rezko trial, two witnesses said that Rezko told them not to worry about the criminal investigation, because the Republicans—Rove and Kjellander—would get rid of Fitzgerald. Hastert would install a friendly federal puppy who wouldn't bother the Combine, according to the testimony. "The federal prosecutor will no longer be the same federal prosecutor," testified Elie Maloof, a Rezko associate who is now a cooperating witness."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-kass-06jun05,0,3215974.column

[seemslikeadream]

57. I can't believe we are discussing the same topic

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=207795&mesg_id=207795


and then there's this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=3394053

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x207755