For Fuck's Sake! Jews are more than One Issue Voters!

[MadBadger]

I'm Jewish and Im sick and tired of being treated like voters who care about Israel and that is it. You know, all I hear is how the Republicans are Great for Israel. If this is so, than why do Jews always end up voting for Democrats 75-25? Stop treating us Jews like we are idiots who dont care about what actually goes on in this country, because we do (Speaking to the media here).

[saltpoint]

1. The media deserves a great deal of blame, and you are right to

lay it at their feet.

Excellent point, and widely applicable.

Recommended.

[Name removed]

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[fla nocount]

13. The OP said Jews, not Israelis, not AIPAC bootlickers.

Most of the worlds Jewish population doesn't support the actions of the Israeli government just as most Americans don't support the action of theirs, the world in general views both with distaste.

You're going to have fun here.........I can tell.

[KudosMan]

14. you can bet

on it. ;)

Whats the difference? AIPAC gave Barry a standing ovation for threatening Israel. All those ADL/JDL are AIPAC supported groups.
Am I not getting something here??

Educate me.

[jakem]

19. hi newbie-

i don't usually post "hi newbie" posts, but a few thoughts for you-

- coming in with guns-a-blazin' when the OP was completely reasonable = tacky
- a little basic research goes a long way (bonds, you could easily find out before posting the question elsewhere, are available from the US government!)
-questioning anyone's "genuine American" status in here (except perhaps a republican- and even with that, i jest) , and accusing other's of dying for 'their sake'NOT ok.

[KudosMan]

22. Hello 'Elder God'

#guns-a-blazing...

Honestly,I am sick and tiered of this stranglehold.

#Basic research: TV news? CNN archives?..

#Genuine American: I am talking about those who aren't, and only pretend. DUAL CITIZENs, almost all fall in this category(you can find it with your 'basic research'). Now imagine fate of a country whose politics is dominated by Dual Citizens. I am not against Jews,but against Israel pulling US on their every prob.

AND

Are you questioning the AUTHENTICITY of this document??
You replied to my comment by avoiding its content!! and solely in my intent(i am not sure how you interpreted that with your basic...)

LASTLY, half of those who say "¦ ÛşŭΔΓґү Ðóηζ Ъθśţ" are the only ones doing, mind it.

[jakem]

23. good luck dude.

i hope you get your gibberish straightened out.

[Name removed]

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[jakem]

26. lol.

"Rhetorics??"

um... yeah. "The art of speaking or writing effectively." You might want to look into it.

[KudosMan]

29. olo

got amazon?

[leftynyc]

30. I'm so hoping you're falling down drunk

Otherwise you're just too much of a clown to believe.

[KudosMan]

32. sadly, none of them are correct

May I know why you said so?
Am I falsifying something?

But the irony is, we(and you as well) are cowards.
Like everyone else. Damn bunch of cowards.Hopeless.
Close it right here.
Thanks.

[blondeatlast]

33. Come back when you finish school...

Elementary, that is.

Bye now.

[KudosMan]

41. good suggestion

Don't forget to criticize the Iran and Pakistan Wars when they happen. Its easy, and SAFE.It may work, too.

Schools?? Really, is it going to change me?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2007/10/24/notes102407.DTL


PS: They won't hit you unless you act.

[uppityperson]

51. "I Usually don't boast". huh. Tata Ts'd troll.

"¦ ÛşŭΔΓґү Ðóηζ Ъθśţ"

[Indenturedebtor]

53. You don't actually know any Jews do you?

Hi let me introduce myself. My name is Dan. I'm not a dual citizen. I'm an American who cares about America first. I also care about Israel, which means that I would like to see lasting peace in the Middle East. I know about 200 Jews well enough to know that only 1 of them is a dual citizen. He is also a Republican, and is saving up money to move to Israel for good.

I vote based on issues for America. Does that make me a "Genuine American" or do I have to be a WASP for that? When England got attacked during WWII was it only "Genuine Americans" who wanted to stay out of the war? Not trying to pass judgement on any of our military actions, just trying to understand how your brain works.

Saying that "I am not against Jews", and then lumping us all into a monolith, calling us all liars, and unpatriotic... well that's just pretty funny my friend. "I'm not against women I just think that they're all stupid and need to be beaten daily to remind them who the better gender is." :eyes: Ok. I would love to know what you're holding back because you realise that this is a Liberal forum... but then again I think I can guess. a

I didn't see your document. I can assume it was from a hate site? Please repost if it's not. I think they deleted it because it was accompanied by gibberish (which I sadly missed out on).

[nadinbrzezinski]

61. This should be fun, so exactly how many seconds IN UNIFORM

have YOU served?

Nough said

[saltpoint]

28. Have some iced tea in a tall glass and chill out a bit.

You missed the red side of a green barn.

[cali]

31. How fucking dare you tell the OP that we are losing citizens because

of him, because he's jewish? Your comment is filthy and sick.

[Dorian Gray]

34. Wow...

So people of Jewish backgrounds aren't citizens? We are "loosing" (sic) our citizenry because of Americans of Jewish descent who are no less American than anybody else? Most people that I know who have Jewish background aren't dual citizens and consider American interests as the only interests that matter when it comes to voting for President.



This is ridiculous.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. We aren't?

You are right/ That said, I do know a couple idiots who ARE single issue voters... and they DO VOTE republican....

I'm not in talking terms any longer...

[MadBadger]

4. If we were one issue voters, there would be a lot more Republicans.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Actually they may have a point... we are one issue voters and historically we have beein

only if you consider the many issues of social justice a single issue

No wonder many of us vote Dem.

:-)

[KudosMan]

20. Gloves ?!!

.

[fla nocount]

49. Last post? Did we lose it after just 26 posts. Rookies...

if we had kept it engaged until the 700 club it might have been saved.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. Yeah, it's not like y'all care about domestic issues or anything

It's All Israel All The Time! :sarcasm:

[stlsaxman]

27. ...and where the hell were Jews during the Civil Rights Movemen- !?!?!??

oh, yeah- right on the front lines...

It is in the interest of the Right to have us believe Jews are single issue voter.

We can't let them get away with this shit.

[jgraz]

5. Like any "group", the one-issue voters get all the attention

Anyone who's loud and intractable will get much more airtime than the overwhelming majority of people who are reasonable. Why do you think so many people are convinced that Hillary Clinton's supporters are insane?

[rusty quoin]

I will kick this with hopes it reaches the media. n/t

[oberliner]

6. Only one Democrat has ever gotten less than 60 percent of the Jewish vote for President

Over the last 80 years.

Clinton, Gore, and Kerry all got 80 percent or close to it.

[TheWraith]

8. "why do Jews always end up voting for Democrats 75-25"

My first reaction, speaking as a complete outsider, was this: Because Jews, like black folks, remember who's been on the other end of the gun and the club every time they've been abused or discriminated against for the last few hundred years. And it wasn't bleeding-heart liberals.

[Mind_your_head]

9. Locking

:P

[bluestateguy]

11. Indeed

And Cuban-Americans care about other issues than just Castro.

[Monk06]

12. The irony is that Zionism was a left wing secular Jewish movement

whose center was New York between the mid
thirties and late forties.

Now it is dominated by Neo-Zionist ultra orthodox
New Yorkers who moved to Israel like Meir Kahane.

That in the immediate post war period orthodox
New Yorkers considered Zionists to be apostate and
heretics seems to have been lost in the muddle of
ME politics since the six day war.

My reading of history anyway. I stand corrected if I'm
wrong.

[rucky]

15. As a Jew, myself, I've got plenty of issues.

that didn't come out right.

[Dorian Gray]

35. But it was funny....

especially with Comic Book Guys commentary! ;)

[ProfessorGAC]

36. Good One, rucky!

That was a nice comedic relief post!
The Professor

[asthmaticeog]

38. Let's not make this about our moms, though.

[rebel with a cause]

54. ..............

:rofl: Growing up a WASP (don't ever call me that if you know what's good for you) so do I.

[Clark2008]

16. My husband's Jewish and he doesn't give a flip about Israel.

He's visited there and found it appalling what they do to the Palestinians in the name of religion. He's, quite obviously, not anti-Jewish, nor is he a self-loathing Jew. He is just anti-imperialistic.

On the other hand, he does care about the middle class in America, good jobs, affordable and renewable energy, a woman's right to choose, affordable health care for everyone, making this world better for our children and being able to afford the mortgage, food, groceries and all the other ancillaries one needs in order to survive comfortably in this country.

[MadBadger]

60. I dont care all that much about Israel either.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. Hell yeah!!!

[BrklynLib at work]

18. I must admit that I am more concerned about what is happening in the US than in Israel.

I think this Jewish vote/Israel issue that the media likes to bring up is another one of the RW talking points. It would appear that most of those who are Jewish and seem to care more for Israel and the US are members of the Republican Party.
There are many, many important issues that concern me much more than Israel.

[H2O Man]

21. Right.

Several members of my extended family are Jewish. All of the are progressive democrats.

[Carnea]

24. Well if you guys would stop voting for Buchanan in close elections...

I Kid I kid.......

Democrats are great for Israel as well don't you worry.

The media gets worse every year I swear and Americans seem to ignore it more every year so it's not all bad. Honestly the average age of a Fox viewer is between somewhere cantankerous and coma and MS NBC is a Prison fetish network with occasional news breaks. (I have refused to watch CNN since they hired Glen Beck so I have no idea)

[KharmaTrain]

37. The Monolithic Voter...

One of my closest friends is black and we've followed politics...especially the politics of race and religion. I'm Jewish and between us we have friends of virtually every ethnic and political stripe. We also have both worked for way too many years in the corporate media and know the games that are played in trying to pidgeon-hole people into demographics or easily "monitored" and "manipulated"...be it women or Jews or Blacks or Left-handed people or Pentacostal Druids. If there's a way to find a statistic and make a generalization, the corporate media thrives on it.

It's not unlike the game that is played with ratings. Advertisers are sold broad-brushed numbers that a good numbers cruncher can find a specific demo or other tidbit that somehow turns day into night, black into white. The real problem is that polls, like most reasearch is a snapshot of what was not what is. It gets the opinions of a specific moment and may show some future trends, but more the effect of past manipulation. And, sadly, most poll data is based on proving something rather than learning something.

[asthmaticeog]

39. You're right.

A lot of media *does* tend to act as though Israel were the only issue Jewish people voted on. Me, not so much.

[Romulox]

40. Ummm, the Dems kiss Israel's ass too, so I fail to see a distinction.

"all I hear is how the Republicans are Great for Israel. If this is so, than why do Jews always end up voting for Democrats 75-25?"

[cali]

42. um, simplistic is usually stupid. And your post is an example of that.

You're going on the moronic and ugly premise that Jews vote for dems because of Israel and repukes because of Israel. Idiotic and false generalization. Jews, for example, as a group, were strongly against the invasion of Iraq. Jews have varying opinions on Israel and on U.S. policies re Israel.

[Romulox]

46. Stop telling me what I must think--I was clear: pandering to Israel is not a point of distinction

between the parties.

The rest of what you posted is a strawman which has no relationship to my post whatever. (Nice job in socking that straw motherfucker in the nose, though! :eyes: :rofl: )

[cali]

47. sorry, I wasn't telling you what to think. And if you want to wax indignant, fine, but

do consider learning how to write clearly. Your post obviously suggested exactly what I said. Logic isn't your strong point. Writing isn't your strong point. And try learning what a strawman is.

[Romulox]

48. By all means, cover your retreat with a couple more insults!

"Your post obviously suggested exactly what I said."

It "suggested" nothing--it stated a single thought quite clearly. These "suggestions" are the product of your own diseased imagination.

[cushla_machree]

43. Well if this is true

Why do Dems consistently Kiss Israel's Ass? Why does everyone tremble in fear of AIPAC?

Was it the media that got Norman Finkelstein denied tenure at DePaul University, along with the decision to put him on administrative leave for the academic year, followed by his eventual resignation? I am curious, this is one issue i never understand. WHy does the media care so much?

Obviously someone really cares about all of this. Lieberman got reelected somehow, even though he appears to care more about Israel than america.

[Indenturedebtor]

52. Because AIPAC is a lobbying group that promotes certain policies

That doesn't mean that AIPAC speaks for all or even most of Israel, or all or even most of American Jews.

The media and AIPAC would like to claim however that AIPAC does represent said parties for obvious reasons.

What did Finkelstein do/say? What was the reasoning for denying him tenure?

Lieberman got elected by who? And does he really care for Israel? Or is he a neo-con douchebag?

Wars all over the Middle East are hardly in the interests of the Israeli public or the American public.

I care about the fate of Israel, and I care about the well being of America. I also care about the well being of the Palestinians... so what does that make me?

I vote on issues of primary concern for America, justice, progress, equality, the health of the planet, etc.

Can I ask you this: If some Republicans are Christian Neo-Nazis, does that make all Christians Republican Neo-Nazis? Does that mean that the KKK speaks for all Christians?
How does this ignorant-bigotted moron thing work again? Ask that guy with 26 posts upthread to send me the instructions for "stupid".

[rebel with a cause]

55. I agree with you.

To divide people into groups is a mistake. Saying that people in these groups are all the same is not only a mistake: it is idiotic.
We are all individuals who society places into groups; which we may or may not chose to remain within and whether or not to agree with other members of said group.

People need to look at their family (extended family included) and consider that they are not the same as all of its members and they would probably not like to be thought as such. Thus they should not do that to other people, judging all of them by the actions of some and thinking of the group in terms of stereotypes.

Hope this makes sense. Edited to try to make it do so.

[cushla_machree]

56. well

The media and AIPAC would like to claim however that AIPAC does represent said parties for obvious reasons.

So what would be the media's interest in promoting this viewpoint?

What did Finkelstein do/say? What was the reasoning for denying him tenure?

Finkelstein has written a lot about how Israel oppresses the Palestinians, and has accused Jews of exploiting the Holocaust for monetary gain. He is Jewish himself and i belive his parents survived the holocaust. The successful attempt to deny him tenure was led by Alan Dershowitz, who lobbied professors, alumni and the administration of DePaul to deny him tenure. He was also recently deported and banned from visiting Israel on a recent trip there.

If some Republicans are Christian Neo-Nazis, does that make all Christians Republican Neo-Nazis? Does that mean that the KKK speaks for all Christians?

Well, the KKK does not saturate the news media, so their influence is marginal. For some reason the ideas about Jewish people only supporting candidates that voice support for israel does.

[Jackpine Radical]

44. Indeed.

Most of the Jews I know are very antiwar and deplore Israel's hawkishness. Our local, theologically conservative synagogue, is a hotbed of pacifism and of reaching out to the Muslim community.

[CaptJasHook]

45. Language is an imperfect tool. People are lumping Jews into a catagory

in order to discuss the issue. DUers need to develop words to indicate the specific groups within the Jewish community they are talking about.

Don't take it personal.

[Psyop Samurai]

50. It's good to hear someone speak up about this...

There is such a disconnect between the Jewish people I know (not to mention voting record and polling data) and the way they are represented by the media. (although why should that surprise us?) This is Beltway Media Disease at its most insidious, feeding "divide and conquer" memes and disenfranchising "we the people", while skewing to their right wing overlords.

I know that yours is only a small post, one voice frustrated by the distortion, but I don't think it's a small topic. It seems like the real Jewish voice (largely progressive) has been usurped, and the fiends that usurped it have the media drones in their rolodexes and vice versa.

[libodem]

57. I wish I had the opportunity to know more

Jewish folks. I've only known a couple. Most of my opinions come from sadly shallow stereotypes. I've always believed that Jewish people were brilliant partly because they were liberal thinkers. I've had a strange reverence for God's chosen people because they are such an integral part of western civilization. That being said I feel so sorry for the Palestine refugees, I could weep. Thank you for opening a discussion on something I care about and have limited ways to become better informed. It's why I love DU.

[BlooInBloo]

58. For starters, they're PEOPLE.. sheesh.

[libodem]

59. I must sound like a jerk to you

I'll go kill myself.

[Behind the Aegis]

62. Happens here all the time.

Also, there is the assumption because one does care for Israel, it doesn't mean we don't care for the US or other issues.