Impeachment isn't about politics. It's about the survival of our country.

[WritersBlock]

Failure to impeach is tacit approval of everything this administration has done, including pre-emptive war, torture, and the erasure of civil liberties.

Failure to impeach is also a blatant and clear message that the next would-be dictator who wants to make up the rules as he or she goes along will not face any resistance.

It's not about justice. It's about survival of our country as we knew it.

Or thought we knew it.

[slipslidingaway]

1. K&R!!! n/t

[TooBigaTent]

2. Yes, but too many, elsewhere AND HERE, do not get this. They are so enamoured

of gaining power that they are willing to give "tacit approval" to the crimes of the Bushistas. They will deny that fact, but it is the truth.

At this point in time, after years of this shit, they are as guilty as George and his friends.

[Growler]

4. I would love to impeach bush/cheney

but there is one reason why we haven't been able to do it for the past 7 years: Dems lack power.

[Ghost in the Machine]

3. Off to the Greatest with you!

I couldn't have said it better myself...

[MonkeyFunk]

5. No amount of speechifying changes the fact

that impeachment is an entirely political process. Always has been, always will be, and that's how it was designed.

[WritersBlock]

7. It's not "speechifying." It's the truth.

And yes, impeachment itself may be a political *process* but the reasons for the impeachment of Bush, Cheney, et al, are not political.

I wasn't exaggerating when I said this is about the survival of the country as we knew it. I believe that with all my heart.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. So America will die if we don't impeach

but impeachment will clearly and absolutely result in his acquittal - but that will somehow save us?

I think you're being hyperbolic.

[WritersBlock]

10. Please read what I wrote. I said "as we knew it."

I stand by that.

And I completely disagree that impeachment will result in his acquittal.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. which 17 republicans will vote to convict him in the Senate?

[WritersBlock]

12. I don't know. But you also don't know that they won't.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. yeah, I pretty much DO know

[WritersBlock]

15. No, you don't. You don't know what would happen once the ball got rolling.

How do you know that there wouldn't be a surge of public support for it, so much so that those 17 couldn't ignore it?

[MonkeyFunk]

19. I know they won't even override a veto.

I know they have never done ANYTHING in 7 years to go against him. And suddenly, we're supposed to believe they'd vote to remove him from office? Sorry, that's delusional.

[WritersBlock]

20. I really wish you would stop labeling me just because I disagree with you. It is not delusional to

think that there would be a groundswell of public support for impeachment once the process got started.

[MrCoffee]

18. Impeachment is political, but not in the way you suggest

Impeachment is a Legislative check against an overreaching Executive. It's political in that sense, not in the liberal/conservative-Democrat/Republican sense.

If anyone in Congress actually recognized the distinction, they'd be unanimous in impeaching this particular administration.

[ogsbee]

6. Bring back our good name -- IMPEACH, INDICT, IMPRISON

Hideous crimes have been done in our names and with our tax moneys. The victim list has reached our own citizens. Restore democracy.

[TooBigaTent]

16. I would edit the mantra to say...

Impeach & Remove.

Indict & Convict.

Imprison & Execute.

There, now it is a prescription for recovery from the disease G.O.P. by patient America.

[AuntPatsy]

8. Agree

:kick:

[pacalo]

13. Doggone right. Just as important, the sore won't heal until justice is done.

We're past bandaids; surgery is required.

[Swamp Rat]

17. It is a constitutional remedy, a mechanism to correct a severe problem.

Though, I am sure more than a few will continue to try to distract concerned Americans from pursuing impeachment with inane, uninformed arguments.

[goodhue]

21. you bet

[goodhue]

22. !

[snot]

23. Yeah, 'fraid those *holes are right in one regard:

some people cannot be rehabilitated, they can only be deterred.

I'm not a big believer in punishment; but I am a big believer in accountability and restitution. Just make them fix what they broke, eh?

[The Stranger]

24. At this point, I have suspicions about people who oppose impeacment.

Assuming they have not been living on another planet for the past eight years.

[dana_b]

25. that's exactly how i feel.

I know some are fairly negative and say it's too late. We're too idealistic. It's not being idealistic or unreasonable to holding those who are criminals accountable for their crimes.
Too late? tell that to the vets, the people of Iraq and those who will go to Iran.

[Hart2008]

26. K & R

[goodhue]

27. kick

[BurtWorm]

28. The people do not approve of what the Bushists have done.

But they don't impeach. Congress does.

There is a rift between the people and their representatives that is caused by the very nature of government, politics, power, etc. Impeachment won't heal it. I think it's wise not to count on people in power for a goddamn thing.