tekisui
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:12 PM
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Does the Patriot Kucinich Have a Wink From the Nominee? |
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God, I hope so.
I think Obama should support Kucinich publicly on this. The time is always right for exposing the War Criminals and getting Accountability.
Obama can support it for a while from the Senate, and should have more pull, now, before it makes it there.
IF, Impeachment did make it through the House, than it wouldn't be a political gamble to Impeach.
IMPEACH '08!!!!
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:13 PM
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1. don't hold your breath |
tekisui
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:14 PM
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2. This is my biggest criticism of Obama. |
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We have to prosecute the War Criminals. Period.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:17 PM
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5. Wait -- he has said he WILL investigate the crimes of Bushco ... |
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I think he came out far more strongly in favor of this than HRC (probably because she wouldn't want to set precedent about going after what Bill may have done). On investigating the Bush Crime Family, I think we have nominated the RIGHT candidate.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:21 PM
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7. Obama isn't interested in a show. Step 1 is about GETTING power. |
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Step 2 is about USING it.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:24 PM
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11. Right, but what Dennis is doing is giving him the AMMO for that fight |
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If it's in the record, he can refer to it ... otherwise, the way these bastards are going, the truth will go down the "memory hole."
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:26 PM
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14. I agree, what Dennis is doing is phenomenal.... |
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Edited on Mon Jun-09-08 10:26 PM by virtualobserver
but if Obama joined in on this, it would dominate the rest of the campaign and would interfere with Obama's chances of winning.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:33 PM
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17. I agree ... however, I think the OP was correct that perhaps Obama isn't against it |
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He isn't going to join in but -- like yet another VP candidate -- he'll let Dennis do the "dirty work" for him.
And I'm not saying that I expect Obama to pick Dennis, just that Kucinich can perform a similar function in the House, by doing the heavy lifting and paving the way for Obama once he has the power to do something about this.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:45 PM
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21. I certain that he likes having the truth told about Bush..... |
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it would be nice if the news media would cover the substance of what Kucinich says tonight, but I believe that they will just try to make light of it.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:39 PM
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Mon Jun-09-08 11:07 PM
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26. The Bush administration is full of clever politicians |
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who have mastered the art of expanding their power while escaping liability while in office. Best epitomized by Congress issuing a subpoena for Cheney's records and Cheney claimed that he wasn't part of the Executive Branch since he was President of the Senate. They're masters at creating a war of attrition that will last just long enough to prevent them from being ousted before their time is over with.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:14 PM
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Change you can support and get behind but not what you really want or need.
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tekisui
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:16 PM
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4. Kucinich has been a lone brave wolf on this one. |
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Wexler is there, too, but not many others. Even Conyers speaks out of both sides when it come to accountability.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:18 PM
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6. While we're hoping for things that won't happen, I'd like a pony. A pink one that flies |
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and farts rainbows. :rofl:
Y'all (general you, I have no clue how you personally voted) wanted a wishy-washy centrist, and you're gonna get what you voted for.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:21 PM
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8. DK was my first choice. |
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When it got to me I had to choose between to centrists.
I chose the one who at least said they would have their AG look into all of chimpys signing statements, and scratch the Unconstitutional ones.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:25 PM
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13. I would think they're ALL unconstitutional |
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since they are essentially line item vetoes, which were struck down by the USSC.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:31 PM
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16. I went ahead and voted for him anyhow, |
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but I'm pretty well known for being stubborn. :D
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tekisui
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:34 PM
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18. That's the only way to be! |
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Mon Jun-09-08 11:11 PM
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And he also voted against the war the first time! No need to look much further.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:23 PM
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10. farting rainbows, how cute |
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I'd still like to see Dennis as Attorney General...he would scare the living bezeesus out of all those former republicans. (I'm sure they'd just move to Dubai or Paraguay) to escape the law.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:22 PM
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9. It might be hard to get a conviction in the Senate with |
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it being Republican-weighted. I think Biden would love to vote to convict, if it ever makes it there.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:24 PM
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12. Obama shoudn't concern himself with impeachment, not until he's elected prez... |
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:31 PM
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15. Supporting impeachment of a lame duck President doesn't get him elected in November |
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Yes, I know, I know, if we don't impeach him it sets a precedent for future Presidents that they can abuse their power and get away with it. The problem is that politicians aren't concerned about the future, they're concerned about November.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:38 PM
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19. As much as Bush deserves it |
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impeachment would do nothing to help Obama get elected and do nothing to help the economy. Most Americans would look at it as payback. Politically it's a bad idea.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:47 PM
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22. Which means the Constitution is just a piece of paper. |
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:53 PM
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25. Presidents have been treating the constitution as a piece of paper since John Adams |
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You may have heard of the Alien and Sedition Acts. Bush isn't the first President to abuse his power and get away with it and he certainly won't be the last.
Frankly I don't know what you do about it but trying to get conviction in a Senate with 49 Republicans won't work.
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:48 PM
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23. I think Obama should lay low on this until AFTER the election.... |
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As much as I'd like to see something happen, especially a murder conviction of Bush et all, it wouldn't be wise for Obama to speak out on this now.... just would be really bad for PR and would chase the reformed rethugs away.... sadly.... but they'd run far away. Can't have that!
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Mon Jun-09-08 10:52 PM
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24. That appears the consensus, yet I wonder |
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if Obama gave Kucinich a go ahead to get started. He did wait until after the Nomination was clinched, maybe to prevent it from being used as a Primary issue.
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Mon Jun-09-08 11:19 PM
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28. I wouldn't doubt they've been in consultation at all. |
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After all, they're both rated the most liberal in both houses. ;)
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Mon Jun-09-08 11:20 PM
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29. Kucinich deserves the Medal of Freedom!! |
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