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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:32 PM
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Well, I've heard it at least a half dozen times today: The first RW frame of Obama is: Marxist
I can just hear the discussion at the RNC:

Muslim? Didn't fly.
Liberal? Not perjorative enough.
Socialist? Better, but we're wearing that one out.

Marxist. That's the one. It sounds Communist-y but no one really knows what it is. And people are a'scared of Communists!



See how many times YOU hear it in the next week.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:35 PM
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1. To people that think like this, throw the Declaration of Independence..
...in their face.."..in order for form a more perfect UNION."
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:37 PM
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4. "....promote the general WELFARE..."
:D
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:40 PM
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5. exactly!!!
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:35 PM
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2. I thought they saved that one exclusively for Hillary?
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:36 PM
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3. It's back in the rotation!
:thumbsup:
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:41 PM
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6. I will look out for Marxist, but has it really been proven that he's not a Muslim?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:47 PM
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8. His Muslim daddy abandoned him.
Then his mommy abandoned him for another Muslim and then to work with Muslims. I really don't think you have to worry even slightly on that issue.

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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:51 PM
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10. It was a joke.
Edited on Mon Jun-09-08 11:52 PM by rusty quoin
Edit: and btw the first response I got all night.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:14 AM
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16. LOL.
:)
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:43 PM
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7. LOL! He's so not.
If we had a real left wing in this country, there's no way they could get away with such an obvious lie.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:49 PM
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9. Hmm should start carrying my abridged copy of Das Kapital
Edited on Mon Jun-09-08 11:49 PM by nadinbrzezinski
and ask the first idiot to point EXACTLY what Obama has in common with Das Kapital.

Oh wait, that means people can read and understand what they read

Free clue... precious little
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-09-08 11:53 PM
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11. Excusssseee Me....but
I agree that no one really knows what "Marxist" means......and it's being used **Alot.**
So... this is inflamatory... but I think "They" are trying to turn "Marxist" into the New And Improved *N* word.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:01 AM
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12. From now on, I will call Senator McCain....
Fascist McCain.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:01 AM
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13. There is a simple answer ....
He is NOT a Marxist .... This fact is demonstrable ....

They would do better to simply call him the Devil, because 'Marxist' has fully defined parameters, and it CAN be shown that Obama is NOT a Marxist ....

Time for the 'Fast Response' team to kick in and not let ANY of their 'definitions' go by unchallenged ... Slam'm ....
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:15 AM
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17. First up: Tom Delay and Mike Gallagher - here's a piece that echoes yours
Edited on Tue Jun-10-08 12:18 AM by Richardo
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/06/delay-obamas-a.html

Jake Tapper, ABCNews blog:

Seems a rather questionable charge. And you gotta love that disproving-a-negative construct. Unless Mr. X can prove me wrong he IS so-and-so. As in: Unless Mr. X can prove me wrong, he doesn't know what "Marxist" actually means.

While Obama is certainly a fairly orthodox liberal, I've seen zero evidence that he is anti-capitalist, that he believes the people own only their capacity to work, that he believes the proletariat are exploited by the owners of capital, that history should be seen purely through the lends of class struggle, or that religion is the opiate of the people ("Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes.")

In fact, I've seen evidence to the contrary of every one of these Marxist ideologies.





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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:11 AM
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14. is that a terrorist kind of Marxism?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 12:13 AM
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15. I think the Bugman kicked that off over the weekend on the radio.
Something to this effect: "Unless he tells me otherwise, he's a Marxist".
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lurky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 01:52 AM
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18. Good, that means they've already lost.
Once they resort to calling you a commie, you know they have run out of ammo.

And of course it will backfire because: A. It's obviously false to even the most uninformed viewer, B: It's exactly the kind of slimy personal attack that will make Obama look more sympathetic, and C: Who's afraid of Marxists anymore? What is this, 1954? Somebody needs to tell these geezers the Cold War is over (we won). :P
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 02:07 AM
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19. Is that the 'Das Kapital' Marx or the '1844 Manuscripts' Hegelian Marx ?
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 02:10 AM
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20. So was Carter, Clinton, Gore & Kerry...republicans preach fear & only fear!
Edited on Tue Jun-10-08 02:14 AM by GreenTea
Republicans are and sponsor only the corporate fascist imperialist....is there any doubt?
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 05:22 AM
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21. I like how whoever is running for the Dems is 'the most liberal (governor/senator) in the US!
"Wait, wasn't the LAST guy the most liberal etc etc?" :eyes:
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