Kucinich's Articles of Impeachment; Self Aggrandizing Stunt or Noble Stand?

[bryant69]

What do you think; the guy just ran for President, didn't get very far. Perhaps he wants to get back into the limelight?

Bryant
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[Cessna Invesco Palin]

1. None of the above.

Fund-raising stunt for his reelection campaign.

[mikelgb]

5. do you just love to piss all over Kucinich threads or what?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

10. Meh.

I just get annoyed with the fawning all over Kucinich when there are so many others (I've mentioned Barney Frank and Bernie Sanders repeatedly today) who have done far, far more to improve the institution of the House and get good legislation passed.

This graphic is a good representation of what annoys me about Kucinich and his supporters:



It's the insane divorced-from-reality grandiosity with which he and *some* of his supporters surround themselves. As far as I'm concerned he's a relatively harmless version of Lyndon LaRouche.

[Richardo]

12. ...a relatively harmless version of Lyndon LaRouche.

I don't necessarily agree with that, but it's a hilarious line. :rofl:

[cyclezealot]

17. For many of us

If it were not for the likes of Dennis Kucinichs , Barbara Lees , or Pete Stark , we'd been gone long ago. There would be no progressive caucus without Dennis Kucinch. Then for sure, the DLC and the blue dogs would rule unchallenged.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

23. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

There would be no progressive caucus without Dennis Kucinch.

Yes there would. That is an absolutely ridiculous statement. And I find it especially entertaining in light of the fact that I've been citing Bernie Sanders, one of the founders of the Progressive Caucus, as an example of how one can be a progressive in the House without making an absolute buffoon of one's self.

[cyclezealot]

27. Kucinich was the organizer who advocated and started the Progressive Caucus.

Also instrumental in organizing the PDA. Yes, some other Democrats meet up to Kucinich's standards. / But, its not our fault , we find fault with Obama's & Hillary's healthcare, trade , and Foreign policy rhetoric.With Obama's AIPAC rhetoric, we'll do our best to overlook our differences with that statement. let alone Obama's call for increased Military spending. / We are with them because we have no better option. / If not for those whose bravery steer the Democratic party in the right direction, we'd not be Democrats. its that simple. But, since there are some with the bravery it takes to not do the lobbyists bidding, we stay hopeful our Democratic affiliation is not in vain. / I do my best to discourage my wife from voting for Nader. But, its not easy. / So you should appreciate the likes of Kucinich. Something like 3-5% of the American electorate would not vote Democrat if not for the likes of Kucinich. That in close elections, might be enough to make the difference.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

28. What the FUCK are you talking about?

Bernie Sanders founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus. In 1991. FIVE YEARS BEFORE KUCINICH WAS ELECTED.

[cyclezealot]

29. Your right.

Kucinich was chair about the time of the Iraq war start up, it seems. Paul Wellstone and Bernie Sanders were leading forces in the creation of the Progressive. Caucus. Kucinich and Dean were pretty instrumental in the start up of the Progressive Democrats. / The reason so many Progressives remain so loyal to Kucinich. It was he who pretty much got the Minority Democrats in the HOuse to say no to Bush's war , when way too many Democrats were cowering to Bush's lies.Was not Kucinich chair of the Progressive Caucus when Bush was pushing his war in 2002. // Even Rep. Jim McDermott the Dr from Washington State has since cowered to the power of the medical lobby, when once he stood with the likes of John Conyers.

[cyclezealot]

31. Why some of us are cynical.

The war and economy might just be carried on by the next president. Regardless of party. So says the Guradian piece, just posted by another DU member. Say it ain't so.'

$$
The toxic Texan's foreign policy doctrine will endureAmerican presidential elections are reliable occasions for political futurology. This year's has yielded at least one prediction on which Democrats and Republicans can concur and which European liberals anticipate is true: Bush will soon be gone and change is the order of the day.

**

Whether it goes unmentioned or re-branded, the war on terror will not end. The substantive differences between McCain and Obama, thus far, are not about whether to continue the war, but how to prosecute it better
**
True, an Obama presidency would probably see more troops withdrawn more rapidly from Iraq. True, also, Obama evidently places more faith in negotiations with America's enemies without preconditions. But his avowed purpose in an Iraq withdrawal is to redeploy those forces - outside Iraq, in Afghanistan and to wage war on al-Qaida in Pakistan's borders if Islamabad refuses so to do. Even if it represents a shrewdly cynical campaign ploy rather than a genuine strategic commitment to "hard power", Obama's liberal credentials are nonetheless married to a refusal to be "soft" on terror.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/10/georgebush.usforeignpolicy

[DainBramaged]

11. Why should we care about Kookoo?

First, this takes the spotlight off of McSame and a whole lot of important legislation being debated. Second, this is DU, not FreeRepublic, we have the RIGHT to disagree or as you put it 'piss all over Kookoo's threads'!

[DainBramaged]

9. Good point

[mikelgb]

2. 1,2,7

[madokie]

3. none of the above

[babylonsister]

4. Your logic is flawed because he's been talking about this for years,

trying to get people interested.

[bryant69]

20. I'm mostly just asking the question

And even if he has been talking about it for years there's still the question of timing.

Bryant

[babylonsister]

21. I hate to say this, but judging from the empty chamber,

maybe it was the only time he could get to do his thing. I honestly don't know.

[Sperk]

6. it's called.....doing your job! Wish the rest of congress would earn

their pay. complicit in war crimes....that's what most of them are!!!!!!!!!!

[Zorra]

7. Other:

It's his job.

[dchill]

8. My guess is that he's actually READ the Constitution...

that he carries in his pocket. We should ALL try it. Like, regularly.

[jobycom]

13. You left off "Pretty standard politics."

No doubt Kucinich is sincere. He has been an aggressive opponent of Bush's from the beginning. I have no doubt he wants Bush impeached and is frustrated that it hasn't happened. At the same time, he knows it makes him more loved on the blogs and amongst the core of his presidential bid supporters, and he doesn't dislike the attention. And he knows it will amount to nothing.

And he knows it has no more chance of succeeding than any of the other similar articles opened over the years. Henry B Gonzales did this to Reagan and Bush, for instance.

It sums up what I love about DK and why I never support him for president. He is true, but he's not effective, and doesn't even try to be. He's more about making a statement than about accomplishing anything--or maybe he just doesn't know how to accomplish anything. I love him for trying, but I don't vote based on who I love.

[bryant69]

16. I largely agree, although this opinion appears to be heretical around here. n/t

[jobycom]

22. Less than you'd think. Most people just don't want to bother with being screamed at.

Kucinich engenders strong emotions in some. Understandably. He takes strong positions.

[spanone]

14. doesn't matter

every politician is a huge self-promoter some do it cause it's the law

[AndyA]

15. Kucinich is one of the biggest men in Washington, D.C.

He consistently leads on protecting the Constitution. We need more like him. He has my respect.

[EFerrari]

18. If this is a stunt, we need more stunt people in Congress.

:)

[wtmusic]

19. There you go.

It was the right thing to do, whether or not that's why he did it.

[mmonk]

24. So, trying to stop crimes against the people is self aggrandizing?

Interesting twist. I guess tyranny is the moral choice these days.

[LanternWaste]

25. I'd rather have an ineffectual hero than an effective politician.

I'd rather have an ineffectual hero than an effective politician. But that's just me.

I wonder if anyone has any evidence that he's doing it for mere self aggrandizement, or to raise money for a re-election, or even just to get back into the limelight. Though I doubt anyone does, it is a rather nice bit of bumper-sticker cynicism to put on a t-shirt...

[cyclezealot]

30. With his loyal base.

Last time I checked the FEC, his followers came through in a pinch. . In a couple months time, we came through with almost a million bucks. Almost all from small donors.Lobbyists, a very small percent of his donor base. No, Kucinich need not stage such as event for donors. I think we will come through no matter what.

[Iggo]

26. Other: Both.

That's our Dennis...lol.