sure is depressing to read a bunch of Kucinich put downs

[G_j]

when this man just put into the record an exhaustive and detailed list of Bushco crimes.


THAT ALONE IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT than all the hand-wringing about the 'wisdom of impeachment now'

thank you Dennis, the truth is now on record. History will judge you a truly great American, even if many would rather ridicule you.

[malaise]

1. Ditto n/t

[redqueen]

2. How long have you been on DU?

Kucinich bashing is a time-honored tradition around here.

[G_j]

3. feels like forever

it's actually gotten better, in 2004, he was attacked relentlessly here. There are certainly more Kucinich supporters here now.

[JackRiddler]

26. And why does he have more supporters now?

Because Kucinich has been the only consistent voice of truth without compromise, on the entire American political landscape.




(It could also be said that Ron Paul consistently says his own truth without compromise, except that so much of what he advocates is wrong, and so many of his supporters are crazy.)

[MisterP]

50. well, that's mostly now because they got McKinney purged

both of them got a welter of complete damnation--usually from the same people who screech whenever we dare criticize a DINO for giving Bush whatever he wants...
after 2006, Dennis got the brunt of the sludge: it's really sickening (though I recall she does get intermitted condemnation for daring to stand up to conservatism)

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

4. Indeed.

Were it not for Kucinich, nobody would know that Bush sucks. Kucinich is single-handedly responsible for Bush's 22% approval rating. Were it not for Kucinich, nobody would ever have heard of the Iraq war, illegal wiretapping, or hurricane Katrina. This epochal event will surely be seen by historians as the point when the American people learned the truth about Bush and began to turn on him.

In fact, without Kucinich, Bush would probably have scrapped the 22nd amendment and would be well on his way to a third tirm.



Screw you, Barney Frank!

[JackRiddler]

28. What good is knowing these things when the only reaction is to pretend

they will go away magically when a Democrat returns to the White House, completes the protection of the Bush mob (because we have to move on) and sets up the third coming of the Bush mob (or whoever will be on top of the criminal organization by 2012)?

In the Congress only Kucinich (and the handful of people who may go along with him) has acted as though crime is crime. Only Kucinich has taken the criminal organization as a comprehensive whole, rather than a collection of assorted gaffes and mistakes.

[Richardo]

5. I salute him for assembling a concise, comprehensive list of Bush malfeasance

I'm impatient with those who think that it means impeachment, or the media is ignoring it for some reason.

He read the Articles into the record. That's probably the end of it - and perhaps all he was expecting.

[spanone]

6. it is never to late to implement the laws of our land imho

[ecstatic]

7. Thank my rep, Cynthia McKinney too

She was almost 2 years ahead of Kucinich on this.

Love ya and Miss you Cindy!

[GreenPartyVoter]

31. She and DK are terrific people.

[bryant69]

8. Yeah I imagine it is hard to realize how little influence Dennis Kucinich has

Painful even. But the guy has no influence and this bill has no chance of going anywhere.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[magellan]

16. No, what's painful is realizing how much influence the Dems have altogether

...and how woefully inadequate they've been in exercising it since gaining the majority.

Influence or not, Kucinich is the only one among them doing his job here, and just because you and others don't think it's important doesn't diminish its value to the rest of us one iota.

[bryant69]

25. Maybe if Kucinich focused on being effective rather than noble

We'd see more action.

Bryant

[JackRiddler]

30. Yeah, if he did that, he could, like the rest, effectively accomplish nothing

rather than failing to accomplish something
and earning the contempt of they who take their pragmatism
to the death as a necessary poison.

(Come July 4th I'd better not see you and others talking this bull pretending patriotism and saluting the revolution. If you must advocate intellectual cowardice, at least do it without the hypocrisy.)

[bryant69]

35. Well make sure you take down my name - Bryant69

And say what you will, but people like Ben Franklin, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson and so on were skilled politicians as well as being idealists and heroes.

Bryant

[JackRiddler]

39. Oh, it's easy to remember...

for years in the name of pragmatism you've pushed reactionary justifications of crime. Long as its "our" crime.

You already have some nerve invoking those names, especially Jefferson who would have never accepted the crimes of the present regime without a call for justice; but what would they have been without Sam Adams or Thomas Paine, or those on the ground who fought, like Crispus Attucks? Your problem perhaps is in the Star System view of history, forgetting that this means the Studios always rule.

[bryant69]

44. THe difference between Kucinich and Jefferson is that Jefferson would have

been effective. Kucinich clearly isn't. Or else this impeachment would have a ghost of a chance of passing.

Hey didn't he try to impeach the Vice President a year ago? How come Cheney is still in power?

Bryant

[Fireweed247]

27. great comment!

:applause:

If we were all united, if the 'liberal' blogosphere were all screaming together, our voices would be heard, but even the internet if very controlled.

There is something terribly wrong with this country.

[wtmusic]

18. Your undying pessimism is truly awe-uninspiring.

Does it serve any purpose but self-aggrandizement? Do you feel smarter now? :eyes:

[bryant69]

33. I am optimistic actually

I think that Obama will win in November and that we will increase our majorities in both houses of Congress.

I just don't see this particular strategy as paying off- rather i see it as a waste of time gesture that distracts from better opportunties for improvement.

Bryant

[mmonk]

9. Kudos for the patriot.

Thumbs down for the corporatists and elected prostitutes.

[MuseRider]

10. Ahhhh

they are just too busy keeping their powder dry. Someday, someday it will come in handy ya know?

I'm with you.

[bdamomma]

11. no one else will do it and I thank him along with his staff for all

the research that they did to bring this forward. :applause:

[QueenOfCalifornia]

12. Unfortunately

it is the usual suspects who have decided that impeachment should be off the table. Oh, they bitch and moan along with the rest of us about Dubya but they think impeachment is just too icky and messy. Funny how they are also, for the most part --- supporters of a certain someone who did not become the nominee.

Just start bookmarking their posts and you will see the pattern.

[BurtWorm]

13. Some of us are not wringing our hands.

We're rolling our eyes. It's always good to get the case for Bushism's crimes heard. But impeachment is not going to happen. It's too late. Anyone with sense can see that. The question becomes what are the best uses of resources to make amends for the massive damage Bushism has wrought. Impeachment at this stage is like taking a pea shooter to the mother ship.

[cascadiance]

17. The goal here isn't necessarily to ACTUALLY impeach and convict Bush before the end of the year....

It is to make sure that he IS checked and he is made accountable WHILE IN OFFICE! Future generations will not only point fingers at him, but point even heavier fingers at a congress that does nothing to hold those abusing the system accountable, and instead just try to play politics to "win power"...

If we don't at least try to impeach him now:

1) Future "criminal presidents" will see that as a message that they will not be impeached while in office, as they interpret that future congresses won't impeach them with the precedent set here, no matter how egregious their crimes are.

2) Even if we DO impeach and/or criminally prosecute those after they leave office, future "criminal presidents" will see what currently hasn't been done while Bush is in office as a message that they should do everything to NOT relinquish power, and therefore they would declare martial law, etc. and cancel elections instead of stepping down so that they wouldn't be criminally prosecuted after they leave office.

3) Bush and his people will play games to pardon themselves in between November election day and January 20th, 2009 if we don't go after them now, or perhaps even worse if they feel they are going to get prosecuted, try to play the martial law card, etc. then too.

Impeaching them now not only serves notice to future presidents, but it also forces each and every senator and congressman to be put on record for either saying these guys committed crimes or not. That is why they don't want to do impeachment, and is why they don't want to do many other forms of legislation that has them vote on whether to take down the corporatocracy lobbyist crowd. Then they have to be on record as to being either against their voting constituents or against their "bribing" constituents. If they avoid those questions (which they usually try to do), they continue with the way the status quo has functioned, and the way the status quo has screwed America for the corporatists benefit. That is why impeachment is important. The people win when they see who value the elites rather than value America and the rule of law, especially when it is done right before an election, so that those not supporting the people can be made accountable too!

[wildbilln864]

19. Well said! Thank you. nt

[BurtWorm]

24. Circumstances are always changing. Impeachment is a lousy thing to base on precedent.

It's a political tool for punishing political enemies. That is all it is. It is not suitable punishment for the kinds of crimes these criminals commit every day.

[cascadiance]

47. The problem is that precedent WILL be used in the future if it provides an excuse...

Doing what most perceive as improper course of action is a lot harder when there isn't precedent for having done so in the past. If you think them not pursuing impeachment now WON'T be used in the future to let powerful criminals off the hook, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you!

This is all about standing up for our constitutional form of government, and rule by the people and not accountably by the elites. We need to stand up now, win or lose!

[KoKo]

29. Well said...! Thank you! eom.

[uppityperson]

36. Thank you for that post. Well said.

Having it look bad to attack mrbush when he's out of the country and can't defend himself, right. Big eyeroll to those saying that.

Thank you for your post, well said. It may not go anywhere, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done.

[G_j]

43. absolutely

I don't understand why some people can't grasp this.
:shrug:

[JackRiddler]

32. Yeah, first stonewall and then pretend the time ran out...

Then, pontificate about some crime in another part of the world that requires an immediate humanitarian invasion.

[G_j]

40. yea, and many were saying it was too late, two years ago..

to quote the criminal: "mission accomplished"

[TooBigaTent]

14. The attacks and the lack of support for holding * responsible for his crimes clearly

show that many here are more interested in power for power's sake (we must elect a democrat, even if they don't act (or vote) like one) than in fighting for justice.

Any politician who does not actively support impeachment of this administrations' criminals will not get my support. My DINO representative has not gotten my vote since she first took office. Luckily, there are some Democrats down-ballot who I can support.

Up-ticket is still up for grabs.

[JackRiddler]

37. you say "many here are more interested in power for power's sake"

How so? Not many here will come even within sniffing distance of power. They will think things changed, the pace of decline in the political life will indeed slow down; the criminals will regroup under cover of "moving on." Finally, our tinpot pragmatists will act all surprised when Bush III arrives and devote themselves to electing the next Democratic "moderate" in an endless cycle of enabling the criminals.

Power for power's sake? Ha! They act as though it's a team spectator sport, and celebrate when the Democrats win the world series as though it means power for them.

[madrchsod]

15. yes it is

he actually has reasonable well thought out plans that could remedy a lot of what ails our country.

BUT

he stands up for OUR CONSTITUTION and he`s ridiculed...

oh well some people do not seem to care

[Individualist]

20. Not surprising; DLC is opposed to impeachment.

[annabanana]

21. When the ruins of the American Empire are sifted through..

(perhaps by some benevolent alien from another planet) they will at least be able to see that SOME of us saw our impending destruction and sought to stave it off.

[underseasurveyor]

22. No Shit....!

when 'they' do nothing, people whine.. where are 'they'? why don't 'they' do something?

when 'they' DO SOMETHING, people bitch.. why the hell are 'they' doing that? it's too late!

geezus damned if they do and damned if they don't:eyes:

Go Dennis GO!:loveya:

[leftofthedial]

23. justice is OFF THE TABLE

in the modern "democratic" party.

haven't you heard?

[EFerrari]

34. I'm thankful to Dennis every time he pushes back against BushCo.

:hi:

[Ghost in the Machine]

38. Anyone who would put Kucinich down for this is a fucking troll, period.

They sure as hell shouldn't be posting on here. Does that hurt the feelings of some of you? Tough shit! If you don't stand with someone trying to STOP the crimes, you stand with the criminals. There is no middle ground or gray areas on this.

[Zorra]

41. Makes you wonder how infested with trolls DU really is.

How could any real Democrat constantly denigrate someone that has worked so hard for all of us?

[JuniperLea]

42. I never understood how a professed Democrat and/or progressive...

Could bash Kucinich. He's a rock!

[Breeze54]

45. Don't let the the rethug dems here get you down! -- Kucinich rocks!!

:yourock: Dennis!!

[Swamp Rat]

46. We Kucinich supporters are familiar with this type of treatment.

[blues90]

48. Even if it goes nowhere at least Kucinich has the balls

To go against the grain of the admin and put it out there.
as far as almost all the other dems there was Feingold wanting to censure bush and boxer was the only one who stood my him.

The rest of the dems have become or already were weak fools.

[Kingofalldems]

49. Repug infiltrators here find him an easy target

A great way for them to truly express themselves by attacking all Democrats through him. In fact one seems to be absolutely obsessed with Kucinich. A little too obsessed.

[Swamp Rat]

51. They never stop trying to push Americans to the right,

from without and from within.

There is a number of DUers I consider to be repuke-lite, most of whom have authoritarian personalities.

[Kingofalldems]

52. I don't consider them repuke lite

They are the real thing.

[goodhue]

53. yes indeed