This is the first good news I've seen on DU in a long, long time

[Hydra]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3422182

It's a poll for/against impeachment, and so far it's 126 for, 3 votes against.

DU has come a LONG way since Jan 2007 when Pelosi declared that impeachment was off the table. Nearly half the people here supported the argument that Impeachment would take too much time and effort away from "important business" at that time.

I would like to thank all of the people who have banged the pots and pans against Pelosi and Reid's calculation/possible treason over the years for us to reach this point, because as we well know, getting us to agree on ANYTHING is tough.

With 60% in favor of impeachment in the normal polls, this may get traction after all.

Keep up the fight!

[Cant trust em]

1. I was more in favor of impeachment then than I am now.

How long would impeachment take if with all of the hearings and everything needed to go into it?

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. If nixon and clinton are a model, NOT LONG AT ALL

[Hydra]

5. Truly, it would have been better to have been done in 2007

But realistically, most of the evidence is already gathered except the stuff Cheney is blocking.

The hearings could be over in three months, because Bushco can't really say much in their defense or present much evidence in rebuttal that they haven't already.

[madokie]

31. To me it wouldn't matter if it was started on jan. 19 '09

Its just something that needs to be done otherwise we've truly lost our Democracy

[Swamp Rat]

2. IMPEACH!

[Hydra]

8. Keep posting your bumper sticker!

If we can impeach for a blowjob, we can impeach for treason! :evilgrin:

[Swamp Rat]

9. More than happy to.

:)

[Breeze54]

12. lmao!

:P

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

See my avatar image! ;)

[MzNov]

27. I think that's Article XXXVI

:hug:

[MzNov]

26. Aw geez, you made me blush

:rofl:

[MrCoffee]

4. The poll asks whether Bush deserves to be impeached.

Not whether the latest Articles from Kucinich are a good idea.

[Hydra]

7. I'm simply looking at support for impeachment

Because not 2 years ago, instead of that number being nearly all of us, it was roughly half and half.

[LSparkle]

6. Anybody who can listen to Dennis Kucinich's 35 charges and still NOT be

is an IDIOT. He's wrapped it up so succinctly that it makes
me feel uncomfortable that we're NOT moving forward on this.

[jobycom]

10. The poll argues exactly the opposite of what you just said.

It's not for or against impeachment, it's whether Bush deserves it.

No one back in January of 07 believed that Bush didn't deserve impeachment. The question was simply whether people believed we should launch a symbolic impeachment attempt at Bush, knowing it would fail, just to stroke our own egos. A lot of people back then said no, a lot still would.

There were DU polls back then showing the same thing as this one today. Almost all of us believe Bush should be impeached.

[Hydra]

14. I was there when it happened

And the poll is phrased as it was in 2007:

Regardless of Whether It Succeeds or Not, Do You Believe Bush Deserves to Be Impeached?

And the numbers hovered around 55/45

As you say, we all believed he SHOULD be, but many argued against it for tactical reasons.

Regardless of Whether It Succeeds or Not

[jobycom]

16. So was I.

And I remember almost unanimity that he deserved to be impeached, and a big split on whether Congress should try. Which is what you seem to be saying in your last line, but not the line above it. I remember quite a few polls on the subject, not just one, and all with some variation: should he be impeached, should he be impeached if we knew it would fail, did his crimes meet the threshold of impeachment...

I argued against it, sort of, for tactical reasons then as now. And then as now, I voted that he deserved to be impeached whenever that was an option. I say "sort of" because I was all in favor for impeachment if we made a serious effort to gather evidence and try to impeach him, even if it failed, but I was against simply airing a laundry list of reasons with a legal case that could actually stand, and I was, and always will be, morally opposed to what some proposed--a political trail without regard to evidence or exact charges.

It was a complicated question with a wide range of opinions, then and now. Opinions haven't changed much.

[JeanGrey]

11. It isn't going to happen. They don't have the votes and they

aren't going to start this close to the election.

[Breeze54]

13. That's not the point. It's now ON RECORD.... bush et al should be tried for murder.

Now we have the facts and the long list of crimes, thanks to Kucinich and Shirley Chisholm!

[JeanGrey]

29. What else is new? It isn't going to happen, nobody cares.

Look at Olerbmann's show - crickets.

[Deliphus]

15. Not enough votes to stop the war...

...so you KNOW they won't have enough for an impeachment. Let's get real here.

I say: wait until after the election, when we have Barack and a more Democratic Congress. From what I understand, it can be done. They don't have to be in office.

[JeanGrey]

30. Of course - I was dismayed when this was brought up again,

this would kill us in the election if he we did this.

[corkhead]

17. We've successfully chased all the sensible and prudent people away

:evilgrin: :rofl:

[truedelphi]

18. I hope your finger's not pointed in MY direction

IT's the others on DU, not me, HONEST!

[Hydra]

19. Amen to that!!!

Without insane courage, how could we ever make progress?

:evilgrin:

[TheWraith]

20. I think you may be confusing two different questions.

That poll is on whether Bush deserves to be impeached. The other question is whether it's practical to impeach Bush. To be blunt, he certainly deserves it, but it's not going to happen. Even if we could push it through the House, I guarantee you there are 34 rabid Republicans who'd defend Bush to the death in the Senate.

[dweller]

28. now that's a sideshow

i would enjoy watching... "34 rabid Republicans who'd defend Bush to the death in the Senate"


they'd be taken apart, tarred and feathered, and sent in four crosswised ways before it was over.
It would spell 'end of political career' in dangled, mangled mincemeat. Forget being a toady when the iron gets hot, those guys would be in it FOR THEMSELVES only. Opportunists, one and all.

i'd doubt not one would gamble their position on the anchor w/ the *moron going down.
dp

[pnwmom]

21. The problem with the question asked is that it can be read in two different ways.

"Regardless of whether it succeeds or not, do you believe Bush deserves to be impeached?"

could mean:

Putting aside the issue of whether we have enough votes for a conviction, do you believe Bush deserves to be impeached?

Or it could mean,

Do you think Bush deserves to be impeached, and should be impeached, even if there is no chance that he could be convicted in the Senate?

So it's impossible to tell what individual people meant when they said yes. If the first meaning is the intended one, I'm not surprised the vast majority of DUers voted yes.

[pacalo]

22. Too late for a bandaid for this boil on the butt of humanity -- it needs some serious surgery.

An impeach-ectomy -- stat!

[eallen]

23. No, actually, the question it asks is whether Bush deserves to be impeached.

There no doubt are those who believe that Bush deserves impeachment, but that impeachment nonetheless would be unwise. The first doesn't imply the second. Given the way the question is phrased, I'm a bit disappointed that as many as five people answered it "no."

:hippie:

[Donald Ian Rankin]

24. Except it's not a poll for/against impeachment

It's a poll on whether Bush deserves to be impeached, which is an entirely different question.

Does Bush deserve to be impeached? Probably.

Would introducing impeachment procedings be a good idea? Absolutely not; all it would achieve would be increasing the chance of four more years of Republican rule.

So that poll tells you absolutely nothing about support for impeachment.

[Lisa0825]

25. Exactly.

I would vote yes to that poll, but I don't think it is the wise thing to do when the most important thing at this moment is to regain the Presidency.

[cali]

32. it's not going to happen, so whether or not people are pro or anti-impeachment

is irrelevant. I'd love to see bushco impeached and convicted but I know it's a fucking fantasy. It's simply not going to happen.