Obama VP short list per an MSNBC report on DC "chatter"

[papau]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/10/1127710.aspx

Seems Ret. Gen. James Jones (of the Chevron board, Health industry, Chamber of Commerce, but with "Iraq" cred) and Joe Biden and Ted Strickland are leading a list that includes - "officially" - (and not in any order): Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, John Edwards, Evan Bayh, Kathleen Sebelius, Mark Warner, Tim Kaine, Jim Webb, Bill Nelson, Jack Reed, Chris Dodd, Tom Daschle, and Sam Nunn.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080610/ap_on_el_pr/obama_veepstakes

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As an aside, prior word from the campaign via chatter was that Obama wants a male VP.

But of course this is only "chatter", although MSNBC implies if a name is not on this list it is because the Obama campaign shot it down.

[DS1]

1. Daschle? He's McAuliffe's slightly saner brother!

[LisaM]

6. Not to mention that he's married to the airline lobby

and is practically considered a de facto lobbyist himself.

[LisaM]

8. Out of this list (other than Hillary)

Evan Bayh looks the best to me. I am very opposed to Sebelius and Webb.

[gmudem]

14. Bayh would be a godawful choice

No personality and is the definiton of milquetoast. If Obama is going to pick a Clinton supporter, it should be Clark or Strickland. Webb would be an infinitely better choice than Bayh.

[LisaM]

20. Well, mabe in your eyes. I like Evan Bayh

and I don't really like Jim Webb (other than an improvement on George Allen and an advocate for leaving Iraq). Look up Webb's remarks on Tailhook.

[gmudem]

32. What would Bayh bring to the ticket?

I doubt he would carry Indiana. He is DLC through and through and therefore has nothing to do with Obama's message of real change in Washington.

Jim Webb made some sexist comments nearly 30 years ago. Since then he has more then made up for it. He did quite well with women in his Senate race in which his comments about women became an issue.

That said I am leaning towards Brian Schweitzer right now, and Bayh is an awful choice in every way.

[LisaM]

36. I think he would deliver Indiana (just my opinion)

and he has been in elected office for more than 20 years. He comes from a family with a lot of teachers. He is more liberal than his associations would suggest, and, because he was a supporter of Hillary, I think he would bring in some Hillary voters. I do think he has a mixed record on abortion, but franky, so does Webb (don't know about Schweitzer). Bayh's votes on Supreme Court Justices are good, though, and at this point, that is where worries about abortion rights reside.

Choosing him would also give a nod to a shared Democratic past.

[blm]

12. You're wrong. Daschle, Durbin and Kerry are the trinity who helped set Obama up nationally

with a network of Democrats ready to face down the Clinton 'machine' and they did it long before media or the Dem punditry even noticed.

Plouffe is Daschle's man and Obama knows exactly who has guided him to where he is today.

[NewJeffCT]

2. No Wesley Clark, I see

but, Strickland could be good because he was a Clinton supporter (I think) and is from Ohio.

[Zynx]

3. They say Bayh. I say why?

[Buzz Clik]

21. Delivering Indiana?

[ellenfl]

4. i think a male veep makes more sense.

it is going to be hard for some people to vote for the first african-american prez AND female veep. i think that is too much to ask of many who have not gotten out of the 50s yet.

i was going to say 'not bill nelson' but that would get him out of florida! imho, he is a dino in many ways. besides, he's too old. he would not be able to run for prez in 8 years . . . but hillary could. perhaps that is the plan. put an old guy in to offset obama's youth and allow hillary to run again.

ellen fl

[Max_powers94]

5. NO to: Ret. Gen. James Jones Tom Daschle Hillary Clinton, John Kerry

[EOTE]

7. Didn't Edwards already say he wouldn't consider VP?

I'd love to see him as VP, but isn't it kind of silly including him on a short list if he already said he wouldn't do it?

[SharonRB]

16. That's my understanding as well

And I think we can scratch off Kerry. I just don't see him running for VP.

[Mass]

9. Kerry is running for reelection, so I doubt he is on the list. Many names here I would prefer not to

see: Jones, Clinton, Edwards, Webb, and Nunn.

I like Biden and Dodd and could see Bayh (though he is way to conservative for me) or Sebelius, though somebody like Patty Murray would be more my taste for a woman.

[Mz Pip]

10. No to Kerry

Daschle.

Biden, Webb and Nunn would be okay. Obama needs some foreign policy credential on the ticket. It matters not that he will have a whole team of foreign policy wonks in his administration; he needs one up front.

[blm]

18. Didn't figure you as a more conservative Dem.

Kerry's not going to be on the ticket as he wants to do senate investigations into BushInc's dealings, but I do find it odd so many so-called Dem activists still let the media tell them who is of value and who isn't.

Top lawmaker against government corruption than any other lawmaker in modern history and those of you who think you're fit to judge his worth to this country are......serious slaves to corpmedia and its power to lie and distort.

[Mz Pip]

26. Not me personally

but I am pretty realistic about what it will take to beat McCain. He'll be playing up the national security issues because he really doesn't have anything else to run on. He's wrong on all of it, but he'll have the backing of the 527s to convince the disengaged portion of the electorate he's right.

It's just my opinion which has little to do with what the media says. I don't think I'm a slave to anyone.

I don't dislike Kerry and value his service to the senate but I do think he ran a crummy campaign. We can debate whether or not the election was stolen but IMHO it shouldn't have even been close.

[blm]

31. No one KNOWS McCain, his weaknesses, his triggerpoints more than Kerry. Read McCain's book.

That said, he is not going to be on the ticket for SENATE REASONS. Investigations MUST be made with an HONEST and cooperative Dem president this time. Clinton sided with protecting Poppy Bush.

Kerry also ran a far better campaign than Bush did, and had the DNC done its job and secured the election process and strengthened party infrastructure in states left to collapse since mid90s, Kerry would be president today WITH the campaign he ran.

The RNC stole that election every day in the four years before election day, and McAuliffe's DNC let them.

Kerry won every matchup he had with Bush. DNC rolled over on every matchup they had with RNC, and the left media was still a nonentity in 2004 as the RW message machine left the left media no oxygen.

Add the fact that the last Dem president spent his entire book tour that summer supporting Bush publicly and repeatedly defended his decisions on terrorism and Iraq war that our nominee at the time was attacking.

WHEN did that ever happen in the history of elections that you can recall?

BTW - Obama is succeeding WITH the national political network that Kerry had in place - the big difference is the absence of the Clinton loyalists who were the biggest incomepetent flies in the ointment for our Dem party - as many Dems are just now beginning to realize. And THOSE were the idiots who were able to place all blame first on Gore after 2000 and then on Kerry after 2004, getting Dem rank and file to believe that THEY were the only politocos capable of winning.

Well, Kerry did better with his own team than when the Clintonites came on for the general. And Obama has been benefitting from that national team that ended up facing down the Clinton team, hasn't he?

[Median Democrat]

11. Rock, Paper Scissors With McCain's Choice?

For example, if McCain chooses Condi Rice, then the pressure may be on Obama to also choose a woman VP such as Hillary Clinton or Kathleen Sebelius.

Conversely, if McCain chooses someone like Huckabee, then perhaps Obama chooses someone like Jim Webb, whose military experience and credentials as a form Secretary of the Navy will draw a contrast with McCain.

The one surprise from the last is that Clark is not listed.

Personally, I think that Obama should aim for someone who is experienced and knowledgeable, but who is also not a person who wants to grab headlines. In other words, a person who has a good pramatic skills regarding the implementation of policy.

[gabeana]

13. Suprised by not seeing Richardson name on the list

mabye having a Black and Latino tickets is too much for the United States right now

[SharonRB]

17. I'd like to see him on the list

[Blue Belle]

25. Me too...

Richardson has a vast political background, it would also draw the latino vote. If it were up to me, I'd pick Richardson or Edwards.

[dysfunctional press]

19. ditto wesley clark- conspicuous by his absence.

[underpants]

30. Richardson may want the job at State

which would explain why Biden might be considered.

[bdamomma]

15. oh my goodness my Senator of Rhode Island is on there.

all speculation and assumptions I want to hear it first.

Joe Biden, oh my goodness. No Wesley Clark though.

[ima_sinnic]

22. what happened to Schweitzer? and Bill Nelson???!!! and NO to Clinton!

Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, and maybe Jim Webb would be all right. Fucking Nelson is a stinking DINO, as is Clinton. I am disappointed in how conservative and "establishment" just about all of these are. I thought Obama would be more creative than to pick the same old has-beens.

[blm]

23. This list is a distraction - don't buy a word of it. Johnson DOESN'T LEAK.

.

[seafan]

43. I agree. Obama said this would not be decided in the press.

(Obama) told reporters that he is going to do it right, and not in the press. "The next time you hear from me about the vice presidential selection process will be when I have selected a vice president," he said.

[blm]

45. Dem activists need to know the players better - if they did the corpmedia wouldn't be as powerful

as they let them.

[LTR]

24. Trial balloons

Some of these names have just been thrown out there to see what kind of reaction they'd get.

[mmonk]

27. Biden and Dodd are worthwhile.

[AngryAmish]

35. I would not go with Biden (D-MBNA)

He would shoot his mouth off about something stupid and sink the ticket. Plus he is corrupt.

[hootinholler]

38. Yeah, Although he has great foriegn policy experience...

I will never forgive him leading the charge on the bankruptcy fiasco.

-Hoot

[mmonk]

44. Yes, from a foreign policy standpoint, he is good.

[LTR]

28. Interesting list

I see the logic about choosing a male VP. I kinda figured that he doesn't want to rock the boat too much. Not being sexist here, but perhaps people are afraid of too much change at once.

Here's how I predict they'll classify them:

Strongest possibilities:

Joe Biden
Chris Dodd
Ted Strickland
Mark Warner
Tim Kaine
Jim Webb
Jack Reed



Longshots:

Tom Daschle (loyal guy, but he'll get a cabinet post instead)
John Edwards (will more likely be in cabinet)
Kathleen Sebelius
Sam Nunn (see Daschle)


No chance:

Evan Bayh (bad chemistry, I would imagine)
Hillary Clinton (too much drama)
James Jones (just a crazy name they threw out there)
John Kerry (looking for a fresher face)
Bill Nelson (Probably bad chemistry there)

[Bok_Tukalo]

34. Not so crazy

His Bio

http://www.jhuapl.edu/POW/bios/jones.htm

[Submariner]

29. Dave Chappelle?

He's already played one on TV.

[Mojambo]

33. No Schweitzer. Disappointing if true. n/t

[truebrit71]

37. I suspect "None of the above" will be the ultimate choice from this list...

...

[VP505]

39. How the hell did Bill Nelson

get on that list? Obama isn't THAT desperate, is he?

[mod mom]

40. Ted Strickland has little foreign policy and no military experience. I think it would look like

pandering to win Ohio. He has an easy race (up against the revolting Ken Blackwell) and isn't exactly a fighter that one expects in a VP.

Call me silly, but I still can't get that bobbling head out of my mind (endless loops behind Hillary).

[mitchtv]

41. No to Nunn and Daschle

One's a homophobe the other a weakling. A Nunn VP is a deal breaker

[blm]

46. Daschle wasn't weak - he was undermined by a more powerful Dem president who 'advised' DC Dems

constantly and just happened to be carrying BushInc's war agenda water at the time.

Daschle, Durbin and Kerry have been key players in wrestling control of the party away from the Clinton machine since 2005. Obama's campaign was built early on by their efforts. And they prevailed, didn't they?

[mnhtnbb]

42. If that's a short list, what constitutes a long one?