"This isn't the right time for Kucinich to be doing that."

[Smith_3]

I have read that sentence a few times now.

I ask: When is it ever a "good time" ?

Every election we hear it: This isn't the right time for progressives. This isn't the right time for green parties. This one is too important. We cannot allow distraction from the non-centrist left at this time. We cannot allow Kucinichs idealism to be a burden to Obama at this time. And as everyone knows: Bush is Nader's fault.

It puts me in mind of the right wingers excuses like "this isn't the right time for a black president". "I don't think America is ready for a woman".

If the Democratic Party is so afraid of progressive activists stealing the show, or spoiling "their" perfectly good victory, then why haven't they pushed for election reform during the Clinton years and given "them activists" the option of running as independents without it being a "distraction" to their agenda? What are they afraid of? What do they have to loose if we have three or four parties?

Maybe they just want to keep the progressives where they can see them. But give them some credit for what they are doing, Lord forbid.

[Individualist]

1. That's one of DLC's talking points

[MonkeyFunk]

4. really?

The DLC has issued talking points on this? Any evidence?

Or do you just ascribe any idea you disagree with to "the DLC"?

[truedelphi]

18. And we are getting pretty damn tired of listening to them. n/t

[berni_mccoy]

2. It's Now or Never.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. It's time

it is always time to speak the TRUTH.

[Pierre.Suave]

5. Those people are afraid of losing their power

or position. because they know if they let Kucinich go, they are done for. If they let the progressives go, they are done for.

They like to keep us boxed and under control so they don't lose their power.

it is really that simple.

[DainBramaged]

6. He should have done it in 2006 the minute we took control

[Breeze54]

14. He did in January 2007!! So did Shirley Chisholm! She did it as her last act in Congress and 1st!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[DainBramaged]

16. Oh, then why is he doing it again???

Didn't get the attention he wanted? Decided he had nothing to lose doing it with so very little time left in Booshe's failed misAdministration? Thinks Nancy and Harry will back him?

Not

[bean fidhleir]

22. "Thinks Nancy and Harry will back him?" What, you think that's to HIS discredit??

Why aren't you getting on THEIR cases?

[DainBramaged]

30. I HAVE, SEARCH MY POSTS AND THREADS

They are two of my LEAST favorite politicians because they are so ineffective. Oh wait you can't, you don't have a star, so sad.

[bean fidhleir]

40. So what are you ragging on HIM for, then? Here's a guy who's doing the right thing in the best way

he can, and you rag on HIM? He doesn't have the power to make it happen because too many of his "colleagues" are scum who sell us down the river every chance they get, and what HE does isn't good enough for you? That's pretty disgusting. Why don't you focus your attention on the ones thwarting him and selling us out instead of badmouthing the guy who's doing what he can?

[Name removed]

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[DainBramaged]

29. Bullshit, I'm not the one who is ignorant

[MzNov]

25. Because he read the U.S. Constitution?

and he's a true patriotic American who doesn't want the country to fall even further into chaos and destruction from a miserable tyrant and his minons?

oh, right. he was just bored and needed attention. :sarcasm:

I see in your profile you are tired of "faux" democrats. Wow. How much do the repukes pay you?

[lildreamer316]

26. BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. n/t

[Benhurst]

7. But ... but ...

impeachment is supposed to be off the table.

[Kierkegaard]

9. Technically, it isn't on the table yet.

It's still in the refrigerator, getting that nasty green moldy gunk all over it. Fortunately, it's a dish best served cold.

[laststeamtrain]

8. It's ALWAYS time to do your job. Especially if there are oaths involved.

What are anti-impeachment whiners talking about?

It's not an option, it's a duty.

[Fovea]

10. Now is a good time

to suggest that the ninnies leave the tent.

The eternally lurching rightward third way followed by the new Amerikan Century has lead us onto the rocks. America, the Reagan version is broken, beyond repair.

Now is the right time for those who worship the past to become part of it.

The wave that is rising in America is bigger than the DLC, The Blue Dogs, and the concern trolls in the party. It is the progressive wave, and those who want to create a better future are riding it.

The rest are going to be under it. They want to build more beach cabanas while the tsunami looms over the US. Soon, there will be no center where the old center stood.

[DainBramaged]

12. Right, and the fights between the Hillary/Obama supporters

were nothing to be concerned about? We aren't progressive,, we're no better than the chumps who refuse to vote because "they're all the same, why bother" and it keeps them from having to do jury duty.

Progressive has a completely different meaning than what you imply, and the LAST Progressive politician in Washington was Paul Wellstone, all the rest are only worried about the next election. Too many people on DU think that because they post on DU, they are 'Progressives'.

[Fovea]

32. Sorry

most of that does not parse, is either wrong headed, or must have been based on some other post.

But regarding Hillary and her sink-bearers.

I think big Bill Shaxper said it best--

"A poor player who struts and frets his (her) hour on the stage, and then is heard no more. It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Come November you may feel pretty foolish over your concerns. Because by November after a summer of $5 gas heading into a ruinously expensive heating season with $6 gas and a deepening recession, the last thing Americans will be worrying about is if Obama has the feminist vote.

Progressive, as defined in the post Bull-Moose Party era, is what the Old Europeans refer to as Social Democracy. It has been their dominant philosophy since the days of Conrad Adenauer. It involves providing for the necessities of life without prejudice and a level playing field for all based on merit. It requires a committed and informed electorate.

It is pretty much the opposite of Militant Plutocratic Corporatism, our current governing paradigm.

Progressives believe in the social contract and in a well regulated market.
Try reading the works of Emile Durkheim if you need further clarification.

Yeah, I think I know what progressive means.

[DainBramaged]

35. Well your model isn't representative of the DU membership

not by a long stretch. Ego, agendas and just plain ignorance have replaced real thinking people not only in Washington but on our boards.

[Fovea]

37. This is a year of change, and the old paradigm is collapsing

The egoism of safe incumbency is deflating like the Wide Stance Party's war chest.

HRC is going to have a serious time getting re-elected in NY. The endgame of her candidacy was the endgame of the centrist hold on the Democratic Party.

Our board, by reason of its success and real influence, has become a bit of a noise machine, reflecting the uncritical rage of the rank and file Dem. This affruent chaff is very hard to squelch, but that is why I pay close attention to bloggers whose probity I respect.

H20Man, Babylon Sister, Omaha Steve, and many others still produce information and useful framing with brilliant and effective wit. I occasionally have put the random poo flinger on ignore. It does help.

Look ahead, Dain. We are entering the long emergency, and forces of inexorable power are going to change how we look at the world. We are in the twilight of the industrial age as we have come to know it. It will become more like our great grandparents knew it.

Politics will reflect this dire situation honestly, or plunge us into a delusional maelstrom. That is what is at stake, IMO.

[Breeze54]

11. Well said and Thank You!!!! ---- It's amazing isn't it?

What is really funny (in a peculiar way) is that Democratic Underground IS a PROGRESSIVE Messageboard!!! :silly:

Maybe the naysayers took a wrong turn somewhere? :shrug:

:kick: & Recommended

[mmonk]

13. Some are willing to follow those that do nothing.

It's how freedom is lost.

[lynnertic]

21. Right but understand, you don't have to work so hard to keep up

[helderheid]

15. If we want to avoid war with Iran, IT'S TIME.

[pacalo]

36. That line would make a great signature statement.

[NRaleighLiberal]

17. MSM didn't report it because they are both embarassed (the ones with heart) or silenced (corp. owner

ship). Those who think that it is not time for impeachment are those who always like to say "move along - we need to look forward instead of backward". It is the same people who refuse to learn from mistakes, acknowledge crimes and mistakes....the perps are still in power, and Bush v3 is trying to become president, so IT IS INDEED time for impeachment! That, and the fact that even most of the Dems (Pelosi, Reid, etc) are just professional politicians more concerned with reelection than actually doing anything useful.

[lynnertic]

19. The last time DK announced he would do that was on the anniversary

of the day the story broke about Bill and Monica's romance, Impeachment Day. That would have been a good day to do it.

But something happened and he didn't.

[smiley_glad_hands]

20. I'm glad he is doing it, but it is too late. Stay focused on Nov.

We can use this to keep the bushies on the defensive and it also serves as a historical record, but impeachment at this point is political suicide.

[rhett o rick]

33. Please see my post below. Link in the message.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3421165&mesg_id=3423420

[smiley_glad_hands]

34. At this point, I just want to win in Nov. and let the prosecutors have at it then. eom

[rhett o rick]

38. I am ok with that. nm

[central scrutinizer]

24. I can't find that clause in the Constitution, either

There are no caveats on defending and upholding the Constitution. Kucinich is merely living up to the oath he took when he became a Congressman.

[rhett o rick]

27. It's the spineless Democrats that are afraid to support impeachment.

Just like the spineless Democrats that supported the IWAR and ANYTHING Bush proposed. They are afraid to put their jobs on the line to stand up for the Constitution, the rule of law, the right thing. They are hiding under their desks hoping this Bush thing will just blow over. Our form of government has become a piece of schite. We elect representatives to do the right thing, some times in spite of what the public might want on the short term. But today these representatives have such lucrative jobs they are afraid to do the right thing. They are afraid to go against their corp sponsors. They will allow a president to literally kill millions and put our country into bankruptcy just to save their piece of the pie. Our form of government has failed us and millions of Iraqi's.

[rhett o rick]

28. If we don't punish these war criminals it will be our biggest mistake in history.

I don't care if they are impeached IF they get tried for war crimes or murder. I don't care if it puts the November election in jeopardy. If we let them off, a win in November will be meaningless. They will be back. If impeachment loses the election for the Democrats, then so be it. Drag out the guillotines and let's get it on. (Note for NSA: this is meant to be allegorical and not intended to instigate violence against this flippin out of control government. Just sayin').

[Desertrose]

31. I agree completely.

We can't afford to ignore what has been done in the name of the Pres and for "security".


We just can't let it go without some sort of comment...impeachment would be the icing on the cake but what this administration has done cannot be ignored.

[wileedog]

39. A war with Iran is not worth it

You want to tell thousands of soldiers families their sons or daughters died so we could give George Bush a slap on the wrist?

And don't kid yourself, whatever the outcome of impeachment he is not going to jail. They don't send Presidents to jail. So whatever happens you are looking at what will be a slap on the wrist and a pardon.

Again, is that really worth President McCain?

[OneBlueSky]

41. it's wa-a-a-a-a-y past the right time to be doing this . . .

and if it isn't done now, it never will be . . . and if he's not impeached, that means he gets away with all of the BushCo crimes he and his cronies have committed . . .

no, it isn't the right time . . . but it's the ONLY time . . .

[robinlynne]

42. It has been the "wrong" time for years and years! Yes, let's sweep all these

treasonous crimes under the rug in the name of "unity"....