Kucinich is a distraction, sorry, that's the way I feel

[DainBramaged]

Booshe isn't getting impeached, not with 8 months to go in his term of errors. And I personally think Kucinich waiting until now to read the articles into the record is an insult to Obama. This is a bad time to give the Reich wing fodder to attack Obama and put him in the middle of this ploy while Kucinich gets lots of press and love from the left for something he should have done as early as 2006.

Yes, I know, Scotty and the Senate report have now added new fuel to the fire, but we NEED to get Barack Obama elected, not spend 8 months trying to impeach a lame duck moran . Kucinich needs to endorse Obama also, and stop being self-centered.


That is all.

[AuntPatsy]

1. No, the distraction is chucky cheese has unruly parents while Bushy

travels Europe looking for support to make war with Iran....

At least lets be for real just who is doing the distracting and why and why Impeachment is the only answer to stop this war machine administration from succeeding any more than they already have.

[Richardo]

2. ...

:thumbsup:

One correction: He won't get a lot of press outside of DU.

[EFerrari]

3. In order to be a distraction, you have to get attention.

And Dennis told his supporters to vote for Obama months ago.

[L. Coyote]

4. And, this is about Bush crimes, not your feelings.

[DainBramaged]

6. What will this accomplish?

Nancy and Harry "who me take action" Reid have already stated impeachment is off the table, and the Reich wing in Congress can block any attempt to move it to the floor, they have already neutered Reid from accomplishing anything, so what is the point?

He should have done this in 2006 when it MEANT something.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

8. He has been doing things

but has been hampered at every turn. Sometimes it is important to simply state the facts for the record. That is what Kucinich did. Hardly any press attention, either, so the argument you make in your OP is flawed. Also, Kucinich told his supporters long ago to back Obama.

[DainBramaged]

13. I'm not the only poster here who is flawed.

:spank:

[L. Coyote]

92. That was a reference to logic being flawed, not you.

But, since you are bramaged, we'll let you get away with the claim. :rofl:

[truedelphi]

14. I think one factor in the timing is that with the release of McClellan's book

And that since McClellan basically confesses to aiding and abetting the conspiracies that the Bush administration has dealt this country and the world, he can be offered immunity in return for his testimony about what went down.

Especially in the outing of valerie Plame. He identifies the players and their specific actions and roles. And in terms of other events as well - perhaps the Cheney "energy" talks that were held in secret (and we now know were about the maps of oil rich Iraq) Et Cetera.

[Lex]

15. and McClellan's upcoming testimony.

nt

[DainBramaged]

20. I mentioned that. Should I have used larger text?

Like this?

[truedelphi]

49. You did mention it but in a dismissive way. And since impeachment is very much

A legal event and struggle, certain things must show up before the die is cast.

Nixon's impeachment trial would not have happened if the tapes had not surfaced to provide testimony of what had gone down over Watergate. And likewise, Kucinich has needed a credible witness - McClellan will provide that. (Unless he suddenly "suicides!")

[DainBramaged]

50. Dismissive? Pardon me wait let me improve on my op OK

Yes, I know, Scotty and the Senate report have now added new fuel to the fire

and I KNOW that he is two years too late for this to have ANY effect on the misAdministration, but once again, if he is a man of his convictions, why did he wait till it was useless and just a stunt?

[truedelphi]

65. You don't like the McClellan answer, so I'll add this:

THE HANDWRITING IS ON THE WALL. BIG TIME.

THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA, ESPECIALLY CNN AND WOLF BLITZER et al WENT DOWN TO GLORIOUS DEFEAT IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS.

OBAMA IS THE PRESUMPTIVE NOMINEE. CLINTON HAS BOWED OUT.
MAINSTREAM AMERICAN GUY AND GAL NO LONGER LISTENS TO MAINSTREAM MEDIA. THE PROOF IS IN WHAT WENT DOWN OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS. THEY (THE M$M) BLATHERED AND BLATHERED ABOUT CLNTON"S EXPERTISE EXPERIENCE AND OSAMA'S {OOPS! OBAMA'S) MUSLIM-NESS.

WE IGNORED THEM!!

Kucinich saw that the tide had turned. The opportunity to impeach is now.

[LanternWaste]

35. A statement of intent. A declaration of belief.

"so what is the point?"

A statement of intent. A declaration of belief. An affirmation of his convictions.

Regardless of whether he does it on your timetable or his is, I believe quite irrelevant-- as it still means something; maybe not to you, but it does to me and to a lot of other people by the look or it.

[DainBramaged]

62. Sorry I disagree, but as I have learned here, disagreement is frowned upon

It never was like this when DU was in it's infancy.


That's ok I have a real life.

[LanternWaste]

89. Some frown on disagreement while others embrace it

Some frown on disagreement while others embrace it (for all the relevancy that has...).

I can't speak to the infancy of DU as I've only been here since early 2001.

I imagine we all have real lives (again, for all the relevancy that has...) :shrug:

[truedelphi]

69. Kucinich's resolution definitely sheds light on

The righteousness of thsoe of us who want election reform.

He is indicting Bush, Cheney and Blackwell for their conducting the Presidential election of 2004 in Ohio in an illegal fashion.

Hear! Hear!

[Malikshah]

85. It will begin to allow us to regain a shred of dignity in the world.

That is important.

For the administration to get off with all of this...

The American populace will continue to bear the brunt of resentment.

[DainBramaged]

87. That will not happen till Obama takes the oath of office

How anyone here thinks this is worth of any attention other than to rabid Kuspinach fans is beyond me. He should be trying to block funding the war than something as impossible as this.. And regarding him 'reading into the record' history will do a better job of exposing Booshe for what he really is than the Congressional record.

How many of you have read the Congressional record and how many of you read it like it was the Bible?

[Malikshah]

99. Name calling for Kucinich? That speaks volumes.

Maybe it is time that people begin to look at the larger picture.

The US populace has lost much of it's good will from the world, due in large part to the fact that we have allowed the crimes to continue without serious response. We are looked upon as enablers at best, and accomplices at worst.

It is long past time for people to stand up and demand accountability for the crimes against our nation and the world. We are the only ones that can accomplish this if we wish to regain our position as a world citizenry in good standing.

[Fovea]

5. One hand washes the other

Change in the executive branch, and spine in the legislative.

That is the ticket to a new Dem Majority.

[John Q. Citizen]

27. Yes. I agree. This is good for Obama.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

7. Since the majority of the MSM has ignored the introduction

of articles of impeachment, I don't believe your argument holds water. I have yet to hear any pundit or rw blogger mention this, so how in the world could it "insult" or even hurt Obama's chances?

Kucinich did this so there is a public record of Bush's crimes. So there is a public record that at least some people in the US recognized Bush for the criminal he is. Kucinich did this for me, my husband, and all peace loving Americans.

[DainBramaged]

10. Why did he wait till now? He would have done it for EVERYONE

if he did this earlier. So you think because I disagree with this, I'm not a peace loving American? Nice of you to frame me as such. You've learned a wonderful Reich wing trick.

Let me frame your response this way. I think KooKoo needs to be in the spotlight, and what better way than to stir up a hornet's nest knowing his articles will go nowhere, other than to garner attention to himself and all of the 'peace loving' Americans who support him.

[Wizard777]

9. I thought that old boys network was dead.

Their motto. There is no list of crimes too tall to prevent us from overlooking them for the right price. So they are gonna give us a win in the election to overlook war crimes and crimes against humanity.

How corrupt is that? :puke:

[Zorra]

11. Televison headlines broadcasting indisputable evidence that Bu*h commited criminal acts

seems to me like it would propel Barack into the White House on a landslide.

[DainBramaged]

17. So, you think the MSM will report this like the stain on a dress?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Zorra]

23. It will come to the point where they'll have no choice. n/t

[magellan]

22. The Repubs can vouch for that

They took the WH in 2000 after their failed attempt to impeach Clinton, even though they did it with the help of the SCOTUS and election fraud. There were enough votes for Bush** to make the steal possible.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

64. Failed?

Clinton was IMPEACHED.

He was not indicted.

[magellan]

70. I stand corrected

My point is they failed to remove him from office, and despite most Americans seeing their attempt for the petty trick it was the Repubs still held Congress and took the WH in 2000.

[Lex]

12. An insult to Obama?

OMG.

How does every-freakin'-thing end up as an "insult to Obama."

[gatorboy]

16. How can he be a distraction if nobody covers it?

[AuntPatsy]

25. you hit the nail on the head....these distraction posts are getting boring.

[Individualist]

54. An H. L. Mencken quote sums them up very well...

"It reminds me of a string of wet sponges; it reminds me of tattered washing on the line; it reminds me of stale bean soup, of college yells, of dogs barking idiotically through endless nights. It is so bad that a sort of grandeur creeps into it. It drags itself out of the dark abysm of pish, and crawls insanely up the topmost pinnacle of posh. It is rumble and bumble. It is flap and doodle. It is balder and dash."

[MuseRider]

63. It is a distraction only for

those who are incapable of thinking of more than one thing at a time. Perhaps that is why we are in the mess we are in. It is all about winning the next race and that is the only thing worth thinking of, even if it means letting the criminals continue to rape our constitution without abate.

This is unconscionable.

[Telly Savalas]

108. And if nobody covers it, then why are roses being thrown at Kucinich's feet for it?

If he's introducing an impeachment which has no chance of passing and nobody is covering, then it's no more standing up to Bush than me driving out to the country and yelling "Bush sucks ass" at the top of my lungs. And it has no more impact on changing the course of the nation.

[Fireweed247]

18. Stopping a war in Iran is more important that electing Obama

Obama also threatens war on Iran, he enables Bush's lies about Iran being a threat.

I think that stopping our country from killing millions more innocent people is more important, but that's just me.

Why isn't Kucinich introducing Impeachment the top headline in the blogosphere?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3419867&mesg_id=3419867

[DainBramaged]

24. Oh boy so Obama threatens war on Iran?

Who wants to negotiate with the Iranians? Bush?

[Fireweed247]

31. Obama apparently ignores the evidence stating Iran is not a threat

because he continues to repeat this in his speeches. By pretending along with Bush, he is enabling these lies to continue, giving them validity. It is not just Obama, but almost the entire US Congress that plays along.

[DainBramaged]

34. Sure, keep playing that rock and roll

[L. Coyote]

93. What BS. There is no war in Iran to stop. Obama wants to stop the one in Iraq!

Electing Obama is how to stop the war!
What is with the illogical convolutions? Axe to grind? Or, just disrupting?

[Beregond2]

19. There was not one mention of what Kucinich

did in either morning paper here, nor have I seen anything about it on TV. This is at most a symbolic gesture at this time. The Democrats should have been reading each one of these crimes into the record as they happened, not waiting until it is far too late to do anything about them. But at least they are in the record now, which is something, and it might help with prosecutions later, if any.

[DainBramaged]

26. Absolutely, as I stated, why wait till now?

Sad that he is alone in this, but I think the country just wants to get through the next 8 months and get on with their lives.

[John Q. Citizen]

33. I disagree with your analysis on every point. In fact, your asking DUers why

now, and telling us what you think the country wants is rather pathetic.

Why not call or write the congressman and ask him?

Why did you wait until now to come out against impeachment?

[DainBramaged]

36. Wrong again, sorry I disagree with so many of you

one last time

WHY DIDN'T HE DO THIS IN 2006 INSTEAD OF WAITING UNTIL THERE IS ONLY EIGHT MONTHS LEFT IN BOOSHE'S PRESIDENCY, KNOWING THIS WILL GO NOWWHERE?

Get a life.

[John Q. Citizen]

48. I predict you aren't long for this world known as DU. Good luck!

[DainBramaged]

107. Maybe if you read my profile you would actually see how long I've been here

And since you think you are the judge and jury on DU for those of us who don't bow to the altar you worship at, and you are offended by contrary opinion, maybe it's time you do a little of your own self-reflection and stop trying to bait me into getting banned, or better yet, calling me out because I disagree with you. That too is against the rules chum.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

68. Have you always been

a bully when people disagree with you?

I totally disagree with you.

I would love to see that criminal brought to justice and to piece the Constitution back together.

If he is not held accountable for the terrible war crimes he and his VP have committed then who?

Kucinich is not the enemy.

[DainBramaged]

73. Sorry I didn't sugar coat my response to your liking

and sorry I'm not all flowers and platitudes when I respond, but your assumption is typical of a person addled with keyboarditis.:eyes:

[QueenOfCalifornia]

75. No

it is the rude things you are writing from your keyboard.

You posted flame bait -

Now you get to read what we think about it.

Or

not.

But calling people names is really uncalled for.

[DainBramaged]

76. Put me on ignore, than you don't have to read dick

[wildbilln864]

83. and against DU rules! eom.

[DainBramaged]

86. You bet, so is anyone calling someone out because they disagree with that someone

You all have the option of the red x. Use it if you feel offended by any one's position. You can all become ostriches.

[LanternWaste]

91. Have you...

"WHY DIDN'T HE DO THIS IN 2006"

Have you asked his office? Seems that if anyone's in the know, it would be his own office.... :shrug:

[John Q. Citizen]

21. Feelings are personal. Everyone has them. But from a

thinking perspective I believe Kucinich is doing Obama a very great favor here.

As the right wing gears up to accuse Obama of being a Marxist/Leninist/ ultra lefty, Dennis is publicly and forcefully occupying a slot to the left of Obama.

This makes Obama look much more mainstream by comparison.

It also articulates why America wouldn't want another 4 years of bush criminality.

Instead of looking for who you can dis and hate and be annoyed with, perhaps you might consider how everyone everywhere needs to do their part to bring about real change. I welcome Congressman Kucinich's efforts.

That is all.

[Name removed]

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[John Q. Citizen]

39. I see you call me names instead of addressing the points I made.

Now you can dis and hate me as well as Kucinich, eh?

At least you are consistent.

[DainBramaged]

44. We're done, goodbye

[elocs]

29. Uh-oh! Naughty, naughty. That's not allowed here. Better toe the impeachment line, or else.

The reality is that impeachment will never fly in an election year. It does, however, allow people to become all noble and self righteous about impeachment, labeling those who do not agree as DINOs or not caring about the Constitution.

[DainBramaged]

32. I'm a baddddddd boy, and so many will hate me for even mentioning this

but that's ok, DU isn't my life. I will survive.

[elocs]

37. Yeah, not point in getting your feelings hurt by a bunch of anonymous posters.

However, if they knew who you really were and where you lived it would be pitchfork and torch time, just like any good Republican might do.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

74. That's it

all of us who disagree with your friend are insane, crazy murderers.

That is sensible ....:eyes:

Comparing those of us who are for the impeachment of a war criminal, baby killer to Republicans makes zero sense.

ZERO

[DainBramaged]

80. DID YOU KNOW YOU ARE MY FRIEND?

WOW can we like hang out some time?


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[LanternWaste]

30. How can it be a distraction if DK gets very little to no press...?

How can it be a distraction if DK gets very little to no press...?

Don't distractions, by their very nature need to be advertised rather loudly to be effective?

If that is indeed the case, then it would seem this is not a distraction, but merely a man holding declaring his convictions.

[Fireweed247]

51. yeah right!

I wish they were using it as a distraction!

[flvegan]

38. Seems to me he's doing his job, is he not?

I'm sure he'll do what he can/needs to do to help the party elect Obama.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

78. Good point

If the other members of Congress would do their job, we would not have an emperor.

Checks and balances... It is 7th grade civics.

As it is, the ass's get away with killing millions of people and taking over their country while using our own youth to carry out the orders of a handful of depraved psychopaths.

[wildbilln864]

40. Defending our Constitution is a distraction!? WTF!?

:banghead: Let the murderers get away with it? HELL NO !

[lynnertic]

41. Hey Drain, it's could be that he pulled it out to ride on the wave that McClellan's book brought in

the one where McClellan writes that the Administration ignored exculpatory evidence to go to war (LIED) and that the White House was behind the leak of Valerie Plame's name.

It could also be that he chose to spend all this time reading articles of impeachment because there's another vote he didn't want to happen (war funding maybe?)

[DainBramaged]

46. It's Dain and once again, maybe next time I'll use larger text

in my OP

so you understand I already covered your brilliant idea.

[lynnertic]

57. you assume I'll bother to read it! :)

sorry for the spelling etc. I need glasses :(

[RedLetterRev]

42. Actually, it was very clever

on Mr Kucinich's part. Note that he didn't introduce the resolution (which may not have allowed him to read the entirety into the Congressional Record) -- he introduced a question ON the resolution, which did allow him the floor time to read the entirety into the record. Regardless of the outcome (yes, I'd hope for a thorough investigation down to dog-catcher level and impeachment), the list of alleged crimes with bases for the allegations is now and forevermore a part of the record. Let that stinking albatross hang firmly around the neocons' and their rubber-stamping henchmen's necks.

[frog92969]

72. I just hope they don't start

treating the Congressional Record the same way they did the WH e-mails.
Perhaps chimpy will abolish Congress as a National Security threat.

[frylock]

43. having a hard time focusing on your bread and circuses?

what distraction are you talking about?!

[DainBramaged]

52. circuses?

Did you mean croissants? Or is there something in my youth I missed out on?

[Growler]

45. The BEST that can be said about this

...is the articles will now be in the Congressional record.

Impeachment of Bush/Cheney will never happen, sorry -- and for the same reason I can't ride my beautiful motorcycle: the battery is dead.

In other words, Impeachment is a lovely idea, but the Democrats lack the power to proceed with it.

[DainBramaged]

47. Bingo, so will you cut the ropes attaching me to the stake over the firepit

the Kunichichinich supporters have strung me up on?

[lonestarnot]

56. No he won't!

[DainBramaged]

59. Thanks, I'm taking you out of the will

[lonestarnot]

105. LOL

:evilgrin:

[Growler]

104. I would if I could

:)

[lonestarnot]

53. As is demonstrated in the windfall profit tax on big oil this a.m. I

would sure like to know if any dems voted against it. No record of the vote is posted yet! I wanna see it!

[RedLetterRev]

61. Exactly the point

Kucinich used a procedural move to allow the entirety of the resolution to be entered into the Record. The actual resolution hasn't been introduced -- only a question ON the resolution. (If he had introduced the resolution directly, a motion could have been made to dispense with the reading.) Now all of the allegations to date are a matter of public record and in such a place where BushCo can't respond, spin or obsfuscate in kind. They can only defend themselves against what's contained in a question on a resolution -- probably a worse burden than defending against a resolution to impeach head-on. I hope their heads explode trying.

[OzarkDem]

101. They lack the will, not the power

[John Q. Citizen]

55. Congressman Wexler Consponsors Bush Impeachment

Congressman Wexler Consponsors Bush Impeachment
Submitted by davidswanson on Tue, 2008-06-10 17:14. Impeachment

(Washington, DC) Today, Congressman Robert Wexler (D-FL), a senior member of the House Judiciary Committee, signed onto Congressman Dennis Kucinich's (D-OH) Articles of Impeachment against President George W. Bush. The Articles outline numerous allegations against President Bush, including his creation of a massive propaganda campaign to mislead the nation into war with Iraq, the illegal use of torture during interrogation, the authorization of a warrantless wiretapping program on American citizens, and the repetitive use of signing statements to negate legislation passed by Congress.


http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/33988

[truedelphi]

67. Yeah Wexler. And he is only a Senior Member of the Judiciary Committee.

I'll repeat that part of your post as no one should avoid thinking about what that means.

The testicles are in the vise grip and now is the time.

It is one way available for us to avoid the Bush planned war against Iran.

[frog92969]

77. I hope everyone from HRes333 signs up on this one too.

Plus many more.

[L. Coyote]

94. The line is forming at the re-election door!!!

[alcibiades_mystery]

58. You're nicer than I am...I just think he's a fucking idiot.

n/t

[mmonk]

60. Those above the law are never a lame duck.

Neither is his movement as long as no truth and justice and correction occur.

[mdmc]

66. apology accepted

:toast:

[helderheid]

71. If it distracts them from attacking Iran, I SAY GO FOR IT.

[Karenina]

109. Indeed!

Which it WOULD.

[KharmaTrain]

79. We Can't Even Get An Emergency Energy Package Through

And people think the Senate has any appetite to impeach?

It's amazing...yesterday some serious shit came out regarding Abramoff's connections to boooosh & rove...not a damn thread on that revelation. Yes...priorities need to be focused on the practical, not the impossible.

[DainBramaged]

82. Thank you for seeing through the fog

Yes, what was it SIX personal meetings with Jackmeoff and not a word here about how serious this is?

Pathetic. Watch out for the ton of bricks from Kunichichnichnch's supporters for discussing the obvious.

[Fire Walk With Me]

81. The people currently charging $4.50 for regular gas in LA consider him a distraction.

Choose your distractions, and distractors, wisely.

[Goblinmonger]

84. F that

It is clear that an important part of this election comes down to McCain = Bush.

Kucinich is showing that Bush = piece of shit.

Therefore, McCain = piece of shit.

QED








plus, nobody in the real world is even going to hear about this.

[LSK]

88. this has nothing to do with Obama, its about stopping war with Iran

If you get impeachment for lies about the war in Iraq out in the Press, that reduces the chances that anyone will believe them about Iran.

[DainBramaged]

90. Stop the funding and you stop the war, simple isn't it

Why didn't he introduce a resolution demanding that?

[LSK]

97. how much funding is needed for the selective air strikes they are talking about???

And why wouldnt Bush just pull funding from the VA or something else that is actually needed??

[L. Coyote]

95. HELLO!! There is no war with Iran. This is not about clairvoyance, it is about high crimes.

"Resolved, that President George W. Bush be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors ..."

Read the text!

[DainBramaged]

96. He meant Iraq

Got to go, will absorb excessive insults later

[LSK]

98. its about PREVENTING the NEXT war

I watched about 2 hours of it last night. Why are you reading me the beginning of it?

What is your point?

[kestrel91316]

100. Your posts designed to undermine a DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE

are duly noted.

Please consult your rule book. If you don't have something nice to say about a Dem candidate, don't say anything at all.

[L. Coyote]

103. Second that. Where's the tombstone when you need it?

[DainBramaged]

106. So you don't like a difference of opinion here?

You are right as is my 'friend' I am ignoring, where is that tombstone when you need it?

[TheFriendlyAnarchist]

102. I think now that the primaries are over, this could actually unite the dems

more than anything else, as opposed to dividing us with our opinions depending on what our favorite candidate thought.

[LWolf]

110. It's only a distraction

if you are limited enough to believe that the only thing that will "save" us is electing a Democrat to the WH in November.

Our Constitution, and the rule of law, and the duties of our corrupt politicians, are more important in the short and long run than any particular election or candidate.

[annabanana]

111. .